Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning

[2Pillars]

Well, seems much work behind your thougts, but they are just your thoughts. Not more. Like many other had and have.
God revealed us not more then he did in Genesis 1- Revealation.
Everything else is speculation. You have to wait till heaven to get full informations, i suppose.

SUBSTANCE OF FAITH NOT SEEN:

The Faith, which allows you to see, is given to you when God gives you the Faith to believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, according to the Scriptures. It is a GIFT from God to men. Without this Faith, one cannot be born again.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Once, you have received this Faith, you can begin to look for the evidence of things not seen as Hebrews 11:1 shows.

Hbr 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Notice that Faith is Substance and Evidence. Once you have been born Spiritually doesn't mean that you must accept everything else in Scripture, by Blind Faith, since it is now possible for you to look for the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen, before you were made alive Spiritually.

That's what we must do, and it is really thrilling to discover the evidence of God, which I call PROOF of God, since it is PROOF to me. By Faith. I have also noticed that it's NOT evidence to Unbelievers and Pretenders, as they blaspheme God's Holy Word as myth, allegory, and fiction.

Those who don't look for God's Truth will never find it.

 

[Oseas]

Yawn. You could have stopped after the first ten words... and not come across as a jackdonkey.

You are possessed by the spirit of the father of lie and speaking in accord his evil spirit.

 

[Oseas]

A little humility would do you well as would application of sound hermeneutical principles. As of right now, it is you sowing suppositions and speculations.

You are possessed by the spirit of the father of lie and speaking in accord his evil spirit.

 

[Dino246]

You are possessed by the spirit of the father of lie and speaking in accord his evil spirit.

Did you come up with that all by yourself? I think so, because of the poor spelling and grammar. When you get out of elementary school, perhaps you will have grown a thicker skin.

 

[garee]

KnowMe said:

Evening and Morning wasn’t calculated, they used sun dials and star watching, evening and morning was a period of unknown time to them, when there’s light but no visual of the sun to gauge time on a sun dial. it’s about 18min in the evening and morning.

The Glory of God provided light the first three days. The fourth day he hit the switch and toggled on the temporal time keepers, the Sun and the moon . Days 1-3 he simply commanded His light to shine to represent that which was good, day, and darkness night he would hide His glory, to represent evil

In the new heavens and earth the sun and the moon will lose its temporal position of tracking time. There will be no night in the new order to be used to represent evil The glory of God as it was on the first there days of creation will be the eternal light

No temple could be seen in the city, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are worshiped in it everywhere. And the city has no need of sun or moon to light it, for the glory of God and of the Lamb illuminate it. Its light will light the nations of the earth, and the rulers of the world will come and bring their glory to it. Its gates never close; they stay open all day long—and there is no night! Revelations:21:22-25

 

[wolfwint]

SUBSTANCE OF FAITH NOT SEEN:

The Faith, which allows you to see, is given to you when God gives you the Faith to believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, according to the Scriptures. It is a GIFT from God to men. Without this Faith, one cannot be born again.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Once, you have received this Faith, you can begin to look for the evidence of things not seen as Hebrews 11:1 shows.

Hbr 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Notice that Faith is Substance and Evidence. Once you have been born Spiritually doesn't mean that you must accept everything else in Scripture, by Blind Faith, since it is now possible for you to look for the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen, before you were made alive Spiritually.

That's what we must do, and it is really thrilling to discover the evidence of God, which I call PROOF of God, since it is PROOF to me. By Faith. I have also noticed that it's NOT evidence to Unbelievers and Pretenders, as they blaspheme God's Holy Word as myth, allegory, and fiction.

Those who don't look for God's Truth will never find it.

Well, I agree with you about that what the bible says about Faith. But is to trust blind the Word not that what we should do?

What you wrote about Genesis 1+2 has not much to do with faith. It is Eisegese. You put your view and thoughts into the scripture and concluse Things which the bible didnt says.

 

[2Pillars]

Well, I agree with you about that what the bible says about Faith. But is to trust blind the Word not that what we should do?

