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I AM SO GLAD that I refuse to be called an Armenian or a Calvinists. The ARGUMENT between the TWO is STUPID.
HOW STUPID can both sides in their dumb argument get ? ? ?
Let me show you all.
We serve a GOD that is ALL KNOWING, and declares The End from the Beginning. His Omnipresence, not ONLY means every square inch of the Universe all at the same time, BUT ALSO INCLUDES EVERY SECOND OF TIME AS WE KNOW IT, ALL AT THE SAME TIME. GOD DOES NOT FIT IN A BOX THAT WE CALL TIME. HE IS NOT A CREATED BEING, TRAVELING THROUGH TIME, HE IS THE CREATOR OF TIME AS WE KNOW IT. Now wrap your head around that truth about the characteristic of GOD, and you will realize that GOD is much bigger than you originally imagined, and both the Calvinist and the Armenian theories are equally WRONG.
HE IS OMNIPRESENT at EVERY FREE DECISION YOU WILL EVER MAKE, and because You limit YOUR THINKING to a finite mentality, your theories about Predestination have got to be equally wrong.
HOW on earth do you think HE WROTE EVERYONE'S NAME IN THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE BEFORE THE EARTH WAS FORMED.
2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
Revelation 17:8 (HCSB)
8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up from the abyss and go to destruction. Those who live on the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast that was, and is not, and will be present ⌊again⌋.
Revelation 13:8-9 (HCSB)
8 All those who live on the earth will worship him [antichrist], everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered.
9 If anyone has an ear, he should listen:
HOW STUPID can both sides in their dumb argument get ? ? ?
Let me show you all.
We serve a GOD that is ALL KNOWING, and declares The End from the Beginning. His Omnipresence, not ONLY means every square inch of the Universe all at the same time, BUT ALSO INCLUDES EVERY SECOND OF TIME AS WE KNOW IT, ALL AT THE SAME TIME. GOD DOES NOT FIT IN A BOX THAT WE CALL TIME. HE IS NOT A CREATED BEING, TRAVELING THROUGH TIME, HE IS THE CREATOR OF TIME AS WE KNOW IT. Now wrap your head around that truth about the characteristic of GOD, and you will realize that GOD is much bigger than you originally imagined, and both the Calvinist and the Armenian theories are equally WRONG.
HE IS OMNIPRESENT at EVERY FREE DECISION YOU WILL EVER MAKE, and because You limit YOUR THINKING to a finite mentality, your theories about Predestination have got to be equally wrong.
HOW on earth do you think HE WROTE EVERYONE'S NAME IN THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE BEFORE THE EARTH WAS FORMED.
2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
Revelation 17:8 (HCSB)
8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up from the abyss and go to destruction. Those who live on the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast that was, and is not, and will be present ⌊again⌋.
Revelation 13:8-9 (HCSB)
8 All those who live on the earth will worship him [antichrist], everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered.
9 If anyone has an ear, he should listen:
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Was wondering if the workers for, Cainologists, salvation losers, religionists and sinless perfectionist Pharisees have done enough to earn or keep their "supposed" salvation last night or today?
Answer----->Nope.....never have, never will......
Faith plus works to gain, keep, embellish, top off salvation = false gospel with no power to save-->Galatians 1, 3
Faith without works is what saves ----> Ephesians 2:8-10, Titus 3:5, John 3:16, Romans 4:5, Romans 3:28
Do not fall for the religious Venus fly trap or dogma that peddles the following...
a. Salvation must be earned or maintained by man's effort
b. Salvation can be lost because of sin <---Where sin abound grace abounds the more
c. Salvation is based upon religious deeds, works, sacraments or any other give the dog a bone theology
d. Jesus needs our help to keep us saved
The simplicity that is found in JESUS is......It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Salvation is NOT losable.....
