What does sanctification have to do with salvation?

[Melach]

Hebrews 10:10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Hebrews 10:14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

Hebrews 13:12 So Jesus also suffered outside the gate in order to sanctify the people through his own blood.

Ephesians 5:26 that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word,

Hebrews 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

Acts 20:32 And now I commend you to God and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.

1 Corinthians 1:2 To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours:

1 Corinthians 1:30 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,

1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.

my note: God tells us to sanctify and be holy, holiness without which no man shall see the Lord. God tells us He will sanctify us and has sanctified us. God sanctifies God justifies

 

[piroma]

Perfect:
Matt 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
we are said to be perfect, as he is perfect

Perfect, Thayer's Greek #5046 [ teleioi ] 'complete,'

Perfect, Strong's #5049 teleios "having reached its end" (telos), "finished, complete, perfect

Perfect, Mounce's Definition perfect, mature, finished, complete

Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
(NOTE: All believers, IN HIM, are complete/perfect. Not because of how great & sinless perfect we are. But, because of how great & sinless perfect He is. It's called imputed righteousness. Read Romans chapter 4. Pay special attention to verses 22-25)

who are the Colosians ?

you also have what they have undergone?

retell what exactly you passed through to obtain the state of being completed without anything missing

and what is it ?

completeness to have in Him means to have the bible besides you ?

 

[piroma]

The spirits of just men were made perfect by GOD.A person gets saved and then after that because of the mercy GOD showed us by making the spirits of just men perfect we should present our bodies a living sacrifice and not conform to this world but be transformed by renewing our minds to that perfect will of GOD.
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Ephesians 2:10
King James Version

10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
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So then perfection that you are talking about when It comes to those that are In the body of CHRIST would be talking about our walk while on earth In this body or progressive sanctification.

Ephesians 4:11-13
King James Version


11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

confusing the following - perfect spirit not capable resist the body and keep you without any sin ?

it is the real situation that your spirit is dead and the sin overtakes the mind and press on you to sin

 

[piroma]

and we're off

either google is more messed up than previously thought or we have a troll

discuss the topic not languages

 

[seed_time_harvest]

confusing the following - perfect spirit not capable resist the body and keep you without any sin ?

it is the real situation that your spirit is dead and the sin overtakes the mind and press on you to sin

If GOD were to judge us right now,the body of flesh would not have Importance when It comes to salvation the body of flesh which you can see houses the spirit which you cannot see,the Spirit Is the real you.
So then of course the Spirit Is above the flesh but being perfect In the flesh/body means to renew the mind/body to the new creation you have become.We are GODs workmanship created In CHRIST unto good works.
Paul wrote It well
Romans 12:1-2
King James Version

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

 

[FlyingDove]

who are the Colosians ? you also have what they have undergone?

retell what exactly you passed through to obtain the state of being completed without anything missing and what is it ?

completeness to have in Him means to have the bible besides you ?

 

[FlyingDove]

who are the Colosians ?

you also have what they have undergone? retell what exactly you passed through to obtain the state of being completed without anything missing and what is it ? completeness to have in Him means to have the bible besides you ?

Religion is about what you do. Your good works, law keeping, how much you give, your church attendance, prayer etc.

The Gospel is about what Christ did. His Death, Burial, Resurrection. And when we trust Him, what He can do thru/with/in us.

The prepositional phrase's: "In Christ" "In Him" "In Whom". piroma, I PUT """IN HIM""" IN CAPS VIA MY NOTE

These are positional statements used over 100 times by Paul

Rom 8:1 There is now no condemnation for those who are "in Christ" Jesus

1 Cor 1:30 Because of him that you are "in Christ", who has become for us wisdom from God that is, our righteousness, holiness & redemption

2 Cor 5:17 If anyone is "in Christ", he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come

Gal 3:26 You are all sons of God thru faith "in Christ"

Eph 2:6 God raised us up with Christ & seated us with him in the heavenly realms "in Christ"
7 In order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us "in Christ"

Eph 2:10 We are God's workmanship, created "in Christ"

Eph 2:13 Now "in Christ" you who once were far away have been brought near thru his blood

