Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit

[TooFastTurtle]

I don't think it can be plainer

if you sin against the Holy Spirit, you commit blasphemy. is this one time? or multiple times? Bible does not say

personally, I think it would be a continual rejection of Him and attributing what He does to the devil...there are well known so called teachers of the Bible that actually do that

I don't think it means if you reject Jesus you blaspheme.

is that what Jesus said? NO. that is NOT what He said. He said if you blaspheme the Holy Spirit and attribute His works to the devil, it will not be forgiven

I am going with what Jesus said and all the twisting in the world and the re-translating in the world and all the gobble de gook that tries to swing it another way or people who cannot accept the words of Christ trying to tell others they are wrong or hounding them to try and make them say what they will not say and don't have to say, makes no difference

Jesus said what He said. I believe what He said.

people are wishy washy and don't like hard words or facts. sorry. the Bible is really all about that sort of thing

As I see it, nobody can commit the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit by accident.

I say that because there might be someone reading this right now thinking "I've done it, YIKES". Don't worry, you have not done it, how do I know? Because you are worried you might of done it that is how. A person who has done it, has absolutely no care if he or she has blasphemed the Holy Spirit, could not care less.

I know people who were cessationists and were calling tongues demonic, i've prayed with them and they spake in tongues too. A real encounter with God turned their life upside down. No more running around in bars, no more wickedness. But a conscience cleared from dead works to serve the living God. Thank you Jesus for your precious promises to those who draw near.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

As I see it, nobody can commit the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit by accident.

I say that because there might be someone reading this right now thinking "I've done it, YIKES". Don't worry, you have not done it, how do I know? Because you are worried you might of done it that is how. A person who has done it, has absolutely no care if he or she has blasphemed the Holy Spirit, could not care less.

I know people who were cessationists and were calling tongues demonic, i've prayed with them and they spake in tongues too. A real encounter with God turned their life upside down. No more running around in bars, no more wickedness. But a conscience cleared from dead works to serve the living God. Thank you Jesus for your precious promises to those who draw near.

I agree

it is obviously not an accidental occurrence but a heart disease if, allowed to continue, does end in death

blasphemy is not a rejection of Christ. if you do not know Him, how could you blaspheme? in order to blaspheme, you must depart from foundational Christianity, one of the main tenants of which, is the acceptance of and being baptized in, the Holy Spirit

as Paul states in Hebrews 6: 1-2...he lays out the foundations of our faith and then hopes to go on from there...the foundation...but so many are stuck it seems, and seem to think the ministry of the Holy Spirit comes to them through a message on Sunday morning

no man is a mediator between us and God

but so many want to resurrect the ministry of Moses...and why was Moses an intermediary? because the people were afraid and did not want God to speak to them but wanted another to communicate to them what God wanted

a foundation is something on which to build. we build our life in Christ on that foundation that we have been given

people should be able to manage their own lives but instead we see confusion and scripture mashups that people conceive to illustrate their own understanding or conception of what to base faith on and far too often a rejection of exactly who God has given us to build with

and the flip side of that one, are people believing everything is from God and they could never be deceived and it's all good

TMI most likely

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Only those who are religious and not born again blood bought believers can commit the sin of blaspheme of the Holy Spirit. Those who accuse others of this sin are closest to the edge. The indwelling Holy Spirit does not accuse other believers of this sin. You will know them by the fruit of the Holy Spirit evident in their life.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

the op asked a question

you seem desirous of taking it further along with a few others here

a little religion would do you good. it's not a dirty word. it's in the NT

 

[Guojing]

That is what you were saying not me. I am saying a true born again believer can never be brought into condemnation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

In that case, i have also stated that there is no unforgivable sin in the grace dispensation.

So we are in agreement there. So I don’t understand your first reply to me.

 

[notuptome]

the op asked a question

you seem desirous of taking it further along with a few others here

a little religion would do you good. it's not a dirty word. it's in the NT

The world goes after religion. God makes new creatures by grace through faith. Vast numbers of folks feel religion is good so they do not feel like they must sacrifice themselves and their passions for Christ.