What you wrote about Genesis 1+2 has not much to do with faith. It is Eisegese. You put your view and thoughts into the scripture and concluse Things which the bible didnt says.

As I have posted before….

It's simple to know if one's interpretation is correct. If it agrees with God's Holy Word, true Science, and History, it's as close to the One Truth as is Humanly possible.

There is NOT one Truth for True Science and another one for "Bible Believing Christians”. There is Only 1 Truth, and every other discovered Truth MUST agree with God's Truth or we have Not found the 1 Truth. That's why I seek the agreement of every other discovered Truth, to measure against God's Holy Word. The fault is Not with God's Truth, but with man's ability to understand it, for His thoughts are far above man's thoughts.

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Unbelievers CANNOT understand Scripture because they don't have the Holy Spirit to guide them into God's Truth. 1Co 2:14 This is because one MUST have the Gift of Faith from the Father. Eph 2:8-10

God has hidden His Truth from this lost and dying world and only revealed it to His children. This ASSURES that ONLY by Faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to the Scriptures can one be saved. In order to understand you MUST study to show yourself approved unto God. 2Ti 2:15.... Below is one of my favorite verses.

Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

God bless

 

[KnowMe]

The Glory of God provided light the first three days. The fourth day he hit the switch and toggled on the temporal time keepers, the Sun and the moon . Days 1-3 he simply commanded His light to shine to represent that which was good, day, and darkness night he would hide His glory, to represent evil

In the new heavens and earth the sun and the moon will lose its temporal position of tracking time. There will be no night in the new order to be used to represent evil The glory of God as it was on the first there days of creation will be the eternal light

No temple could be seen in the city, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are worshiped in it everywhere. And the city has no need of sun or moon to light it, for the glory of God and of the Lamb illuminate it. Its light will light the nations of the earth, and the rulers of the world will come and bring their glory to it. Its gates never close; they stay open all day long—and there is no night! Revelations:21:22-25

 

[Dino246]

As I have posted before….
Unbelievers CANNOT understand Scripture because they don't have the Holy Spirit to guide them into God's Truth. 1Co 2:14 This is because one MUST have the Gift of Faith from the Father. Eph 2:8-10

While it is certainly true that unbelievers cannot fully understand God's word, it is incorrect to assert that they cannot understand any of it.

 

[2Pillars]

2Pillars said:
As I have posted before….
Unbelievers CANNOT understand Scripture because they don't have the Holy Spirit to guide them into God's Truth. 1Co 2:14 This is because one MUST have the Gift of Faith from the Father. Eph 2:8-10

While it is certainly true that unbelievers cannot fully understand God's word, it is incorrect to assert that they cannot understand any of it.

Here's what we are talking about and what the Scripture say....

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I don't argue to what the Scripture clearly says.

 

[wolfwint]

I agree my friend. That is why I am very careful in trying to build my BiblicaStand with solid Foundation as I go along the way. Here are some of the details I see with regards to the continuing topic.

The beginning of our Cosmos is dated at some 13.7 Billion years ago, in man's time, scientifically speaking... BUT was on the 3rd Day of Genesis in God's time.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

Adam was a living soul and lived with YHWH, the Son of God, as his meet, for Billions of years, before, he disobeyed and was made in a perfect body with Shekinah Glory on the 3rd Day. But lost his glory after he disobeyed the 1st commandment of the Lord and sinned on the 6th Day.

The world of Adam (1st heaven or the garden of Eden) was an enclosed Biosphere much much smaller than our earth, which was totally surrounded by the firmament which protected it from the waters above and below it - into which it was placed. Gen 1:6-8 .

Adam was physically formed (like a potter would mold a clay) on the 3rd Day, BEFORE the First Stars, which were not made and put forth it’s light until the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 - millions of years after the Big Bang. He was BEFORE any other creature brought forth from the water on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21. This included the creation of the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) originated from the waters some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time.

In the Day, Adam and his generations were Created spiritually in the image and likeness of God (Gen 1:26-27) - both A&E have already committed their “original sins”; sent out of the garden of Eden; Cain had already killed Abel; and the creation event took place during the Seth’ generations; only after Man began to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26) ...and repent.

