A NON-CHARISMATIC UNDERSTANDING OF TONGUES

[GtrPkr]

Lol... That may take some time! Again, I apologize

 

[obedienttogod]

Don't worry about it Brother, I log on here because I view it as a family reunion. And like any family we are a part of or are familiar with, there are relatives you are happy to see, there are some that your world won't end if you do not see them, and some, you wished just were not a part of the family.

But in God, I am thankful for everyone who can ignore this world and its temptations, overcome its trials and valleys, and stand in the face of obstacles for choosing to believe. Even if they irritate me, I know they are precious to our God!!

 

[VCO]

Lol... That may take some time! Again, I apologize

Yes, the type of Pentecostal that obedienttogod reminds me of is that OLD SCHOOL Pentecostal, that Pastor Ray, was part of, my friend in the Prison Ministry. So we can disagree on tongues and not let it interfere with our friendship. Because we agree on most of the important things anyhow. He told me in their Worship Service, there is nothing that resembles what you saw in that Kundalini Awakening video, where the Charismatics are totally out of control. Like I said earlier my Sister-inlaw was in that big church in Redding, CA., so I have second hand knowledge what went on there. WE NEVER WENT TO CHURCH WITH HER, but from her stories, they were totally OUT OF CONTROL THERE.

 

[GtrPkr]

Honestly, I would like to believe that there are some legitimate churches out there practicing tongues... I just haven't seen one. Perhaps that's the problem, some people are so impressed with the show that they miss what the show is supposed to be about.

 

[VCO]

I am told by a friend of mine, who I am trying to introduce to the Lord (she is a highly educated, extremely intelligent, certified member of MENSA, and her list of credentials are actually impressive), in her studies (she is a professor of religions, and her mother is one of only a few linguistics alive (we are discussing the dialects/phonics of all human language + I asked this atheist to give me her impression of the Angelic Tongues)) she instructs me that the author and creator of the video in question in this thread, is someone uninformed and definitely uneducated, because this IS NOT A FORM OF KUNDALINI.

She thinks the video creator has a grasp on what can be viewed on his video, does not represent my/his God (Yahweh). But it is not actual Kundalini. She even wonders (since she understands the scripture our highest regards to our God) how they can shake their heads so violently and still appear to be reading from the Bible.

But it's the way they are contorting themselves, acting like animals, that has convinced her it is a form or either Celtic or Gaelic Paganism animal worship.

She has been to a few of our church services, and wonders how anyone could be trying to relate what is on the video, to what she saw in our worship.

And as an agnostic, who believes in a higher power, but not quite sure what that is yet. Feels like the Pentecostal worship, is as close to what Paul wrote about, compared to other Denominations she continually visits.

Not that her opinion matters, but I find it odd that someone who has in depth knowledge of paganism, satanism, wiccan, voodoo, all forms of religions, muslim, judaism (her husband is a true pure blooded Jew), Christianity, etc, etc, etc...see's on this video paganism, not hinduism.
. . . .

So she thinks it is worse to be involved in Paganism, than Hinduism ? ? ? I think the SAME FALSE holy spirit is behind both of them.

 

[obedienttogod]

Yes, the type of Pentecostal that obedienttogod reminds me of is that OLD SCHOOL Pentecostal, that Pastor Ray, was part of, my friend in the Prison Ministry. So we can disagree on tongues and not let it interfere with our friendship. Because we agree on most of the important things anyhow. He told me in their Worship Service, there is nothing that resembles what you saw in that Kundalini Awakening video, where the Charismatics are totally out of control. Like I said earlier my Sister-inlaw was in that big church in Redding, CA., so I have second hand knowledge what went on there. WE NEVER WENT TO CHURCH WITH HER, but from her stories, they were totally OUT OF CONTROL THERE.

I was watching TBN about 3 weeks ago, and they were doing their yearly need money, send money gig. But the son is obviously more subtle than his father used to be. They had a complete different set-up and was doing the offering of books written by these major church pastors that the money goes directly to TBN to fund its telecast.

Anyways, and I find it both odd and uplifting, because you can check my date stamp when I posted to you over this video and compare it to when this telethon was on. But they had the pastor from the Redding, Ca church on. I sat there listening to several pastors before him + Ken Hamm (I believe is his name)(the guy in Cincinnati)(with Christian museum and full replica of Noah's Ark)(he was discussing Bill Nye the science guy). But when Bill Johnson (I believe is his name) became the guest, I had this sudden urge to just begin praying against him. I watched for 10 minutes and he tried to control the interview and suggest the owner of TBN to do a few things. You could tell the owner was not at ease with Bill at all. Finally, I just shut the t.v. off. I never let my mind wonder on why I had such an ill feeling toward that preacher and asked God to forgive me over it.

Then low and behold, after days pondering whether or not to watch the kundalini video. I sensed God telling me to view. Gotta tell you, before ever hitting the play button, I was worried I might find organizations I associate with on there. Not all Movements are reserved like ours. So, one never knows.