The Holy Spirit creates conviction of sin, righteousness and judgment in the heart when the word of God is declared. Men must repent and receive Christ to the exclusion of all self. 2 Cor 5:17

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

In that case, i have also stated that there is no unforgivable sin in the grace dispensation.

So we are in agreement there. So I don’t understand your first reply to me.

Has nothing to do with dispensations. Unsaved sinners and false professors are the only folks who can blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Guojing]

Has nothing to do with dispensations. Unsaved sinners and false professors are the only folks who can blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Well I believe that Saul did commit that sin when he approved the stoning of Stephen.

 

[corazondeldei]

Once again

JESUS said THIS PARTICULAR FORM OF BLASPHEMY shall NEVER BE FORGIVEN, EVER

So you responding by sayin git is not for us to decide if God will forgive or not is not applicable

JESUS SAID NEVER,

So, is the OP right? Meaning that person has no hope of forgiveness. Or is the op wrong

The question is not about tongues or lack of tongues, the question is is he right about this so called sin (unforgivable)?

NIV1984 Romans 9:15-18
For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” It does not, therefore, depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

Do I believe the OP? Should I believe you? JUDGE for yourself. Did Jesus say that anyone who blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven? If He did then you can either say AMEN or disagree with Jesus and tell Him what you believe, your stance or your interpretation of His WORD.... "Do not add..."

It's not my words or even the OP's own words bro.

I have answered your question and gave my stance. I'll just wait for your wise view on the matter and I appreciate you not being rude to me.

Thanks and God bless.

 

[RickyZ]

Don’t we all but why have a ignore list?

Because certain people are here to sew division and strife and I don't care to deal with them any more.

 

[notuptome]

Well I believe that Saul did commit that sin when he approved the stoning of Stephen.

The same Saul who was converted on the road to Emmaus and called Paul?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Because certain people are here to sew division and strife and I don't care to deal with them any more.

Others sow division and strife by posing conflicts to create doubt and undermine scripture.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[corazondeldei]

NIV1984 Jude 1:16-19
These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.
But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

 

[Guojing]

The same Saul who was converted on the road to Emmaus and called Paul?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Yes, he was the first to be saved under the dispensation of Grace, which as I have stated, has no more unforgivable sin. He explained it here in 1 Timothy 1

12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Also in 1 Cor 10:8

And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time

God in his grace, allow the Gentiles to be included in the covenant of Abraham, and saved Paul first, as a pattern for all of us under the dispensation of Grace.

 

[corazondeldei]

Yes, he was the first to be saved under the dispensation of Grace, which as I have stated, has no more unforgivable sin. He explained it here in 1 Timothy 1

12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Also in 1 Cor 10:8

And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time

God in his grace, allow the Gentiles to be included in the covenant of Abraham, and saved Paul first, as a pattern for all of us under the dispensation of Grace.

Jesus said that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is unforgivable and your saying otherwise, who gave you the authority to do so?

 

[Guojing]

Jesus said that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is unforgivable and your saying otherwise, who gave you the authority to do so?

Interesting you are saying this so confident now when previously, you were not even willing to say this with an unequivocal yes.

Long story short, rightfully dividing the word of truth (2 Tim 2:15), into the word written to the church and the word written to the Jews (1 Cor 10:32), gave me the authority to do so

 

[notuptome]

Yes, he was the first to be saved under the dispensation of Grace, which as I have stated, has no more unforgivable sin. He explained it here in 1 Timothy 1

12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Also in 1 Cor 10:8

And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time

God in his grace, allow the Gentiles to be included in the covenant of Abraham, and saved Paul first, as a pattern for all of us under the dispensation of Grace.

Paul was not a Gentile. All men are blasphemers, persecutors and injurious before they come to Christ. We all must obtain mercy for none deserve to be saved.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Guojing]

Paul was not a Gentile. All men are blasphemers, persecutors and injurious before they come to Christ. We all must obtain mercy for none deserve to be saved.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

No one is saying he is. You don't need to be a Gentile to be saved under the dispensation of grace. This was later affirmed by Peter in the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15:11.