Gen 5:1-3
v1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
v2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
v3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

Of course, Cain, who was a Murderer and a Liar from the beginning, could NOT have been made in the image or likeness of God. Therefore, not everybody is created in the image and likeness of God from natural birth, unless, one is Born Again, spiritually in Christ.

1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

God bless

Look, you are useing dates. God reveals no date how old is the universe.
Jesus our Lord uses the 6 days creation for the reason to keep the sabbath at the 7th day. The hebrewword for day in Genesis 1 and to is the same word as it is used to speak for an earthly day.
For to take long titimeperio into each day, ore count human way of evolution with an big bang like you do, is pure speculation and has nothing to do with Gods word.
I know that people, even christians try to combine evolution and creation together. But this is pure speculation.

 

[2Pillars]

Look, you are useing dates. God reveals no date how old is the universe.
Jesus our Lord uses the 6 days creation for the reason to keep the sabbath at the 7th day. The hebrewword for day in Genesis 1 and to is the same word as it is used to speak for an earthly day.
For to take long titimeperio into each day, ore count human way of evolution with an big bang like you do, is pure speculation and has nothing to do with Gods word.
I know that people, even christians try to combine evolution and creation together. But this is pure speculation.

Sorry, but obviously, you are NOT understanding my posts. I am only using Man's Time to COMPARE to the number of God's Creative Days of Labor used in Genesis 1 up to this Present Creative Day of Genesis.

Below are few of my quotes regarding the same.

Most people don't know the difference between God's time and man's time.

God has but 7 Days and Today is the still the 6th Day of Genesis. At the end of this present 6th Creative Day, Heaven will be complete, and all believers will be there. When Heaven is brought to Perfection, God will rest for Eternity, the 7th Day, which has No end.

Man's time began on the 4th Day and depends on the movements of the Sun, Moon, and Stars. Since God is present, but also beyond this Universe, He is Not subject to the movements of our Stars. Man's time is temporal and will cease when this Universe is burned. God's time is Eternal.

Each of God's Days is NOT 24 hours since the word days comes from the Hebrew word Yowm which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity. A Day is a period of labor and God has ONLY 6 periods of labor when He is working to make His perfect Heaven and fill it with perfect mankind.

The Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest in Gen 1&2, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture. The 7th Day has no End.

In fact, today, God continues to create sinners in Christ which means that we live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns

A Yowm in Gen 1&2 is a period of Labor or work when God is doing His work of creating. There is NO time limit or number of days, years, etc. A good example is the Scriptural Fact that TODAY remains the 6th Creative Day of God.... and the 6th Day will NOT end until AFTER our Cosmos is burned which is AFTER Jesus rules and reigns on Earth for a thousand years. Revelation 20:5

The dating of the Ancient Religious Leaders and Archbishop James Ussher does NOT agree with the observed Truth of History. A good example is the below which shows that the first Human cities were built (some are still with us) by Noah's great grandsons some 10k years ago. Gen 10:10

Sorry brethren, but again, there was no 24 Hour Day and Genesis 1&2 do not state that there was a 24 hour Day during God's Creative Days. The Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest in Genesis 1&2, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture in sooooooo many ways. The 7th Day has no End.

 

[wolfwint]

Sorry, but obviously, you are NOT understanding my posts. I am only using Man's Time to COMPARE to the number of God's Creative Days of Labor used in Genesis 1 up to this Present Creative Day of Genesis.

Below are few of my quotes regarding the same.

What is there not to understand? You are creating your own timetable. I mean you can do that, but you must not wonder that If nobody here believes it.
And what I am wondering is, that you state your view not as an Theorie, but as an fact. Thats strange, ore got you an extrabiblical revelation about it?

 

[jimd]

While it is certainly true that unbelievers cannot fully understand God's word, it is incorrect to assert that they cannot understand any of it.

It is also incorrect to assert that believers can fully understand all of Gods word.

 

[jimd]

Sorry brethren, but again, there was no 24 Hour Day and Genesis 1&2 do not state that there was a 24 hour Day during God's Creative Days. The Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest in Genesis 1&2, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture in sooooooo many ways. The 7th Day has no End.

