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With reason and scripture we can conclude that fruits of the Spirit are not evidence of salvation.
If the unsaved can do them without the Holy Spirit and saved people can all but ignore them, why do the religious insist it is mandatory that they should be exhibited?
Because that’s what the “religious” do.
Their mantra of “do” for salvation exceeds Jesus’s “done”.
(Preston Greene)
If the unsaved can do them without the Holy Spirit and saved people can all but ignore them, why do the religious insist it is mandatory that they should be exhibited?
Because that’s what the “religious” do.
Their mantra of “do” for salvation exceeds Jesus’s “done”.
(Preston Greene)
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Pride is a bad fruit. Stop inspecting my fruit. 
(See post #97,795)
Mac, you just keep digging that hole deeper and deeper.
(See post #97,795)Mac, you just keep digging that hole deeper and deeper.
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AMEN..........of course I would cite creation which speaks and is used as an example by Jesus and the bible, but..............................
a. Seed of an apple lays on ground
b. Seed sprouts <----IMMEDIATELY is an apple tree but NO fruit
c. Sprout grows numerous YEARS as an apple TREE still NO fruit
d. ONCE it sprouted it is an apple tree, still and APPLE TREE finally after a few YEARS puts on from one to ten apples
e. Said apple tree may bear for many years in abundance or....
f. Said apple tree loses ALL blooms in year 5 due to late frost and bears NO fruit...STILL an APPLE TREE
g. Said APPLE tree bears crappy, dried up fruit year 7 due to a massive drought....STILL an APPLE TREE
h. Said APPLE tree has crop wiped OUT due to worms year 10...STILL an APPLE TREE
i. SAID APPLE TREE wanes and produces less and less as it ages and eventually dies...WAS ALWAYS an APPLE TREE
WHEN was the above tree NEVER an apple tree or LOST it's status as an APPLE TREE....NEVER
I seen a peach tree one time that was growing along a 2 lane highway in the ditch put on so much fruit that the limbs were almost to the breaking point....the same year that it died.....I picked numerous 5 gallon buckets of fruit off of that tree....the next year it was dead.....only produced that one year.....I drove by that tree for over 7 years and it never produced fruit until that year and only one year....yet it was ALWAYS a peach tree.....
a. Seed of an apple lays on ground
b. Seed sprouts <----IMMEDIATELY is an apple tree but NO fruit
c. Sprout grows numerous YEARS as an apple TREE still NO fruit
d. ONCE it sprouted it is an apple tree, still and APPLE TREE finally after a few YEARS puts on from one to ten apples
e. Said apple tree may bear for many years in abundance or....
f. Said apple tree loses ALL blooms in year 5 due to late frost and bears NO fruit...STILL an APPLE TREE
g. Said APPLE tree bears crappy, dried up fruit year 7 due to a massive drought....STILL an APPLE TREE
h. Said APPLE tree has crop wiped OUT due to worms year 10...STILL an APPLE TREE
i. SAID APPLE TREE wanes and produces less and less as it ages and eventually dies...WAS ALWAYS an APPLE TREE
WHEN was the above tree NEVER an apple tree or LOST it's status as an APPLE TREE....NEVER
I seen a peach tree one time that was growing along a 2 lane highway in the ditch put on so much fruit that the limbs were almost to the breaking point....the same year that it died.....I picked numerous 5 gallon buckets of fruit off of that tree....the next year it was dead.....only produced that one year.....I drove by that tree for over 7 years and it never produced fruit until that year and only one year....yet it was ALWAYS a peach tree.....
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It is always an apple tree indeed!!
If God declares us apple trees when we are born again we are always apple trees!!
We can never be anything else.
If God declares us apple trees when we are born again we are always apple trees!!
We can never be anything else.
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i have been listening to many sermons on the internet.
eternal security pastors preach just like not-eternal security pastors against sin and cry out for people to repent. not only did i preach a false gospel i have been falsely accusing the brethren how dare i. the devil is the accuser.
my notes: A repents. B repents. A says God gave me grace to do it. B says I just chose to repent.
God gets glory in A does not get glory in B. i believe thats correct. i dont know what i am yet. but i have looked into it. not even anything created can separate the elect from God's love st.paul said.
what then is the purpose of the remain in me dont be deiceived and if ye continue verses? what one pastor said in the sermon was that its to wake up God's people to self-examine, and to rattle the fake believers in churches and its the means by which God keeps His people.
im satisfied with his answer because it harmonizes all the eternal life, God will keep, and all the finality of salvation verses to the warning verses.
what do you think brethren? can i have your opinion on what i have said? i ask in love and not to spite or argue.
eternal security pastors preach just like not-eternal security pastors against sin and cry out for people to repent. not only did i preach a false gospel i have been falsely accusing the brethren how dare i. the devil is the accuser.
my notes: A repents. B repents. A says God gave me grace to do it. B says I just chose to repent.
God gets glory in A does not get glory in B. i believe thats correct. i dont know what i am yet. but i have looked into it. not even anything created can separate the elect from God's love st.paul said.
what then is the purpose of the remain in me dont be deiceived and if ye continue verses? what one pastor said in the sermon was that its to wake up God's people to self-examine, and to rattle the fake believers in churches and its the means by which God keeps His people.
im satisfied with his answer because it harmonizes all the eternal life, God will keep, and all the finality of salvation verses to the warning verses.
what do you think brethren? can i have your opinion on what i have said? i ask in love and not to spite or argue.
Not what I said.
I said that fruit bearing is evidence in general. My point in the post you just quoted was that I never inspected any individuals fruit, while you all have constantly been trying to inspect mine.
...and as usual, you are ignoring clear scripture
Matthew 7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
Luke 6:44- For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
Jude 12- These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots
I said that fruit bearing is evidence in general. My point in the post you just quoted was that I never inspected any individuals fruit, while you all have constantly been trying to inspect mine.
...and as usual, you are ignoring clear scripture
Matthew 7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
Luke 6:44- For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
Jude 12- These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots