Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit

[7seasrekeyed]

You sound like this false prophet (John MacArthur is a professed calvinist) WHO believes (that it’s possible to be saved even after having taken the mark of the beast even though the scriptures specifies the direct opposite)...

I am beginning to see just how close to Satan, Calvinist's really are!!

while this is not the subject of the op here, I've been told by at least one hard core Calvinist in this forum that I am not saved

don't know what he's been up to lately as I have not seen him post

plenty of people willing to tell you that you are not saved if you don't kow tow to them or dare to explain that what they hold forth is not scriptural because only they have the right to know what is or is not scriptural and they cannot be wrong ever so therefore you are wrong

and of course all sarcasm and rude comments are sanctified if said by them while if you sometimes have enough of it and snap back, you are nasty and how dare you

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Baptized by one spirit, the Holy Spirit, is not salvation

that is a confused understanding of both salvation and being baptized in or filled with the Holy Spirit

people might claim they are anointed if they are saved but that is not what scripture calls the anointing

if you are not operating in the power of the Holy Spirit you are not anointed and if you do not understand that the gifts are the manifestation of the presence of the Holy Spirit inside the believer, then you certainly are not anointed

God sent the Holy Spirit and quite possibly He did it in such a way as to created this dividing wall here. I don't know but something occurs whenever the gifts are mentioned and people insisting that what the Bible says regarding tongues does not exist anymore



Gifts of the Holy Spirit
12 Brothers and sisters, I want you to know about the gifts of the Holy Spirit. 2 You know that at one time you were unbelievers. You were somehow drawn away to worship statues of gods that couldn’t even speak. 3 So I want you to know that no one who is speaking with the help of God’s Spirit says, “May Jesus be cursed.” And without the help of the Holy Spirit no one can say, “Jesus is Lord.”
4 There are different kinds of gifts. But they are all given to believers by the same Spirit. 5 There are different ways to serve. But they all come from the same Lord. 6 There are different ways the Spirit works. But the same God is working in all these ways and in all people.
7 The Holy Spirit is given to each of us in a special way. That is for the good of all. 8 To some people the Spirit gives a message of wisdom. To others the same Spirit gives a message of knowledge. 9 To others the same Spirit gives faith. To others that one Spirit gives gifts of healing. 10 To others he gives the power to do miracles. To others he gives the ability to prophesy. To others he gives the ability to tell the spirits apart. To others he gives the ability to speak in different kinds of languages they had not known before. And to still others he gives the ability to explain what was said in those languages. 11 All the gifts are produced by one and the same Spirit. He gives gifts to each person, just as he decides.
One Body but Many Parts
12 There is one body, but it has many parts. But all its many parts make up one body. It is the same with Christ. 13 We were all baptized by one Holy Spirit. And so we are formed into one body. It didn’t matter whether we were Jews or Gentiles, slaves or free people. We were all given the same Spirit to drink. 14 So the body is not made up of just one part. It has many parts.
15 Suppose the foot says, “I am not a hand. So I don’t belong to the body.” By saying this, it cannot stop being part of the body. 16 And suppose the ear says, “I am not an eye. So I don’t belong to the body.” By saying this, it cannot stop being part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, how could it hear? If the whole body were an ear, how could it smell? 18 God has placed each part in the body just as he wanted it to be. 19 If all the parts were the same, how could there be a body? 20 As it is, there are many parts. But there is only one body.
I Corinthians 12

I will believe the Bible every time and not the opinions of those who are confused or are downright hostile to the gifts

and there is no place for someone to now state I said a thing about not being saved if you are not operating in a gift

that, is part of the convoluted understanding and false claims some are exhibiting

a person cannot state there are no more gifts in operation and then go on to state they are anointed or have the gift of teaching

those things only operate through the Holy Spirit.

 

[notuptome]

The main purpose of this thread is to create the perception that anyone who dares to say that the tongues of the modern charismatic and Pentecostal movements are not driven by Gods Holy Spirit are committing the act of blaspheme of the Holy Spirit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[UnderGrace]

Because it's all feelings based. Not Scriptural, nor scientific. Almost like a drug.

