Three Days and Three Nights

[garee]

There is the weekly Sabbaths and the yearly Sabbaths. Passover for example starts and ends with a Sabbath. Therefore preparation day is not only on Friday. Jesus was crucified the day before the second Passover Sabbath.

Preparation day for that ceremonial ordinance as a fast that was used to represent the Sabbath rest that we have in Christ, was on Friday . We now have it on Saturday in respect to the new era of ceremonial fasts, as sabbaths .

 

[garee]

piroma,

I think you're saying that there is no missing night when you count the night that the Messiah was arrested. If so, then this topic is not drected to you. It's directed to those who think "the heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

Yes the heart of the earth is referring to the three day living work of suffering the pangs of hells as Christ poured out his unseen Spirit of flesh unto death (God cannot die) .The third day the father delivered Him Just as God delivered Jonah who was suffering the pang of hell for three days and night in the belly of the whale.

The three days is not in reference to the tomb as if that could hold back the work of Him pouring out His Spirit life in jeopardy of His own Spirit life. Which is called drinking the blood of man.

 

[rstrats]

garee,
re: "The three days is not in reference to the tomb...

That's an issue for a different topic. Perhaps you could start one.

 

[garee]

garee,
re: "The three days is not in reference to the tomb...

That's an issue for a different topic. Perhaps you could start one.

I was replying to piroma,

He/She said; (If so, then this topic is not drected to you. It's directed to those who think "the heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

Do you think the heart of the earth or belly of the whale is the same as being dead three days and three nights in a tomb?

 

[Endoscopy]

Hi thanks for the reply.

I am not saying he did not rise after three days. My point is he was not in a literal tomb for three days and three nights. which would eliminate the first part of the work with two demonstration . (the garden and the cross, before he was set in the tomb.) beginging on Thursday.

God has set aside time periods to be used as parables .Parables are historically accurate just as they are used to pass on the spiritual truths hid in the parables.

The Holy Ghost is signifying or using the things seen, the temporal to give us the unseen eternal or spiritual understanding this is according to the prescription for seeking out the understanding in parables. (2 Corinthians 4:18) so that we might seek His approval according to the interpretation of the parable..

The Holy Ghost this signifying, (poetic language of God ) that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.


The reference three days, three nights in the belly of the whale or heart of the earth is made up the whole three day demonstratration. Beginging in the garden when Christ first started to doing the work of suuferring as unto death lying work of suffering ,and therefore not literally dying as if the Spirit of Christ that dwelt in the Son of man could die.

The two parables working as one. Jonah and the Son of man must be compared . Its the last sign as a wonder that could be expected.
Luke 11:29-31 King James Version (KJV) And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

What is compared to one, is compared to the other .Two witness to make up the one truth

I think a lot of the differences has to do with how we view the sacrifice . I think it represents a living work of suffering called hell a work unto death but not literally dying. Many give their idea of hell to suffering forever once a person leaves this realm under the Sun.

Giving in the end of the matter different conclusions. And therefore different kinds of interpretations of hell.

Remember the spiritual understanding in both parables are used to together to give one witness to the threes days in nights as a living work of suffering the pangs of hell crying out for help to be delivered and delivered to finish the work

Jonah 2 King James Version (KJV) Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly,And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

When something is a parable the Bible clearly states that. Trying to turn the only sign given to the world is not real, that Jesus was the Messiah, is absolutely in error and goes to undermine what Jesus is and said. Therefore a very antiChrstian concept. Thus makes me question if you are a wolf in sheep's clothing. I pray the answer is no.

 

[Endoscopy]

garee,
re: "The three days is not in reference to the tomb...

That's an issue for a different topic. Perhaps you could start one.

You keep trying to state the topic of the thread," Three days and three nights ", is not for the time in the tomb. How idtiotic is that?? Your logic is in error.

 

[Endoscopy]

Sunset begins darkness, Genesis making darkness pre-existing light. So, the Jews accounted a new day between dark and sunrise, taken as beginning at sunrise.

Next, according to the Law, which Jesus was under until death relieved Him, no defilement of a holy day or sabbath should not be tolerated. The Friday in question was a special high holy day, which was Passover. Passover date changed according to days and moons, and it fell on the Friday. Jesus and His disciples partook of the Passover observation a day earlier, knowing it could not be that He should be prepared on a Friday.

