Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit

[eternally-gratefull]

I pray this same way as well. I always do not speak in Tongues. The only time I do speak in Tongues is for Spiritual Warfare and in a church service it edifies others.

It's like our Adversary. All throughout the Old Testament in the actual Hebrew Language, NO ONE called the entity that tried to make himself equal to God, the name (Satan). They referred to him as the Adversary. Even Yeshua used the Aramaic form of Adversary. Later on, the Greeks translated Adversary into Satan. So, I view this as if God calls him Adversary, he (the Adversary) then knows being called the Adversary is a DIRECT CORRELATION that I am speaking to him.

In other words, I do not say, Get Thee Behind Me, Satan. I say, Get Thee Behind Me Adversary of Yahweh in the NAME of Yeshua. He definitely for sure knows who I am speaking about.

In Tongues, even the Adversary is aware of the Language he once spoke himself in Heaven. And still can speak in the presence of God. So praying in Tongues in Spiritual Warfare is battling the Adversary while edifying the Holy Spirit of God!!



Basically, we have the scriptures in English. But those scriptures were not originally written in English, they were written in Hebrew. Therefore, using the Hebrew words have MORE POWER than using the various forms of translations. Even using the Proper Greek when referring to what Paul wrote, has more power than the Latin, English, Chinese, Japanese, etc forms of translations.

This is WHY I speak in Tongues. Because God and the Enemy understand it when I don't. But it is more important FOR THEM to know it, than for me to understand it!!

If that is what you think you need to do. Then I guess do it

I speak in the language my father gave me, He thought it was a wonderful gift. And I will use it. It not only edifies myself ( I know what I pray and I KNOW God hears my prayers) but it edified those around me (because they heard and saw gods reaction also)

I gave an example of this very thing, and I also have many examples. Like when I was attacked by Satan as they said I would be when I chose to start training for a leadership roll in the church. Where even people around me saw that demonic activity was present.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

How ever I don't believe in the hopeless State of anyone in whom there is breath.
Even though a person reject the clear and apparent work of my Lord Jesus, via the Holy Spirit.

keeping faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith. Among these are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan, so that they will be taught not to blaspheme.
1 TIMOTHY 1:19‭-‬20 NASB

The phrasing here implies that learning and thus repentance is still possible.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

A passing note, seeing demonic activity denotes that not the work of the Lord.
The fruit of the Holy Spirit denotes His work.

I have noticed some fall into the trap of believing the enemy proves we know Christ.
But unfortunately demons were cast out by Jews, because they acknowledge God more
than the person exercising the words. If they find out the person is just faking it, it gets
a little awkward.

 

[obedienttogod]

And I will go further and say this so EVERYONE READING THIS is clear what I believe here.

Some Pentecostal Churches believe YOU MUST speak in Tongues in order to be filled with the Holy Spirit and Saved.

I went 20 years and NEVER SPOKE IN TONGUES, and I knew without a shadow of a doubt that I was saved, even when told I was not by those particular churches I speak about.

I am hard headed/bull headed so I just never paid attention to what they were hammering on me with

But one day, I wanted to know and see if it could be for me. So like I said in a couple posts ago, I watched others doing it and I studied more and more about it. And Yes, I do now speak in Tongues, and I find it VERY OFFENSIVE to be called of the Devil over it!!

But nonetheless, if you do speak or never speak in Tongues, YOU ARE SAVED, as long as you believed in your heart that Yeshua died for you and took your sins away when you sincerely repented.

To me, Speaking in Tongues is another form of the Holy Spirit's Power. It's a blessing to have the ability to do it. And it has broken barriers my English words could never break. Because when you actually are truly speaking in Tongues, you can ONLY DO it in the Spirit of God. If you do it in your own spirit, there is no difference between casting a witchcraft spell because it is not of God!!

 

[CherieR]

That is it!!

I love this song because it has so much meaning with the man who wrote it and my Grandfather

My grandpa liked to sing or hum the song where the roses never fade while he was still living with us. I sang How great Thou art with my aunts once while he was in the hospital for Father's day. Those songs tend to make me think of him.