a. Saved to the uttermost seeing JESUS ever lives to intercede for us
b. Kept by the power of God through faith
c. Christ begins, finishes and completes the work of faith found in "b"
d. The gifts and calling of God are irrevocable (Salvation is one such gift John 3:16)
e. We are sealed by GOD unto the day of redemption
f. We are born of incorruptible SEED <---BEYOND the ability to be corrupted
g. We are given ETERNAL/EVERLASTING life NOT conditional or temporary life
h. Jesus will LOSE nothing, but raise it up the LAST DAY
i. JESUS will leave the 99 to find the one that wanders
j. God will WHIP (chasten) his children, but not cast away
k. Jesus will NEVER leave us or FORSAKE US
l. JESUS abides faithful to the promises above and below even if we do not remain faithful
m. EVEN if our works are burnt to a crisp we are still saved yet so as by fire
n. We are in both the Father's hand and the hand of Christ and NO man can remove us
o. Nothing can separate us from the love of GOD
p. Our spirit is spiritually born again from above and does not sin (See 1st John)
q. ETC.
ETC......TRUST JESUS by faith...........HE saves eternally!!!!!
Answer----->Nope.....never have, never will......
Faith plus works to gain, keep, embellish, top off salvation = false gospel with no power to save-->Galatians 1, 3
Faith without works is what saves ----> Ephesians 2:8-10, Titus 3:5, John 3:16, Romans 4:5, Romans 3:28
Do not fall for the religious Venus fly trap or dogma that peddles the following...
a. Salvation must be earned or maintained by man's effort
b. Salvation can be lost because of sin <---Where sin abound grace abounds the more
c. Salvation is based upon religious deeds, works, sacraments or any other give the dog a bone theology
d. Jesus needs our help to keep us saved
The simplicity that is found in JESUS is......It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Salvation is NOT losable.....
a. Saved to the uttermost seeing JESUS ever lives to intercede for us
b. Kept by the power of God through faith
c. Christ begins, finishes and completes the work of faith found in "b"
d. The gifts and calling of God are irrevocable (Salvation is one such gift John 3:16)
e. We are sealed by GOD unto the day of redemption
f. We are born of incorruptible SEED <---BEYOND the ability to be corrupted
g. We are given ETERNAL/EVERLASTING life NOT conditional or temporary life
h. Jesus will LOSE nothing, but raise it up the LAST DAY
i. JESUS will leave the 99 to find the one that wanders
j. God will WHIP (chasten) his children, but not cast away
k. Jesus will NEVER leave us or FORSAKE US
l. JESUS abides faithful to the promises above and below even if we do not remain faithful
m. EVEN if our works are burnt to a crisp we are still saved yet so as by fire
n. We are in both the Father's hand and the hand of Christ and NO man can remove us
o. Nothing can separate us from the love of GOD
p. Our spirit is spiritually born again from above and does not sin (See 1st John)
q. ETC.
ETC......TRUST JESUS by faith...........HE saves eternally!!!!!
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Repentance
Paul is quite simple about repentance
"I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds." Act 26:20
For those who want to know what repent means look into the history of Israel, the old testament
and Hebrew
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Holidays/Fall_Holidays/Elul/Teshuvah/teshuvah.html
Four Steps of Repentance Teshuvah:
1 Forsake the sin (Prov. 28:13). "Sincere repentance is demonstrated when the same temptation to sin, under the same conditions, is resolutely resisted" (Talmud Yoma 86b). Note that according to traditional Jewish views, the atonement is of no avail without repentance (Midrash Sifra). [shuv/strepho]
2 Regret the breach in your relationship with God and others (Psalm 51). [nacham/metanoia]
3 Confess the truth and make amends with those we have harmed (Prov. 28:13; 1 John 1:9; James 5:16, Matt. 5:23-4). Note that we must ask for mechilah (forgiveness from others) before receiving selichah (forgiveness from God). [shuv/strepho]
4 Accept your forgiveness and move forward with the LORD through faith (Phil. 3:13-14; 1 John 1:9). Be comforted by the Presence of the LORD in your life: Nachumu: "Comfort ye my people" (Isa. 40:1). [nacham/metanoia].
Finally, it needs to be said that authentic repentance is a lifestyle, not a "one time deal." We never get past it. Although there is certainly spiritual progress as we walk in grace, all genuine progress comes through ongoing teshuvah. We may repent from a certain action at a given point in time, but that does not mean that no longer need to do teshuvah. Teshuvah is perpetual and timeless, since it corresponds to our spiritual rather than our temporal lives (i.e., chayei olam rather than chayei sha'ah). Indeed, a true penitent is called baal teshuvah , a "master of returning," who is always turning away from self and toward God. We never get beyond the call to "repent and believe the gospel" (Mark 1:15). That is why the season of teshuvah is always timely. The message of Elul and the High Holidays is meant to be carried over throughout the rest of the year.