Anyway, I was definitely relieved not to see any I associate with on the video (hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha)!!

But the moment the man who put the video together, pointed out Bill Johnson, as one WHO CONFIRMED that tattoo sleeve walking SNAKE as a prophet, God quickened me to go against that preacher and to bind him in the Name of Yeshua!!

I think that movement is going to be an end time issue, that causes a big split. And this will be where we see from Matthew 24 "the very Elect being deceived." And not just the elect who have been already deceived, but there is coming a wave of believers who will be deceived. And they won't just be Charismatic, Pentecostal, but ALL DENOMINATIONS are going to see their own church families deceived.

If we don't hit this Movement on the head and come against it NOW, it will usher the coming of the antichrist. Because the Saints are holding him back right now (God is respecting us to get as many lives saved and momma's are praying for their babies). But the Saints will weaken as the Elect become deceived. And this Movement has that icky eerily feel to it!!

 

[obedienttogod]

Honestly, I would like to believe that there are some legitimate churches out there practicing tongues... I just haven't seen one. Perhaps that's the problem, some people are so impressed with the show that they miss what the show is supposed to be about.

It simply takes shepherds to actually fear God enough, to keep a tight watch on their sheep, to teach them staples of solid foundational principles from the Word of God, and to stop any form of nonsense from being able to spark the wrong kind of flame.

 

[UnderGrace]

Honestly, I would like to believe that there are some legitimate churches out there practicing tongues... I just haven't seen one. Perhaps that's the problem, some people are so impressed with the show that they miss what the show is supposed to be about.

How does one practice tongues?

 

[obedienttogod]

So she thinks it is worse to be involved in Paganism, than Hinduism ? ? ? I think the SAME FALSE holy spirit is behind both of them.

I could not agree with you any more than I am now!!

But as an agnostic (who converted to judaism by marrying a pure blooded Jew), she really does not believe in anything but science. And like science, she breaks down all religions to basic fundamentals and principles. I have never asked or been privy to her collection of footage and notes, relating to all beliefs. But her personal library on religions consists of around 5,000 books. Some books (just reading the covers) I don't feel comfortable to even touch, let alone take off the shelf and open to see what it's about. But I think outside the fact, the enemy is the enemy, whether its hinduism or paganism or something else. It is nice, from my viewpoint, to think I have a better grasp on what the enemy is coming at us as. None of it has a chance against Yahweh. But I hate wasting time directing the enemy to confess, what it is falsely representing, so it can be properly rebuked and cast out. This time, knowing it is paganism, makes it better than going against as if I was thinking it was Hinduism.

 

[obedienttogod]

But I hate wasting time directing the enemy to confess, what it is falsely representing, so it can be properly rebuked and cast out. This time, knowing it is paganism, makes it better than going against as if I was thinking it was Hinduism.

I say this ^ because of this:

Jude 1:
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Going against the enemy, while thinking he is something that he is not actually representing at the moment, is doing what Michael was careful not to do.

 

[VCO]

I was watching TBN about 3 weeks ago, and they were doing their yearly need money, send money gig. But the son is obviously more subtle than his father used to be. They had a complete different set-up and was doing the offering of books written by these major church pastors that the money goes directly to TBN to fund its telecast.

Anyways, and I find it both odd and uplifting, because you can check my date stamp when I posted to you over this video and compare it to when this telethon was on. But they had the pastor from the Redding, Ca church on. I sat there listening to several pastors before him + Ken Hamm (I believe is his name)(the guy in Cincinnati)(with Christian museum and full replica of Noah's Ark)(he was discussing Bill Nye the science guy). But when Bill Johnson (I believe is his name) became the guest, I had this sudden urge to just begin praying against him. I watched for 10 minutes and he tried to control the interview and suggest the owner of TBN to do a few things. You could tell the owner was not at ease with Bill at all. Finally, I just shut the t.v. off. I never let my mind wonder on why I had such an ill feeling toward that preacher and asked God to forgive me over it.

Then low and behold, after days pondering whether or not to watch the kundalini video. I sensed God telling me to view. Gotta tell you, before ever hitting the play button, I was worried I might find organizations I associate with on there. Not all Movements are reserved like ours. So, one never knows.

Anyway, I was definitely relieved not to see any I associate with on the video (hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha)!!

But the moment the man who put the video together, pointed out Bill Johnson, as one WHO CONFIRMED that tattoo sleeve walking SNAKE as a prophet, God quickened me to go against that preacher and to bind him in the Name of Yeshua!!

I think that movement is going to be an end time issue, that causes a big split. And this will be where we see from Matthew 24 "the very Elect being deceived." And not just the elect who have been already deceived, but there is coming a wave of believers who will be deceived. And they won't just be Charismatic, Pentecostal, but ALL DENOMINATIONS are going to see their own church families deceived.

If we don't hit this Movement on the head and come against it NOW, it will usher the coming of the antichrist. Because the Saints are holding him back right now (God is respecting us to get as many lives saved and momma's are praying for their babies). But the Saints will weaken as the Elect become deceived. And this Movement has that icky eerily feel to it!!