 

[obedienttogod]

If that is what you think you need to do. Then I guess do it

I speak in the language my father gave me, He thought it was a wonderful gift. And I will use it. It not only edifies myself ( I know what I pray and I KNOW God hears my prayers) but it edified those around me (because they heard and saw gods reaction also)

I gave an example of this very thing, and I also have many examples. Like when I was attacked by Satan as they said I would be when I chose to start training for a leadership roll in the church. Where even people around me saw that demonic activity was present.

I speak several languages because I always wanted to know what people are saying outside of the English Language. But I know what you are saying because for 20 years I stood on the same principles concerning Tongues that you are now. And much of why I am picking on you because I went from your viewpoint to mine by asking God to help me. I believe this gift is for those who seek God concerning it. As a child of the Most High, I want it ALL that He has to offer in my walk in Him and especially in Spiritual Warfare.

I feel I was born to be involved with Spiritual Warfare!!

I do not believe everyone was born to be involved in Spiritual Warfare.

But to those who feel as I do, then Tongues is a necessity in battling the Adversary. More is accomplished, in my opinion, when the Spirit of Yahweh is unleashed upon the spirit of Evil!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And I will go further and say this so EVERYONE READING THIS is clear what I believe here.

Some Pentecostal Churches believe YOU MUST speak in Tongues in order to be filled with the Holy Spirit and Saved.

I went 20 years and NEVER SPOKE IN TONGUES, and I knew without a shadow of a doubt that I was saved, even when told I was not by those particular churches I speak about.

I am hard headed/bull headed so I just never paid attention to what they were hammering on me with

But one day, I wanted to know and see if it could be for me. So like I said in a couple posts ago, I watched others doing it and I studied more and more about it. And Yes, I do now speak in Tongues, and I find it VERY OFFENSIVE to be called of the Devil over it!!

But nonetheless, if you do speak or never speak in Tongues, YOU ARE SAVED, as long as you believed in your heart that Yeshua died for you and took your sins away when you sincerely repented.

To me, Speaking in Tongues is another form of the Holy Spirit's Power. It's a blessing to have the ability to do it. And it has broken barriers my English words could never break. Because when you actually are truly speaking in Tongues, you can ONLY DO it in the Spirit of God. If you do it in your own spirit, there is no difference between casting a witchcraft spell because it is not of God!!

I love everything you posted here

But the part I highlighted worries me, You studdied a gift? A gift should not have to be studied, I am sure if I sat and listened to people speaking in tongues I could also do what they are doing, Its like studying spanish, When you study it enough, You eventually can start speaking it, (this is what my aunt did, and why when she realised what happened she ran, Yet I wonder how many end up doing this and are HAPPY because it sort of verifies what they wanted all along?)

The gifts of the HS are natural. Thats how you KNOW they have the gift. People who have the gift of teaching are natural teachers. They do not study how to teach, Charismatic people are natural speakers. They do not need to study how. People who have the gift of helps. It just naturally occurs

This is how we at my church show people who ask to find out what their gift is. Look at all the gift. And try to do them all. The one you have been gifted with come naturally.

God also says if you wish seek for other gifts. And pray for them, How do you know he gave you more. Try them, do they come naturally. Or do you have to work at it.

We have many teachers in our home groups. You can really tell who has been gifted with the gift of teacher,
You can also tell who does not have that gift.

Same with other gifts.

But I am glad you did say, and I agree,, There is only one way to salvation, And it is by grace through faith in Jesus. Amen!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

My grandpa liked to sing or hum the song where the roses never fade while he was still living with us. I sang How great Thou art with my aunts once while he was in the hospital for Father's day. Those songs tend to make me think of him.

My father loved “in the garden” It still gives me goose bumps when I sing or hear it!

 

[obedienttogod]

My grandpa liked to sing or hum the song where the roses never fade while he was still living with us. I sang How great Thou art with my aunts once while he was in the hospital for Father's day. Those songs tend to make me think of him.