Many heretical teachers call repentance nothing to do with sin or turning to God and walking
in His ways, but they are simply wrong and founding their whole theology on a miss understanding
of the greek word metanoia
In the case of metanoia μετάνοια Bauer, BAGD says the following:
"repentance, turning about, conversion" as a turning away, (from sin). Also the positive aspects of repentance as turning towards God.
"For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death." 2 Cor. 7:10
It is not just changing your approach in your mind.
Jesus tells it like this
"I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.” Luke 5:22
Who is Jesus calling to come to repentance?
Sinners! Because sinners are the ones who are called!
Paul is clear that repentance involved grief.
"As it is, I rejoice, not because you were grieved, but because you were grieved into repenting. For you felt a godly grief, so that you suffered no loss through us." 2 Cor. 7:9
And who is this repentance towards? Paul is clear that repentance has to do with God!
"how I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you in public and from house to house,21 testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ." Acts 20:21-21
Paul is quite simple about repentance
"I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds." Act 26:20
For those who want to know what repent means look into the history of Israel, the old testament
and Hebrew
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Holidays/Fall_Holidays/Elul/Teshuvah/teshuvah.html
Four Steps of Repentance Teshuvah:
1 Forsake the sin (Prov. 28:13). "Sincere repentance is demonstrated when the same temptation to sin, under the same conditions, is resolutely resisted" (Talmud Yoma 86b). Note that according to traditional Jewish views, the atonement is of no avail without repentance (Midrash Sifra). [shuv/strepho]
2 Regret the breach in your relationship with God and others (Psalm 51). [nacham/metanoia]
3 Confess the truth and make amends with those we have harmed (Prov. 28:13; 1 John 1:9; James 5:16, Matt. 5:23-4). Note that we must ask for mechilah (forgiveness from others) before receiving selichah (forgiveness from God). [shuv/strepho]
4 Accept your forgiveness and move forward with the LORD through faith (Phil. 3:13-14; 1 John 1:9). Be comforted by the Presence of the LORD in your life: Nachumu: "Comfort ye my people" (Isa. 40:1). [nacham/metanoia].
Finally, it needs to be said that authentic repentance is a lifestyle, not a "one time deal." We never get past it. Although there is certainly spiritual progress as we walk in grace, all genuine progress comes through ongoing teshuvah. We may repent from a certain action at a given point in time, but that does not mean that no longer need to do teshuvah. Teshuvah is perpetual and timeless, since it corresponds to our spiritual rather than our temporal lives (i.e., chayei olam rather than chayei sha'ah). Indeed, a true penitent is called baal teshuvah , a "master of returning," who is always turning away from self and toward God. We never get beyond the call to "repent and believe the gospel" (Mark 1:15). That is why the season of teshuvah is always timely. The message of Elul and the High Holidays is meant to be carried over throughout the rest of the year.
Many heretical teachers call repentance nothing to do with sin or turning to God and walking
in His ways, but they are simply wrong and founding their whole theology on a miss understanding
of the greek word metanoia
In the case of metanoia μετάνοια Bauer, BAGD says the following:
"repentance, turning about, conversion" as a turning away, (from sin). Also the positive aspects of repentance as turning towards God.
"For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death." 2 Cor. 7:10
It is not just changing your approach in your mind.
Jesus tells it like this
"I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.” Luke 5:22
Who is Jesus calling to come to repentance?
Sinners! Because sinners are the ones who are called!
Paul is clear that repentance involved grief.
"As it is, I rejoice, not because you were grieved, but because you were grieved into repenting. For you felt a godly grief, so that you suffered no loss through us." 2 Cor. 7:9
And who is this repentance towards? Paul is clear that repentance has to do with God!
"how I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you in public and from house to house,21 testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ." Acts 20:21-21
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I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.
Acts 26:20
You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.
James 2:22
Love does no harm to its neighbour. Therefore love is the fulfilment of the law.
Rom 13:10
To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law.
1 Cor 9:21
Faith is only real when action is done as a result.