Yes I would agree that whatever is happening in the brain, is something a person would want to experience again and again, it is self-soothing on some level.

 

[corazondeldei]

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not just about speaking in tongues but IMHO, whenever someone attributes the work of the Holy Spirit to demons ie: OSAS followers attributing obedience to God as an essential part of salvation taught and preached by some on another thread I visited...to demons by saying that "it is not of God".

When Jesus told His disciples to preach the Gospel unto all nations and teach them to obey His commands as written in Matthew 28:19-20, would it be right to call these people malicious and insulting names and saying that their teaching is "not of God, thereby rejecting God's and Jesus' teachings above regarding obedience and attributing them to demons.

I do not speak in tongues but just as Paul said,

NIV1984 1 Corinthians 14:5,18-22,39-40
I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified. I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue. Brothers, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. In the Law it is written: “Through men of strange tongues and through the lips of foreigners I will speak to this people, but even then they will not listen to me,” says the Lord. Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers. Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and DO NOT FORBID SPEAKING IN TONGUES. But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.

If someone was given the gift of tongues and you call it as demonic then you have blasphemed to the Holy Spirit which according to scriptures is unforgivable.

God bless us all.

 

[UnderGrace]

The main purpose of this thread is to create the perception that anyone who dares to say that the tongues of the modern charismatic and Pentecostal movements are not driven by Gods Holy Spirit are committing the act of blaspheme of the Holy Spirit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Yes I would agree that is the purpose, first though there is an initial assumption/premise that is completely subjective that "tongues" are of the Holy Spirit.

 

[RickyZ]

why is the experience of someone who posts youtube vids and says we cannot know if tongues are of God or not a valid experience and the experience of those who speak in tongues and attest to the benefits not valid?

Many here do not believe we are reliable witnesses ... and I'm going to call on them to testify to that next time I'm called for jury duty!

 

[RickyZ]

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not just about speaking in tongues but IMHO, whenever someone attributes the work of the Holy Spirit to demons ie: OSAS followers attributing obedience to God as an essential part of salvation taught and preached by some on another thread I visited...to demons by saying that "it is not of God".

When Jesus told His disciples to preach the Gospel unto all nations and teach them to obey His commands as written in Matthew 28:19-20, would it be right to call these people malicious and insulting names and saying that their teaching is "not of God, thereby rejecting God's and Jesus' teachings above regarding obedience and attributing them to demons.

I do not speak in tongues but just as Paul said,

NIV1984 1 Corinthians 14:5,18-22,39-40
I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified. I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue. Brothers, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. In the Law it is written: “Through men of strange tongues and through the lips of foreigners I will speak to this people, but even then they will not listen to me,” says the Lord. Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers. Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and DO NOT FORBID SPEAKING IN TONGUES. But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.

If someone was given the gift of tongues and you call it as demonic then you have blasphemed to the Holy Spirit which according to scriptures is unforgivable.

God bless us all.

It seems the larger part of posters here believe that, yet that option is losing in the poll. Curious.

 

[RickyZ]

What is the difference between speaking in tongues by Brigham Young and Joseph Smith and many in the Charismatic movement today?

Does a tongue defender here want to claim that Mormonism isn't demonic?
THIS, from the LDS church History website:
Speaking in Tongues

Speaking in tongues was an important aspect of Latter-day Saint spirituality. Heber C. Kimball remembered he and Brigham Young visiting a group of Mormons who spoke in tongues. Brigham and Heber were baptized shortly thereafter, and it was Brigham Young who introduced Joseph Smith to speaking in tongues. With the prophet's endorsement (including his singing in tongues), the practice spread.

It is important to recognize the connection between Joseph Smith's view of ancient languages and his views about the gift of tongues. Joseph Smith saw the "pure" language as being corrupted at the time of the Tower of Babel. A restoration of aspects of this Pure or "Adamic" language was a part of what he envisioned as part of the restoration. Certain words such as the name of God, keywords mentioned in the facsimiles of the Book of Abraham and aspects of the temple endowment ritual were tied to the Adamic tongue. Often, when one spoke in tongues, fellow Mormons thought they were speaking in the Pure or Adamic language.