My mom for years kept things as time went on and on. She watched my sister and I throughout life and what are tendencies were and the patterns we we lived in. And eventually, she saw that I was ne who cherished those things from the past more than my sister did. For the past year or so, every couple months she sends me a package of old pictures, different peoples poems and writings, things like my Grandfather's formula he used when baptizing others or marrying a new couple. It has brought me closer to those I had always loved and now I feel I know them to a degree more

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I speak several languages because I always wanted to know what people are saying outside of the English Language. But I know what you are saying because for 20 years I stood on the same principles concerning Tongues that you are now. And much of why I am picking on you because I went from your viewpoint to mine by asking God to help me. I believe this gift is for those who seek God concerning it. As a child of the Most High, I want it ALL that He has to offer in my walk in Him and especially in Spiritual Warfare.

I feel I was born to be involved with Spiritual Warfare!!

I do not believe everyone was born to be involved in Spiritual Warfare.

But to those who feel as I do, then Tongues is a necessity in battling the Adversary. More is accomplished, in my opinion, when the Spirit of Yahweh is unleashed upon the spirit of Evil!!

See. You may not think so , but this is an insult. It is an insult to myself and people like me who are in the trenches everyday (and by the way I am retirned military, I know a little bit about what it means to be in the trenches.

The spirit of God is unleashed by our own prayers. I have seen it, I have witnessed it, and I have been a part of it.

The thought that tongues is a NECESSITY and MORE IS ACCOMPLISHED. I am sorry, But i have to call fowl there. Look at the OT, Look at all the godly men who unloaded the spirit of “yahweh” and never spoke in tongues. (Well maybe the language of his advirsary so they could understand them) but even that is not verified.

The people used tongues in the NT to draw people to themselves and give them an opportunity to spread the message. God used it, and it succeed as God desired. But most time, People spoke in their OWN language when battling Satan in his war against the church. And each other..

 

[obedienttogod]

I love everything you posted here

But the part I highlighted worries me, You studdied a gift? A gift should not have to be studied, I am sure if I sat and listened to people speaking in tongues I could also do what they are doing, Its like studying spanish, When you study it enough, You eventually can start speaking it, (this is what my aunt did, and why when she realised what happened she ran, Yet I wonder how many end up doing this and are HAPPY because it sort of verifies what they wanted all along?)

The gifts of the HS are natural. Thats how you KNOW they have the gift. People who have the gift of teaching are natural teachers. They do not study how to teach, Charismatic people are natural speakers. They do not need to study how. People who have the gift of helps. It just naturally occurs

This is how we at my church show people who ask to find out what their gift is. Look at all the gift. And try to do them all. The one you have been gifted with come naturally.

God also says if you wish seek for other gifts. And pray for them, How do you know he gave you more. Try them, do they come naturally. Or do you have to work at it.

We have many teachers in our home groups. You can really tell who has been gifted with the gift of teacher,
You can also tell who does not have that gift.

Same with other gifts.

But I am glad you did say, and I agree,, There is only one way to salvation, And it is by grace through faith in Jesus. Amen!!

I have learned ministers have favorites. What I mean by that is a very verse, favorite character in the scriptures, favorite gift, favorite approach to introduce God to others, etc and etc.... I saw a broads eye view of this having a Grandfather and Dad as ministers plus uncles and eventually their sons and so forth. Even I have my favorites because we all do it.

But that led me to get away from the favoritism of Tongues. This caused me to study Tongues away from other opinions and views towards it. I got outside of my own self om doing so. This is what i meant by study. I only want the input of God over it. And God's timing is not ours. That is why it took so long before I felt I could do it.

I did not mean like study for a test.

 

[obedienttogod]

See. You may not think so , but this is an insult. It is an insult to myself and people like me who are in the trenches everyday (and by the way I am retirned military, I know a little bit about what it means to be in the trenches.

The spirit of God is unleashed by our own prayers. I have seen it, I have witnessed it, and I have been a part of it.

The thought that tongues is a NECESSITY and MORE IS ACCOMPLISHED. I am sorry, But i have to call fowl there. Look at the OT, Look at all the godly men who unloaded the spirit of “yahweh” and never spoke in tongues. (Well maybe the language of his advirsary so they could understand them) but even that is not verified.

The people used tongues in the NT to draw people to themselves and give them an opportunity to spread the message. God used it, and it succeed as God desired. But most time, People spoke in their OWN language when battling Satan in his war against the church. And each other..