Faith without action is just thought faith, nothing more.
9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Romans 10:9-10
'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
Matt 22:37
Love of God captivates everything that we are in Christ, to have this without it outworking
it is not real.
Acts 26:20
You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.
James 2:22
Love does no harm to its neighbour. Therefore love is the fulfilment of the law.
Rom 13:10
To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law.
1 Cor 9:21
Faith is only real when action is done as a result.
Faith without action is just thought faith, nothing more.
9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Romans 10:9-10
'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
Matt 22:37
Love of God captivates everything that we are in Christ, to have this without it outworking
it is not real.
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actions we are called to do
put on love col 3:14
put off your old self Eph 4:22
each will be rewarded according to his own labor. 1 Corinthians 3:8
Persevere in them 1 im 4:16
make every effort 2 Peter 1:5
I press on Phil 3:12
puts them into practice Matt 7:24
we obey his commands 1 John 3:22
obey the commandments Matt 19:17
obey what I command John 14:15
Listen to him Matt 17:5
will teach you all things John 14:26
all to put their religion into practice 1 Tim 5:4
one who sows to please Gal 6:8
doing good Gal 6:9
Live such good lives 1 Peter 2:12
Submit yourselves 1 Peter 2:12
Humble yourselves James 4:10
put on love col 3:14
put off your old self Eph 4:22
each will be rewarded according to his own labor. 1 Corinthians 3:8
Persevere in them 1 im 4:16
make every effort 2 Peter 1:5
I press on Phil 3:12
puts them into practice Matt 7:24
we obey his commands 1 John 3:22
obey the commandments Matt 19:17
obey what I command John 14:15
Listen to him Matt 17:5
will teach you all things John 14:26
all to put their religion into practice 1 Tim 5:4
one who sows to please Gal 6:8
doing good Gal 6:9
Live such good lives 1 Peter 2:12
Submit yourselves 1 Peter 2:12
Humble yourselves James 4:10
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For by grace you have been saved through faith, and THAT not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. Eph 2:8. That refers to the entire proceeding passage in the Greek. Paul says grace, salvation, and faith are all gifts of God. None of them are works. None are earned. That is what scripture teaches.
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Strange. I listed verses, have not made comments on them.
Some continually say we must not add to scripture, yet these comments are adding to
scripture. Putting it into context, Jonah and preaching to Nineveh is not enough,
repentance biblically defined is not enough.
So you see the truth. At one moment hyper legalism, then total lawlessness.
John describes things clearly
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
1 John 3
Some continually say we must not add to scripture, yet these comments are adding to
scripture. Putting it into context, Jonah and preaching to Nineveh is not enough,
repentance biblically defined is not enough.
So you see the truth. At one moment hyper legalism, then total lawlessness.
John describes things clearly
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
1 John 3
3 righteous behaviours
1. Faith righteousness
2. Heart righteousness
3. Action righteousness
We are saved by faith, which cleanses and purifies our heart which is shown in our behaviour.
8 Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
James 4
1 Since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that
contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.
2 cor 7
3 Everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as he is pure.
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
1 John 3
8 "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the word of faith
we are proclaiming:
9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God
raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10
17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly
obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted.
18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness
Rom 6
10 For, "Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from
evil and his lips from deceitful speech.
11 He must turn from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it.
12 For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous and his ears are attentive to their
prayer, but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil."
1 Peter 3
11 Dear friend, do not imitate what is evil but what is good. Anyone who does what
is good is from God. Anyone who does what is evil has not seen God.
3 John 1
1. Faith righteousness
2. Heart righteousness
3. Action righteousness
We are saved by faith, which cleanses and purifies our heart which is shown in our behaviour.
8 Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
James 4
1 Since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that
contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.
2 cor 7
3 Everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as he is pure.
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
1 John 3
8 "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the word of faith
we are proclaiming:
9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God
raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10
17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly
obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted.
18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness
Rom 6
10 For, "Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from
evil and his lips from deceitful speech.
11 He must turn from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it.
12 For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous and his ears are attentive to their
prayer, but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil."
1 Peter 3
11 Dear friend, do not imitate what is evil but what is good. Anyone who does what
is good is from God. Anyone who does what is evil has not seen God.
3 John 1