Are these beliefs sufficient for salvation?
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Yes. "Lord of all creation" is also God the Word, the Creator of all creation.
Just making sure of something. That yes was to say that the beliefs I mentioned in my OP ARE sufficient for salvation, correct?
No.
9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your
mouth that you confess and are saved.
Rom 10
One can believe something in ones mind, ie as an intellectual assent, and yet it
not be true, ie. I can know a rope will hold my weight, but until I put my trust
in the rope it is still just an idea.
Repentance, fleeing evil and pursuing righteousness is not here.
Belief Jesus can change us is not here.
Confession of faith is not here.
Abiding in Christ is not here.
Obedience to Christs commands is not here.
Interestingly, there is a divide between starting the path, and staying on the path
to its final conclusion. Starting the path, salvation, does not guarantee completion.
So the seed is planted, but for it to take root and grow we need confession of faith.
No, that’s not the right question. Don’t listen to what most people say. Listen to what Jesus says.
-Whoever has His commandments and obeys Him.
-Whoever forgives things done wrong against them
-Whoever picks up his cross and follows
-Whoever loves God with all their heart, mind and soul
-Whoever seeks Him
-Whoever loves their neighbors as himself
Here’s where most people aren’t making the connection:
According to the Law you needed a blood sacrifice to redeem your sins. Christ, the Son of the Most High is such a worthy offering that it is enough to atone for all your sins. This allows MAN back in his presence TO SERVE HIM!
Man was created to serve God. Instead we decided to serve the flesh and fall from grace. The road to the cross is the road back to God to once again serve Him in this life, for rewards in the next.
You can’t be saved without the Blood of Christ, but you weren’t saved to continue to serve the flesh.
Get it?
Are you still preaching under the law dispensation, as Jesus was, during the 4 Gospels?
Get it?
The law of the Spirit and of Christ is the law of love.
It fulfils the law and sets us free from the bondage we had under the law as lawbreakers.
If one thinks we are in a dispensation of grace, then one can sin with no eternal consequences.
This is a gospel of lawlessness and ignores Pauls sharing in his letters which continues the
teaching of Christ, which he followed.
10 Love does no harm to its neighbour. Therefore love is the fulfilment of the law.
Rom 13
14 Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about
how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature.
Rom 13
No one is suggesting anything like that, but for the sake of argument, in your opinion, do you think sin can be imputed to someone who is not under law?
If your answer is yes, then what do you think of Romans 5:13?
NO - definitely not what is written and taught by Jesus and the apostles. Way, way short.
Here is a good place to start ...
37 Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”
40 And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.”
41 So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.
Acts 2:
There is a strange verse -
13 But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
Rom 5
20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Rom 1
32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Rom 1
Paul seems to be suggesting none are without Gods law in displaying Himself in nature.
God has not taken away the law, but empowered His people to rise above it in love, walking
in the Spirit.
On eternal consequences of sin, I am not talking about loss of rewards, I mean the Lord walking
away from people. So many claim to know Him, yet openly rebel against His will and His principles,
it is hard to believe they are walking in love and following Jesus.
In a strange way, reactions to situations can be very polarised, ie it is obvious what is in the Lord
and what is not. God bless you
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eternally-gratefull
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Do you just believe this, Or would you be willing to base your eternity on it?
Well, once you combine this statement by Paul with another of his proclamations in Romans 6:14, the answer seems clear to me
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace.
The argument is clear to me
Once you are under grace, you are no longer under law.
Once you are no longer under law, sin can no longer be imputed to you
Conclusion: Once believers are under grace, they can no longer be imputed with sin, and sin shall no longer have dominion over them.
Is that a logical argument to you, so far?
This wasn't a trick question.
I would like to know what beliefs are necessary to be saved... if someone could lay it out in a real simple way you would have my thanks.
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
If you truly repented and entrust your eternity to the work of Christ yes.
If you just believe it, and say a pray based on mental agreement, but have no real faith. Just a sinners prayer, No.
As you can see from all the discussion threads about faith vs works, different Christians have different conclusions on whether is it just believing only, or believing + some kind of works to show that your belief is "real", "saving" "true", "genuine" etc etc