I see what you're saying here. I only was trying to make light to those who called me part of the Devil for speaking in Tongues.

To me, speaking in Tongues is a measure of FAITH, because I learned from God it required Faith to believe it was actually of God, and the purpose was for God.

Some people feel they can walk into a hospital and those they pray for WILL BE HEALED. Some feel their singing breaks down barriers and walls. Some feel their teaching enables believers to grow. Some believe their preaching allows God to be seen a better view. These are all acts of Faith that some have and others do not have. It's very much like speaking in Tongues. I knew my prayers reached God's Throne and were being answered like you do. But I wanted to battle where both good and evil knew what I am saying. I want the Adversary every morning I get out of bed and step onto the floor to say, THERE IS THAT TONGUE SPEAKING FULL OF FAITH WARRIOR IN GOD THAT I HATE!!!!!!!

I want to step on his toes with each step. I want to squish his head like crushing the skull of a snake. And, I WANT HIM TO KNOW this as well. Speaking in Tongues does this very thing

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I see what you're saying here. I only was trying to make light to those who called me part of the Devil for speaking in Tongues.

I just wanted you to see it goes both ways.

To me, speaking in Tongues is a measure of FAITH, because I learned from God it required Faith to believe it was actually of God, and the purpose was for God.

Some people feel they can walk into a hospital and those they pray for WILL BE HEALED. Some feel their singing breaks down barriers and walls. Some feel their teaching enables believers to grow. Some believe their preaching allows God to be seen a better view. These are all acts of Faith that some have and others do not have. It's very much like speaking in Tongues. I knew my prayers reached God's Throne and were being answered like you do. But I wanted to battle where both good and evil knew what I am saying. I want the Adversary every morning I get out of bed and step onto the floor to say, THERE IS THAT TONGUE SPEAKING FULL OF FAITH WARRIOR IN GOD THAT I HATE!!!!!!!

I want to step on his toes with each step. I want to squish his head like crushing the skull of a snake. Ad, I WANT HIM TO KNOW this as well. Speaking in Tongues does this very thing

I still would like to know how you can verify it is from God if you do not translate.

But like with a few of your brothers, I am not going to judge because you think the way you think. (Even though I am sure a few of your brothers and sisters would disagree with me, but to make the record straight, I called them out for their attitude, not their belief. So if they are trying to say things (I can’t see them anymore unless I look) then you now know why..

 

[obedienttogod]

I just wanted you to see it goes both ways.



I still would like to know how you can verify it is from God if you do not translate.

But like with a few of your brothers, I am not going to judge because you think the way you think. (Even though I am sure a few of your brothers and sisters would disagree with me, but to make the record straight, I called them out for their attitude, not their belief. So if they are trying to say things (I can’t see them anymore unless I look) then you now know why..

Paul is clear that the unknown spoken Tongue is something none of us would ever understand. He made it clear however that God would understand. I stand on this scripture the same as I stand upon Isaiah "by His STRIPES we ARE HEALED!!" I have several foundational scriptures I always stand upon because it is God's PROMISE to me!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Paul is clear that the unknown spoken Tongue is something none of us would ever understand. He made it clear however that God would understand. I stand on this scripture the same as I stand upon Isaiah "by His STRIPES we ARE HEALED!!" I have several foundational scriptures I always stand upon because it is God's PROMISE to me!!

No, he did not make this clear bro. Paul spoke of the holy spirit speaking on our behalf that we can not audibly hear. Not an unknown language.

Scripture is very clear. We are to test ALL spirit, to see if they come from God. If I can not verify something that I must declare it is not from God.

I can agree with speaking in a foreign language, but this prayer stuff. I can not agree with this at all.. and it has nothing to do with a lack of faith, it has to do with a lack of being able to test the spirit

If I do not know what he prayed, I can NEVER know if what he prayed came true. Thus his prayer will NEVER edify my because I will NEVER see the results (if it was God in the first place)

 

[obedienttogod]

Paul claimed he spoke in Tongues more than ANYONE ELSE did. He bragged about it basically. But, that meant Paul spoke in Tongues the majority of his time when praying all ALONE. Therefore, Paul would never get an interpretation over it. This is why Paul specifies the UNKNOWN TONGUE!! And why he said, we won't comprehend it but God would!!