A lamb was required of every man of Israel, to be slaughtered, skinned, and made ready to be roasted, then eaten the next day. The blood of that lamb was painted on a home's door frame, sides and top only.

All Saturdays, by our Roman calendar, were always held as the weekly sabbath.

On Jesus' last week both holy days occurred back to back, a very unusual occurrence.

To avoid defilement of the Friday Passover event, Jesus would have to have been executed before that or on the next Sunday. Even the priests and scribes plotting to kill Jesus knew they could not offend the masses of people. They feared that. The only solution was to arrest Jesus on Wednesday night, try Him, and execute Him before sunset Thursday. That would prevent defilement of the high holy Passover event on Friday.

Sunset Thursday began the Roman Catholic's "Good Friday", yet Jesus had to die before sunset, on that Thursday. The Jews considered night as simply hours of darkness, each our regarded as night watch, so sunset at whatver actual hour defined the next day.

Now plot it on paper, beginning each day at sunset, arising by dawn Sunday.

That made three days and three nights, though we Americans consider oncoming darkness as a night, not a new day. Genesis 1 defined a night and day. We take it that dawn is a new day. That isn't correct. That won't be easily corrected. Jews count the new day at sunset, and we reckon it as a moment past midnight.

The only fact of when exactly Jesus arose from the grave remains, but our Sunday day began in darkness, began at sunset, a night by definition, ending Saturday at darkness at Saturday's sunset. We know Jesus arose on a Sunday morning after Saturday midnight. It wouldn't matter what hour on Sunday it was. The new day was a new day.

In antiquity and today in Isreal the day starts at sunset. I traveled to Israel on business several times and witnessed this. Please get hour historical facts correct keeping in mind the Gospels and much of the Bible takes place in Israel. Egyptian views are a red herring about how Israelites did things. In Genesis creation the phrase "the evening and morning" referenced the days. So it goes back to Genesis chapter 1.

 

[Endoscopy]

When Jesus died in late afternoon they had to hurry to place him in the tomb besause sunset started the second Sabbath of Passover. Pilate ordered the legs of those crucified to be broken so they would die quickly but Jesus was already dead.

 

[rstrats]

garee,
re: "I was replying to piroma..."

So I wonder why you quoted me if you were replying to piroma?


re: "He/She said; (If so, then this topic is not drected to you. It's directed to those who think "the heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb."

That was my comment, not piroma's.


re: "Do you think the heart of the earth or belly of the whale is the same as being dead three days and three nights in a tomb?"

It's not what I think, it's about what the 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates think.

 

[rstrats]

Endoscopy,
re: "You keep trying to state the topic of the thread," Three days and three nights ", is not for the time in the tomb. How idtiotic is that??"

I've told you at least 2 times that the topic title and OP were poorly conceived with regard to the intent of the topic.
Unfortunately they couldn't be edited once I realized that they needed to be. However, they have been clarified in subsequent posts:

1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth"

2. There are those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

3. Of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

4. A 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved.

5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, there may be some of those mentioned above who say that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language.

6. I wonder if anyone who falls in that group of believers could provide examples to support that belief; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime and/or no part of a night time could have occurred.

So again, the topic request for examples is with regard to the commonality of forecasting a daytime or a night time when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.



re: "Your logic is in error."

To what logic are you referring?

 

[garee]

When something is a parable the Bible clearly states that. Trying to turn the only sign given to the world is not real, that Jesus was the Messiah, is absolutely in error and goes to undermine what Jesus is and said. Therefore a very antiChrstian concept. Thus makes me question if you are a wolf in sheep's clothing. I pray the answer is no.

Clearly states as in "This is a parable"? Is the time period of Kings in Israel used as a historically true parable that hides the unseen spiritual understanding from those who have no faith? Is the reference in Genesis 3:15 not a parable of Christ and his bride the church. Jesus says without parable he spoke not hiding the unseen spiritual understanding. . What does without parable he spoke not mean?

Signs are not substance. They point ahead or back to that which is. What the eyes see is not the spiritual substance, or we would not be informed that even though some did know Christ in the Son of man for a short period from then on we know him that way forever more. One demonstration is all that been given.. God is not a man as us. Never could be.

16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.2 Corinthians5:16

Therefore a very Antichrist concept to look to the temporal and refuse to look to the hidden unseen eternal understanding. .

The 2 Corinthians5:16 passage follows the prescription below needed to rightly divide the parables.(God's word) at the end of the last chapter.