I fear you are absolutely right, and the Worldly Christians (false Christians) are ripe for the pickings, because they seem to totally believe the things they see that they perceive to Miraculous, THEY THINK IT ALL HAS TO BE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. Like I said before, they have forgotten that Devil can do miracles too. I have seen it coming for a long time.


Matthew 24:23-27 (HCSB)
23 “If anyone tells you then, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Over here!’ do not believe it!
24 False messiahs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
25 Take note: I have told you in advance.
26 So if they tell you, ‘Look, He’s in the wilderness!’ don’t go out; ‘Look, He’s in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.
27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

 

[VCO]

I could not agree with you any more than I am now!!

. . .

Prehaps, you will agree with me on one of my Favorite Gospel singers. She blesses my socks off, every time I listen to her.

There is a Gospel Singer, from Kenya, if the Lord wants her to lead the singing all the way to HEAVEN, after the Rapture, I think she would be a GOOD CHOICE for heavenly Choir Director. Her name is Emmy Kosgei.

 

[obedienttogod]

I fear you are absolutely right, and the Worldly Christians (false Christians) are ripe for the pickings, because they seem to totally believe the things they see that they perceive to Miraculous, THEY THINK IT ALL HAS TO BE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. Like I said before, they have forgotten that Devil can do miracles too. I have seen it coming for a long time.


Matthew 24:23-27 (HCSB)
23 “If anyone tells you then, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Over here!’ do not believe it!
24 False messiahs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
25 Take note: I have told you in advance.
26 So if they tell you, ‘Look, He’s in the wilderness!’ don’t go out; ‘Look, He’s in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.
27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

AMEN Brother,

Most believers under the age of 30 - 35, was going to say 40, but they might be on the cusp...but they were not born or old enough to remember the old timers. I remember going to preacher conferences with my Grandfather and Father and every person from all Denominations had a story or 2 to tell of real demonic power that either they or someone in their church experienced.

A Baptist and Wesleyan preacher told similar stories. The one happened to someone about the age of mid 40's and the other to an elderly woman around her 80's. Now, when an 80 year old woman speaks, there are no real reasons to believe she is lying, especially when she is a believer and has been the majority of her life. Her son was a minister and him and his family was staying with her while he was holding revival nearby. Evidently, a couple people from the revival was visiting and they began praying for the service that coming evening. All of a sudden, there was a racket on the front porch and the children began running to the door. The father (preacher of the revival) ordered his son to stop as he hurried to the door. He later told his mother (who later was the 80 year old) he had a quick sudden feeling that no one was suppose to open the door. By the time the father reached the front window, with the visitors also there, they saw one of the childrens bikes being moved on its own. They began praying harder and rebuked the evil spirit. The preachers telling the story said, the bike just lifted up off the ground suspended in mid air, and then it just flew like it was being tossed about 15 yards before falling to the ground.

Clearly, revival was going good and the enemy hated it!!

We HAVE NOT TICKED THE ENEMY OFF in a very long time!! If we got on fire and fulfilled our reason for being here, we could do damage to the enemy and actually see souls being saved like they used to be.

 

[obedienttogod]

Prehaps, you will agree with me on one of my Favorite Gospel singers. She blesses my socks off, every time I listen to her.

There is a Gospel Singer, from Kenya, if the Lord wants her to lead the singing all the way to HEAVEN, after the Rapture, I think she would be a GOOD CHOICE for heavenly Choir Director. Her name is Emmy Kosgei.

Hmmmm, that woman has the Holy Spirit all over her. She is truly Blessed. And coming from Africa, the hard way of life she must have endured. And just look at her, she knows her Promise, knows her God, knows that one day she is going to be with her Holy One of Israel. She would fit right in with the Pentecostal Worship and Praise hahahahahahaha

 

[VCO]

How does one practice tongues?

He would be wrong there. IF YOU CAN PRACTICE IT, it is a COUNTERFEIT of tongues.

God said HE would speak to THIS PEOPLE (the Nation Israel) when it is Truly TONGUES.
In other works HE uses the Mouth of the Speaker, but HE IS GENERATING the TONGUES.


1 Corinthians 14:21-22 (ESV)
21 In the Law it is written, “By people of strange tongues and by the lips of foreigners will I speak to this people, and even then they will not listen to me, says the Lord.”
22 Thus tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers [Jews], while prophecy is a sign not for unbelievers but for believers.


So practicing tongues is to proof it is a counterfeit.

 

[VCO]

My favorite song by Emmy Kosgei:

 

[Noose]

My favorite song by Emmy Kosgei:

Is this an example of singing in tongues?

 

[VCO]

Another favorite by Emmy Kosgei:

May this bless your soul !

 

[VCO]

Is this an example of singing in tongues?

Not exactly, but when I see the conversation lagging a bit, or arguing a lot, I like to mix a couple of songs, and it usually gets us back to remembering what a blessing other Christians can be.

 

[GtrPkr]

Emmy is definitely uplifting!