I whole heartedly believe this 1000000000000000000000000000000000% without a shadow of any doubt!!

 

[obedienttogod]

1 Corinthians 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

NOTICE, he does not claim to interpret them, only speaks in Tongues.


1 Corinthians 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

He can't interpret them.

1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Here is the scenario I speak about where we understand the Tunknown ongues spoken are but a mystery only God knows. And this can only be done in the Spirit of God.

 

[obedienttogod]

I shall return. Need to run for a bit. God Bless You, Brother!!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

"garee, post: 3902896, member: 237842"]Good point. God is not served by human hands as that which confirm a person believe prophecy the gospel. The sign in 1 Corinthian confirm un belief. God mocking the unbelief of the whole world through that demonstration.

God does not confirm unbelief. God confirms TRUTH by signs following, that which is spoken is true. God is not mocking anyone but you are doing a very good job of putting a spin on scripture and creating nonsense that makes no sense.


God has no needs but satisfies all .

for some reason, God saw fit to create things with many needs and decided to put everything He had into that creation. He has nothing more to give than what He has already given. Supply a verse that says God needs nothing whatsoever. He appears to actually desire fellowship. does He need it? do people need it? we are created in His image.


Using a donkey as a unclean animal used to represent natural unconverted man, in order to mock unbelief in natural man as a witness to the world he puts His words on the Donkey tongue.... it faithfully worked in Balaam putting a stop to the madness of a false prophet .

where to begin? this is such a muddle it is difficult to know how to begin. we'll start with this.

clean unclean animals have nothing to do with anyone's opinion or like or dislike of the creature. Leviticus 11 & Deuteronomy 14, are speaking of God's DIETARY laws. nobody was eating donkeys. they were and still are in many parts of the world, a beast of burden and no one is barbecuing them up for the in laws on the week-end. unclean animals are generally those which eat other animals and or decaying flesh. donkeys GRAZE or eat hay or what have you. not. other. animals.

the entire unclean donkey episode and resulting mockery / witness conclusion is your very own thoughts. you need to put 'in my own opinion' after those thoughts when you stray so far from anything we find in scripture.

This shows us he can use any kind of feet to bring the gospel .Or a burning bush.

Exodus 34:19-21 King James Version (KJV) All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male. But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

Sign gifs .Two words that do not work together as one . Spiritual unseen gifts all one thing.... yes

kindly refer us to the scripture from which you derive this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

and what is a spiritual unseen gift ? every gift spoken of in scripture is 'seen' as we see the outworking of these gifts in peoples lives

that includes salvation which is a gift

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1 Corinthians 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

NOTICE, he does not claim to interpret them, only speaks in Tongues.


1 Corinthians 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

He can't interpret them.

1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Here is the scenario I speak about where we understand the Tongues spoken are but a mystery only God knows.

In your first example, it does not say he does nto interpret them, so that is a weak argument, (forgive me, but that is how I see it)

It is always good when you post a whole passage to get context.

So in the second, to get context...

1 cor 14: Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding. 16 Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed say “Amen” at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you say? 17 For you indeed give thanks well, but the other is not edified.

Pauls conclusion is that if you pray wiht an unknown tongue and do not have an understanding it is UNFRUTFUL (which has been my argument all along, how can you be EDIFIED in an unfruitful action? You can’t. It is meaningless.

So what was pauls conclusion.

IF I pray, I will understand, IF I SING, I will understand. Otherwise. Not only when I pray is it unfruitful, but when I sing in a tongue when no one understand what I or we are singing thus NO ONE is edified.

Thats also why I say, when people give me examples. I give them the same example except remove tongues from the equation, and ask which example more edified the congregation or the person.

Of course, One guy got mad at me when I did this and ignored me, said I offended him (even though in his example. He said he would take his example to a judge and be vindicated!) as if it is was totally ok for him to offend me.. Again, This is why some people are so against this, it is the attitude of people. Not the actual gift itself.

In your third, Take it in context of your second. They all fit together.


Thank you for peacefull conversation though.. It is well welcomed!!