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corinthians 4:18

 

[cv5]

i do not count myself

a have to do this only based on some passage

let say take one and calculate

7Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”

so from here what we can see ?
Jesus had passover in time -let's presume

then he was taken in the night of 15 day - because the passover was eaten at the evening of 14 - the end of the day 14

so -

15 - arrest and crucifiction - Sabbath first of passover
16 dead - Sabbath weekly ?
17 should be ressurection ? sunday ?
18
19
20
21
22 Sabbath second of Passover

but this contradict with other passages probably
and saying - on the third day resurrection - require omit one night

so one night should be additional after resurrection
it means that after resurrection He was in the hell one night additional to take captivity from the devil like the conquerer

so dead on the judgment of devil He was presented by God only three days and two nights

the additional and consecutive one He has returned from heaven with power to the hell to take saints with Him to the heavens

after resurrection he was preaching in the hell - Peter said

so -

15 Sabbath Passover - Crucifixion
16 Sabbath weekly - judgment continues
17 Resurrection and ascension to the Heavens
18 come back to the hell for preaching
19 ascension with the saints from hell

consecutive nights full quantity cannot be obtained presumably He was dead

otherwise one should consider the night of betrayal like night in the hell already

then -


night 1 /betrayed
day 1 / judgment by priests and Crucifixion
night 2/ dead
day 2 /dead
night 3 /dead
day 3 / resurrection

so presuppositions are needed to be done to put all passages into one convey of agreements

i am not convinced still

would like to hear opinions different but based on scripture

I wouldn't worry about the details too much, as we simply do not know. It was definitely 3 days and 3 nights despite the various theories. I would say the same thing about the specific chronology of Passion week events. Nobody now knows on exactly what day the Anointing of Jesus took place. It matters little, as the event is duly noted.

 

[Endoscopy]

Endoscopy,
re: "You keep trying to state the topic of the thread," Three days and three nights ", is not for the time in the tomb. How idtiotic is that??"

I've told you at least 2 times that the topic title and OP were poorly conceived with regard to the intent of the topic.
Unfortunately they couldn't be edited once I realized that they needed to be. However, they have been clarified in subsequent posts:

1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth"

2. There are those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

3. Of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

4. A 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved.

5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, there may be some of those mentioned above who say that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language.

6. I wonder if anyone who falls in that group of believers could provide examples to support that belief; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime and/or no part of a night time could have occurred.

So again, the topic request for examples is with regard to the commonality of forecasting a daytime or a night time when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.



re: "Your logic is in error."

To what logic are you referring?

The fact that Jesus stated quite explicitly that the sign of him being the Messiah was the sign of Jonah.. As Jonah was in the belly of the big fish for 3 days and 3 nights so the son of man will be in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights. That is a very explicit prophecy and attempting to refute the 3 days and 3 nights is by extension attempting to refute who Jesus is. God incarnate. Atheists use this means of attacking the Bible by saying does it really mean that!

 

[Endoscopy]

Endoscopy,
re: "You keep trying to state the topic of the thread," Three days and three nights ", is not for the time in the tomb. How idtiotic is that??"

I've told you at least 2 times that the topic title and OP were poorly conceived with regard to the intent of the topic.
Unfortunately they couldn't be edited once I realized that they needed to be. However, they have been clarified in subsequent posts:

1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth"

2. There are those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

3. Of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

4. A 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved.

5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, there may be some of those mentioned above who say that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language.

6. I wonder if anyone who falls in that group of believers could provide examples to support that belief; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime and/or no part of a night time could have occurred.

So again, the topic request for examples is with regard to the commonality of forecasting a daytime or a night time when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.



re: "Your logic is in error."

To what logic are you referring?

The fact is there is the weekly Sabbath and also the yearly Sabbaths. Passover for example starts with and ends with a Sabbath. Jesus was crucified during Passover and the Sabbath was a yearly Sabbath as a couple of Gospels refer to it as a high day meaning an annual Sabbath. Also the timing of the tomb being empty Sunday morning. Going backwards Sabbath (rose late afternoon), Friday, Thursday, crucified Wednesday. That makes the annual Passover Sabbath Thursday.

This sequence fits the Gospels about the crucifixion and defends the explicit definition of the 3 days and 3 nights. Not parts of the 3 days and 3 nights. The prophecy was too explicit to go there!!!