Items having to do with the translation of ancient languages are not included here, except for a few references to translations of the characters from the Adamic or Pure language.

Speaking in tongues became an integral part of 19th century Mormon spirituality. Brigham Young would sometimes hold conversations with others in tongues. Perhaps because women could not exercise spirituality tied to priesthood, they readily engaged in the practice of speaking and singing in tongues, as well interpreting. Patriarchal blessings often promised the gift, sometimes in conjunction with preaching to American Indians (Lamanites). One interpretation of a song in tongues was included in a collection of revelations, and some blessings were given in tongues. After some time, caution was urged. Interpretation was to accompany the gift, and that which was said was not to be taken as doctrine.

The frequency of the gift slowed and eventually those who commonly spoke in tongues died off. Sometimes, manifestations of the gift in the 20th century were regarded with suspicion. Eventually church materials would define the gift of tongues primarily as the ability for missionaries or others to learn languages to preach the gospel.

Back to pointing out falsies....

I've never heard much of the Mormon agenda, but I believe man's singular language was lost at Babel. And that singular language will be restored when Christ returns. And that tongues today may be our ability to tap into that future restoration now.

As for the use of tongues dying off ... seems satan's plan to kill them worked (for the most part).

 

[obedienttogod]

God is the SAME yesterday - today - and every tomorrow!!
This is why I believe ALL GIFTS of the Holy Spirit are functioning.
The MOMENT any Gift stops, that means God is no longer the SAME as before.
And since God cannot change due to Him being perfect and He must keep His Word and Promise, His Gifts have not changed!!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Many here do not believe we are reliable witnesses ... and I'm going to call on them to testify to that next time I'm called for jury duty!

exactly

so not one of them has the right to post any of their so called experiences and expect us to believe them while they say we are unreliable, speak by a demon, cannot tell the difference between the Holy or the unholy spirit and basically mock

prepare yourself for alot of beating around the bush and I didn't mean it that way and you misunderstood

not only do they see through a glass darkly, but someone is using a fog machine on their glass also

the devil comes as an angel of light. now it seems we have no discernment but they do

you can't make this stuff up

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not just about speaking in tongues but IMHO, whenever someone attributes the work of the Holy Spirit to demons ie: OSAS followers attributing obedience to God as an essential part of salvation taught and preached by some on another thread I visited...to demons by saying that "it is not of God".

When Jesus told His disciples to preach the Gospel unto all nations and teach them to obey His commands as written in Matthew 28:19-20, would it be right to call these people malicious and insulting names and saying that their teaching is "not of God, thereby rejecting God's and Jesus' teachings above regarding obedience and attributing them to demons.

I do not speak in tongues but just as Paul said,

NIV1984 1 Corinthians 14:5,18-22,39-40
I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified. I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue. Brothers, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. In the Law it is written: “Through men of strange tongues and through the lips of foreigners I will speak to this people, but even then they will not listen to me,” says the Lord. Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers. Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and DO NOT FORBID SPEAKING IN TONGUES. But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.

If someone was given the gift of tongues and you call it as demonic then you have blasphemed to the Holy Spirit which according to scriptures is unforgivable.

God bless us all.

right

this thread was not supposed to be about tongues but the usual members who argue against tongues do not seem to post about anything else

it was and for intents and purposes, still is, about attributing the work of the Holy Spirit to the devil

 

[7seasrekeyed]

God is the SAME yesterday - today - and every tomorrow!!
This is why I believe ALL GIFTS of the Holy Spirit are functioning.
The MOMENT any Gift stops, that means God is no longer the SAME as before.
And since God cannot change due to Him being perfect and He must keep His Word and Promise, His Gifts have not changed!!

well, it seems if you are missing knowledge along with tongues, this will be a mystery to you

if you believe that tongues will cease when knowledge, prophecy and perfection takes over, then you are one confused individual and should probably go back to kindergarten for new believers cause your foundation is crumbling