Eph 3:6 This mystery is that thru the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of 1 body, & sharers together in the promise "in Christ"

Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is "Christ in you", the hope of glory:

28 We proclaim him, teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect "in Christ"

1 Tim 1:14 The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith & love that "in Christ"

1 Tim 1:9 God saved us, & called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, according to his own purpose & grace, which was given us "in Christ" before the world began

2 Tim 2:1 My son, be strong in the grace that is "in Christ"

2 Tim 2:10 I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is "in Christ" Jesus, with eternal glory

1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead "in Christ" will rise first

Eph 1:13 "In whom" ye also trusted (Christ), after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation (1 Cor 15:1-4 & Rom 10:8-13) "in whom" also after that ye believed (When you accepted God's grace & placed your faith in Christ ), ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise (Your salvation was sealed by God's Holy Spirit)

Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
(Earnest means deposit: When we trusted Christ, God placed His Holy Spirit in us)

2 Cor 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
(The gives/places His Holy Spirit in us as a down payment)

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
(The Holy Spirit we see in Eph 1:13 sealed us. And now & forever dwells "IN" us)

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
(The Spirit of God dwells "INSIDE" us)

2 Timothy 1:14 14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.
(The Holy Spirit "SEAL" that was committed to keep & protect us. Lives "INSIDE" us)

Believers IN CHRIST are Sealed Forgiven, Reconciled, Justified & Have Eternal Life.

Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete (made perfect) "in him" which is the head of all principality and power.
(NOTE: It's are faith placed in His faithful redemptive works.)

1 John 4:17 (B) because as he is, so are we in this world
(NOTE As He is "PERFECT" so are we in this world)

 

[7seasrekeyed]

discuss the topic not languages

how yah gonna do that with no language?

so which is your mother tongue?

so we all can communicate better

 

[7seasrekeyed]

breaks into thread with:

New International Version
Yet there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him.

first post and it has only spiraled down

nothing to do with the op but sure is getting attention

I'm going with troll

ta ta

don't try to convince him you are a believer. that is not what he is after

Belgium my aunt tootles maybe now...but not originally

 

[FlyingDove]

What does sanctification have to do with salvation?

KJV Dictionary SANCTIFICA'TION definition: The act of making holy, the act of consecrating or of setting apart for a sacred purpose.

So, to sanctify, something is to set it apart for special use. The moment we believe/trust place our faith in Christ's Sin atoning death, burial & resurrection. God saves/judicially justifies (sealing us via His Holy Spirit) & sanctifies (sets us apart, for a work/mission Eph 2:10).

At the moment we truly make the decision to trust Christ we are justified/SAVED (DONE DEAL). Our salvation is forever secure. Also, at this same point in time: Salvation/receiving the eternal seal, God's indwelling Holy Spirit, we are also SANCTIFIED (set apart for a sacred purpose) BOTH at the same time.

However, Sanctification is a process, that continues, "which we must work through" (Phil 2:12) until the day of our final redemption. When we meet the Lord & receive a new incorruptible/heavenly body.

Final point: 2 Judgment Seats

At the White Throne Judgment Rev 20 (No Believers here) the UNSAVED will pay for every sin they ever committed under the law's rules.

Those saved/believers will stand at the judgment seat (Greek-bema) of Christ (Rom 14:10-12, 1 Cor 3:10-4:5 & 2 Cor 5:1-10.) No sin is discussed here. Faith placed in Christ's sin redemptive payment paid/washed ALL the believers sins away. At Calvary, Christ became sin & took upon Himself all the judgment/condemnation every believer deserved.

The believers work done during the life long SANCTIFICATION process is discussed here. And rewards are given (even a drink of water Matt 10:42 Mk 9:41 given in Christ's name receives a reward). Also see 1 Cor 3:12-23.

 

[piroma]

Regardless of time lines on maturity, do you believe that ONLY those who live a sinless, perfect life 100% of the time are in Christ?

New American Standard Bible
No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.