 

[piroma]

I wouldn't worry about the details too much, as we simply do not know. It was definitely 3 days and 3 nights despite the various theories. I would say the same thing about the specific chronology of Passion week events. Nobody now knows on exactly what day the Anointing of Jesus took place. It matters little, as the event is duly noted.

yes i agree

but as we have time why not to try to understand from texts

because it is very important - it is the sign to the sinful generation that Jesus is Christ

 

[Endoscopy]

yes i agree

but as we have time why not to try to understand from texts

because it is very important - it is the sign to the sinful generation that Jesus is Christ

Not just a generation but man for all time. God gave us the law of 613 different laws scattered through the Torah. Maimonides counted and documented them. No one but Jesus has never broken the law. The rest of the world is sinners, those who break the law. As such we all need the free gift of grace. We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus. Woe to all who ignore this at judgement time. They will be judged under the law!

 

[garee]

The fact that Jesus stated quite explicitly that the sign of him being the Messiah was the sign of Jonah.. As Jonah was in the belly of the big fish for 3 days and 3 nights so the son of man will be in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights. That is a very explicit prophecy and attempting to refute the 3 days and 3 nights is by extension attempting to refute who Jesus is. God incarnate. Atheists use this means of attacking the Bible by saying does it really mean that!

It does not say in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights. And God is not a man as us if that is what you are saying that God is incarnate.

The first part of the demonstration began on Thursday when the Father began striking the Son as he drank the cup of our wrath to fulfill the prophecy of Isaiah 53

Matthew 26:38Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

The second part of the 3 days 3 night demonstration was the work was on the cross .Put in the tomb on Friday. Finishing the demonstration Sunday.

 

[Endoscopy]

It does not say in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights. And God is not a man as us if that is what you are saying that God is incarnate.

The first part of the demonstration began on Thursday when the Father began striking the Son as he drank the cup of our wrath to fulfill the prophecy of Isaiah 53

Matthew 26:38Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

The second part of the 3 days 3 night demonstration was the work was on the cross .Put in the tomb on Friday. Finishing the demonstration Sunday.

Try again next time with truth!!

Matthew 12 NIV

The Sign of Jonah
38 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.”
39 He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

You fail to understand there are weekly and annual Sabbaths. Passover begins and ends with a Sabbath. Look it up!!

Jesus was crucified during Passover. The Sabbath he was crucified before was the second Sabbath of Passover. Working backwards from the empty tomb on Sunday he rose on the Sabbath late afternoon. Friday, Thursday (Passover Sabbath) and crucified Wednesday. 3 days and 3 nights. Just as he prophecied!!

Try again to refute the Gospel account of the crucifixion and resurrection.

 

[garee]

Try again next time with truth!!

Matthew 12 NIV

The Sign of Jonah
38 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.”
39 He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

You fail to understand there are weekly and annual Sabbaths. Passover begins and ends with a Sabbath. Look it up!!

Jesus was crucified during Passover. The Sabbath he was crucified before was the second Sabbath of Passover. Working backwards from the empty tomb on Sunday he rose on the Sabbath late afternoon. Friday, Thursday (Passover Sabbath) and crucified Wednesday. 3 days and 3 nights. Just as he prophecied!!

Try again to refute the Gospel account of the crucifixion and resurrection.

I would offer a couple of things. And I am not trying to refute the gospel .We simply have different conclusions. (Passover Sabbath was Thursday on that week)

The timing which began in the garden on Thursday , not the crucifix on Friday... another portion of the same demonstration. The first mention of crying out unto death (not dead) a living sacrifice for strength to finish the work of demonstrating. The father doing his part of pouring out his wrath as Christ drank it.

Matthew 26:38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

In Mathew we can see because the work is accredited to two, the father and Son working together. Assistance from the disciples was prohibited .The Holy Spirit put the disciples asleep to make sure the work was not accredited to the flesh of men .

When we look at the companion parable in Jonas 2 Jonas .Jonah is used to typify Christ. In his affliction suffering unto death the pangs of hell .He like Jesus cried out to the father and was strengthened to finish the work both being delivered by the same Father we are delivered by

Jonah 2 King James Version (KJV)2 Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

 

[rstrats]

Endoscopy,
re: "The fact that Jesus stated quite explicitly that the sign of him being the Messiah was the sign of Jonah...That is a very explicit prophecy and attempting to refute the 3 days and 3 nights is by extension attempting to refute who Jesus is."


That's an issue for a different topic.

BTW, you have a question directed to you in post #870.