But Gentiles could not have been saved, before all the Jews were saved, under the dispensation of law.

 

[notuptome]

No one is saying he is. You don't need to be a Gentile to be saved under the dispensation of grace. This was later affirmed by Peter in the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15:11.

But Gentiles could not have been saved, before all the Jews were saved, under the dispensation of law.

I really don't get these absolutes that you have created in your theology. Do you believe that God did not save any Gentiles before the advent of Christ?

The law could never save. The law can only make one guilty before God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Guojing]

I really don't get these absolutes that you have created in your theology. Do you believe that God did not save any Gentiles before the advent of Christ?

The law could never save. The law can only make one guilty before God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Maybe my earlier claim was a bit too strong. God did saved some Gentiles, but only because they were blessing the Jews one way or another. Basically Gentiles could be saved before the grace dispensation, but only thru the Jews

Hebrews 11 has a long list and I think I only recall the prostitute Rahab, who was a Gentile, on that list who got saved because she exercised faith by hiding the Jewish spies that were sent by Joshua. So your theory that the law cannot save is incorrect. Many of them were saved during the law dispensation, but thru showing faith in different ways, as Heb 11 listed.

Here are some examples of that original timetable, where all the Jews must be saved, before the Gentiles can be reached, in the OT

Zechariah 8 explains
3 “Thus says the Lord: ‘I will return to Zion, And dwell in the midst of Jerusalem. Jerusalem shall be called the City of Truth, The Mountain of the Lord of hosts, The Holy Mountain.’

Later on, in the chapter in Zechariah 8:20-23 New Living Translation (NLT)
20 “This is what the Lord of Heaven’s Armies says: People from nations and cities around the world will travel to Jerusalem. 21 The people of one city will say to the people of another, ‘Come with us to Jerusalem to ask the Lord to bless us. Let’s worship the Lord of Heaven’s Armies. I’m determined to go.’ 22 Many peoples and powerful nations will come to Jerusalem to seek the Lord of Heaven’s Armies and to ask for his blessing. 23 “This is what the Lord of Heaven’s Armies says: In those days ten men from different nations and languages of the world will clutch at the sleeve of one Jew. And they will say, ‘Please let us walk with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’”

A similar prophecy was given in Micah Chapter 4 (NLT)
In the last days, the mountain of the Lord’s house will be the highest of all—the most important place on earth. It will be raised above the other hills, and people from all over the world will stream there to worship.
2 People from many nations will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of Jacob’s God. There he will teach us his ways, and we will walk in his paths.” For the Lord’s teaching will go out from Zion; his word will go out from Jerusalem.

Finally, the same prophecy was given in the book of Isaiah chapter 2:2
In the last days, the mountain of the Lord’s house will be the highest of all—the most important place on earth. It will be raised above the other hills, and people from all over the world will stream there to worship.

So, based on these 3 accounts, the timeline was supposed to be Jews are to be saved first, once they accept Jesus has the Messiah, then the Kingdom will be established in Jerusalem and the Jews will then be priests spreading that blessings to all the Gentiles.

Finally, when Jesus was on Earth, he also said this to the Samaritan woman

John 4:22 New Living Translation (NLT)
22 You Samaritans know very little about the one you worship, while we Jews know all about him, for salvation comes through the Jews.

But now, with the grace dispensation, we can be saved independent of the Jews, and that is a big deal.

 

[corazondeldei]

Interesting you are saying this so confident now when previously, you were not even willing to say this with an unequivocal yes.

Long story short, rightfully dividing the word of truth (2 Tim 2:15), into the word written to the church and the word written to the Jews (1 Cor 10:32), gave me the authority to do so

So do you admit that your understanding of scriptures REJECTS and NULLIFIES the Lord's own words and rejecting His WORD is tantamount to rejecting Him and the One who sent Him? Very dangerous stance.