 

[piroma]

breaks into thread with:




first post and it has only spiraled down

nothing to do with the op but sure is getting attention

I'm going with troll

ta ta

don't try to convince him you are a believer. that is not what he is after

Belgium my aunt tootles maybe now...but not originally

i am not belgium but in belgium for the moment

it was the answer that Judas cannot be saved because he did not believe in Christ

if you have closed brains it is your problem - you do not see threads you do not see why it was given the text of the HoScri

 

[piroma]

how yah gonna do that with no language?

so which is your mother tongue?

so we all can communicate better

communicate in English

i understand you so try to understand me if it is interesting enough
though this is not about interest but about the life and death

language can be used differently - it is instrument to express something hidden in the full sentence not in words

where mistakes you have to guess and omit them

the HoScri is not for reading and amusements - but for research and findings

 

[mailmandan]

New American Standard Bible
No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.

So you do teach sinless perfection.

As Greek scholar AT Robertson explains in regards to 1 John 3:6: Sinneth not (ouc amartanei). Linear present (linear menwn, keeps on abiding) active indicative of amartanw, "does not keep on sinning." For menw(abide) see Hebrews 2:6 ; John 15:4-10. Whosoever sinneth (o amartanwn). Present (linear) active articular participle like menwn above, "the one who keeps on sinning" (lives a life of sin, not mere occasional acts of sin as amarthsa, aorist active participle, would mean). Hath not seen him(ouc ewraken auton). Perfect active indicative of oraw. The habit of sin is proof that one has not the vision or the knowledge (egnwken, perfect active also) of Christ. He means, of course, spiritual vision and spiritual knowledge, not the literal sense of oraw in John 1:18 ; John 20:29.

Also, as Greek scholar AT Robertson points out in 1 John 3:9 (KJV) - Doeth no sin (amartian ou poiei). Linear present active indicative as in verse John 4 like amartanei in verse John 8. The child of God does not have the habit of sin. His seed (sperma autou). God's seed, "the divine principle of life" (Vincent). Cf. John 1. And he cannot sin (kai ou dunatai amartanein). This is a wrong translation, for this English naturally means "and he cannot commit sin" as if it were kai ou dunatai amartein or amarthsai (second aorist or first aorist active infinitive). The present active infinitive amartanein can only mean "and he cannot go on sinning," as is true of amartanei in verse John 8 and amartanwn in verse John 6. For the aorist subjunctive to commit a sin see amarthte and amarth in John 2:1. A great deal of false theology has grown out of a misunderstanding of the tense of amartanein here. Paul has precisely John's idea in Romans 6:1 epimenwmen th amartiai (shall we continue in sin, present active linear subjunctive) in contrast with amarthswmen in Romans 6:15 (shall we commit a sin, first aorist active subjunctive). -https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/robertsons-word-pictures/1-john/1-john-3-9.html

1 John 3:9 in the NASB reads - No one who is born of God practices sin..

In 1 John 5:18 reiterates the principle which has been stated throughout the book of John, that if a person has been born of God (Greek gennao is used in the perfect tense), he will not practice or live in sin (Greek hamartano is used in the present tense to imply a life characterized by sin, rather than an isolated act of sin).

If 1 John 3:9 and 1 John 5:18 truly meant that anyone who is born of God NEVER sins at all, then we would have a contradiction. In 1 John 2:1, we read - My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. "Never sins at all - if anyone sins." - CONTRADICTION.

 

[piroma]

Religion is about what you do. Your good works, law keeping, how much you give, your church attendance, prayer etc.

The Gospel is about what Christ did. His Death, Burial, Resurrection. And when we trust Him, what He can do thru/with/in us.

The prepositional phrase's: "In Christ" "In Him" "In Whom". piroma, I PUT """IN HIM""" IN CAPS VIA MY NOTE

These are positional statements used over 100 times by Paul

Rom 8:1 There is now no condemnation for those who are "in Christ" Jesus

1 Cor 1:30 Because of him that you are "in Christ", who has become for us wisdom from God that is, our righteousness, holiness & redemption

2 Cor 5:17 If anyone is "in Christ", he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come

Gal 3:26 You are all sons of God thru faith "in Christ"

Eph 2:6 God raised us up with Christ & seated us with him in the heavenly realms "in Christ"
7 In order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us "in Christ"