Like he said, plus 1 : )

 

[Dino246]

2Pillars said:
As I have posted before….
Unbelievers CANNOT understand Scripture because they don't have the Holy Spirit to guide them into God's Truth. 1Co 2:14 This is because one MUST have the Gift of Faith from the Father. Eph 2:8-10



Here's what we are talking about and what the Scripture say....

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I don't argue to what the Scripture clearly says.

First, making the font larger, or changing the colour, doesn't add strength to your argument.

Second, your statement is this, "Unbelievers cannot understand Scripture because they don't have the Holy Spirit" while the Scripture says, "The natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised."

Those two statements don't say the same thing. You're claiming that the Scripture "clearly says" one thing, but your assertion is not that one thing. Scripture does not state that "unbelievers can't understand Scripture." You're doing what many Christians mistakenly do: reinterpreting Scripture (paraphrasing) and then claiming that your paraphrase is a true representation of what the Scripture says. That's both arrogant and erroneous.

 

[Dino246]

It is also incorrect to assert that believers can fully understand all of Gods word.

True, though I don't see the relevance of the statement. I didn't claim that they can.

 

[2Pillars]

What is there not to understand? You are creating your own timetable. I mean you can do that, but you must not wonder that If nobody here believes it.
And what I am wondering is, that you state your view not as an Theorie, but as an fact. Thats strange, ore got you an extrabiblical revelation about it?

Of course not! All of my posts are supported by Scripture, True Science and History, if needed be. As I have told you before, I am comparing God's Creative Days to Man's Time - based on the the Scripture, Science and History.

I doubt if you have read all my post the way you are asking question, have you? You can go back and review them since I don't have time to repeat myself over and over again.

Here's are some of my posts that you can start reviewing .... Post # 68; 105; 136; etc...

 

[garee]

2Pillars said:

Sorry brethren, but again, there was no 24 Hour Day and Genesis 1&2 do not state that there was a 24 hour Day during God's Creative Days. The Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest in Genesis 1&2, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture in sooooooo many ways. The 7th Day has no End.

Back to Genesis where most doctrines are founded . God set up the standard for seasons, and for days, and years:to prove he is not subject to time. In that way when he said this many days or years and it would come to pass we know he is true.. If time had no standard we could not trust God who has no form .

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:Genesis 1:14

For the first three day he revealed His own glory as the light of the world for 12 hours and then concealed His glory as darkness of night for 12. The day light representing that which is good, and night used to typify evil. In the new order the Sun and the noon will be under the feet of the bride. There will be no night ever again.

 

[Dino246]

Gen 1:1-2

In the beginning God Created the heaven (Hebrew - Air) and the Earth (Hebrew -Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness (Death) was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Again, God doesn't tell us exactly in the Bible that He made everything from nothing (ex-nihilo). Once again, here’s what He told us which agrees with Albert Einstein's discoveries 2k years later:

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Albert Einstein learned that energy and matter are opposite sides of the same coin. God simply flipped energy into matter in the beginning - but without form and void.

God knew that in order for Death to be defeated, He would have to send his Son into our physical world to give light/life and to mold the FORMLESS Earth / Ground (like Dust)... and destroy the darkness/death which was upon everything God had created APART from his invisible spiritual realm.

The emergence of Light (a physical energy matter) was when YHWH, the Son of God, came forth or begotten from the invisible Spirit of God into the physical world when He commanded and spoke the first Word in the beginning and said… Let there be light; and there was light. (Gen 1:3)… before anything is made that was made… before the world was.

Again, WHERE did this invisible energy come from?.

Based on the cited Scripture below - which I couldn't NOT argue about - is the answer for it tells us where God lives:

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Then, on the 3rd Day, Jesus, the Son of God, took some of this air, dust, and water and flipped it again into Energy, at the Big Bang, which cooled and became our Cosmos.

That's the way the Supreme Intelligence of Creation makes worlds.

Our God is an Awesome God.

You're making assertions that are both unbiblical and unscientific.