 

[obedienttogod]

God is the SAME yesterday - today - and every tomorrow!!
This is why I believe ALL GIFTS of the Holy Spirit are functioning.
The MOMENT any Gift stops, that means God is no longer the SAME as before.
And since God cannot change due to Him being perfect and He must keep His Word and Promise, His Gifts have not changed!!

well, it seems if you are missing knowledge along with tongues, this will be a mystery to you

if you believe that tongues will cease when knowledge, prophecy and perfection takes over, then you are one confused individual and should probably go back to kindergarten for new believers cause your foundation is crumbling

This also goes since Faith is just as a vital part of the Gifts as is Salvation:

Then one has to forgo having faith, to believe the gifts have ceased. So, when Yeshua told us it takes Faith to believe in Him, takes faith to believe you are Saved, takes faith to face the enemy, takes faith to heal, takes faith to remove a mountain, He was lying?

If there is no Faith in healing, raising the dead, speaking to cancer and it just disappears, then there should be no faith in believing in a God we have never seen, or the faith to believe we are sinners and need God's Salvation.

If the Gifts are done, then Faith must be done.
Therefore, since faith is no longer active, NONE OF US are Saved!!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

God is the SAME yesterday - today - and every tomorrow!!
This is why I believe ALL GIFTS of the Holy Spirit are functioning.
The MOMENT any Gift stops, that means God is no longer the SAME as before.
And since God cannot change due to Him being perfect and He must keep His Word and Promise, His Gifts have not changed!!




This also goes since Faith is just as a vital part of the Gifts as is Salvation:

Then one has to forgo having faith, to believe the gifts have ceased. So, when Yeshua told us it takes Faith to believe in Him, takes faith to believe you are Saved, takes faith to face the enemy, takes faith to heal, takes faith to remove a mountain, He was lying?

If there is no Faith in healing, raising the dead, speaking to cancer and it just disappears, then there should be no faith in believing in a God we have never seen, or the faith to believe we are sinners and need God's Salvation.

If the Gifts are done, then Faith must be done.
Therefore, since faith is no longer active, NONE OF US are Saved!!

I would agree logic in scripture which I find to be quite logical if you follow through

but when your logic is in your own reasoning and you believe that somehow the warnings in scripture don't apply to you....

 

[RickyZ]

exactly

so not one of them has the right to post any of their so called experiences and expect us to believe them while they say we are unreliable, speak by a demon, cannot tell the difference between the Holy or the unholy spirit and basically mock

prepare yourself for alot of beating around the bush and I didn't mean it that way and you misunderstood

not only do they see through a glass darkly, but someone is using a fog machine on their glass also

the devil comes as an angel of light. now it seems we have no discernment but they do

you can't make this stuff up

I always get a kick thinking about those towns Jesus couldn't heal in because He couldn't prove He was in-network

 

[Noose]

God is the SAME yesterday - today - and every tomorrow!!
This is why I believe ALL GIFTS of the Holy Spirit are functioning.
The MOMENT any Gift stops, that means God is no longer the SAME as before.
And since God cannot change due to Him being perfect and He must keep His Word and Promise, His Gifts have not changed!!

1.The bible itself says the gifts will cease; according to you, this means that God will change?!
2.Did the gifts start at Pentecost? does it mean God changed at that moment?
3. Are you serious?

 

[RickyZ]

well, it seems if you are missing knowledge along with tongues, this will be a mystery to you

if you believe that tongues will cease when knowledge, prophecy and perfection takes over, then you are one confused individual and should probably go back to kindergarten for new believers cause your foundation is crumbling

Now now, let's play nice. Even if they don't.

It's interesting seeing all these one sided conversations between others and those I've ignored

 

[KnowMe]

Now now, let's play nice. Even if they don't.

It's interesting seeing all these one sided conversations between others and those I've ignored

That a boy you play nice indeed.

 

[KnowMe]

though I’m probably on the Z list hahaha...