Eph 2:10 We are God's workmanship, created "in Christ"

Eph 2:13 Now "in Christ" you who once were far away have been brought near thru his blood

Eph 3:6 This mystery is that thru the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of 1 body, & sharers together in the promise "in Christ"

Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is "Christ in you", the hope of glory:

28 We proclaim him, teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect "in Christ"

1 Tim 1:14 The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith & love that "in Christ"

1 Tim 1:9 God saved us, & called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, according to his own purpose & grace, which was given us "in Christ" before the world began

2 Tim 2:1 My son, be strong in the grace that is "in Christ"

2 Tim 2:10 I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is "in Christ" Jesus, with eternal glory

1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead "in Christ" will rise first

Eph 1:13 "In whom" ye also trusted (Christ), after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation (1 Cor 15:1-4 & Rom 10:8-13) "in whom" also after that ye believed (When you accepted God's grace & placed your faith in Christ ), ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise (Your salvation was sealed by God's Holy Spirit)

Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
(Earnest means deposit: When we trusted Christ, God placed His Holy Spirit in us)

2 Cor 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
(The gives/places His Holy Spirit in us as a down payment)

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
(The Holy Spirit we see in Eph 1:13 sealed us. And now & forever dwells "IN" us)

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
(The Spirit of God dwells "INSIDE" us)

2 Timothy 1:14 14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.
(The Holy Spirit "SEAL" that was committed to keep & protect us. Lives "INSIDE" us)

Believers IN CHRIST are Sealed Forgiven, Reconciled, Justified & Have Eternal Life.

Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete (made perfect) "in him" which is the head of all principality and power.
(NOTE: It's are faith placed in His faithful redemptive works.)

1 John 4:17 (B) because as he is, so are we in this world
(NOTE As He is "PERFECT" so are we in this world)

that's all in the HoScri - it is everything theirs not yours

that you have got something like them you have to prove it to yourself and to me also

and explain what it is
where the entrance into Christ ?
and Who is the Christ which should be entered?

 

[piroma]

this is not from Colossians

Eph 2:8 By grace are you saved through faith

Rom 5:2 We have access by faith into this grace

Rom 10:9 If you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord & believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Rom 10:10 With the heart man believes to righteousness & with the mouth confession is made to salvation.

 

[FlyingDove]

this is not from Colossians

Eph 2:8 By grace are you saved through faith

Rom 5:2 We have access by faith into this grace

Rom 10:9 If you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord & believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Rom 10:10 With the heart man believes to righteousness & with the mouth confession is made to salvation.

I didn't claim is was. That's my signature verses. the post at the bottom of all my replies

 

[piroma]

So you do teach sinless perfection.

If 1 John 3:9 and 1 John 5:18 truly meant that anyone who is born of God NEVER sins at all, then we would have a contradiction. In 1 John 2:1, we read - My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. "Never sins at all - if anyone sins." - CONTRADICTION.

bible teaching not me

contradiction does not exist

if somebody made a sin it should be forgiven

if somebody from you make a sin -means children can do once per year or once per month

not 70 by 7 every day

why i given formula - from 70 by 7 to no one through if somebody made a sin

and if somebody has made a sin - he lost his birth from God - he is dead again

why needed to pray and the life will be given back to such

and you put together father and child - to whom it is written ?

do not make sin

cannot make sin

so we have period of growth

but how long ?

 

[piroma]

If GOD were to judge us right now,the body of flesh would not have Importance when It comes to salvation the body of flesh which you can see houses the spirit which you cannot see,the Spirit Is the real you.
So then of course the Spirit Is above the flesh but being perfect In the flesh/body means to renew the mind/body to the new creation you have become.We are GODs workmanship created In CHRIST unto good works.
Paul wrote It well
Romans 12:1-2
King James Version

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

you cannot be new before crucifixion an old self
the same Paul said precisely many times

undress old one and then dress new one on which will be created by birth
new heart and new spirit
before stone heart and old spirit should be removed

mind is not spirit - but through the mind everything starts

 

[piroma]

I didn't claim is was. That's my signature verses. the post at the bottom of all my replies

the others were also not all from Colossians