Speaking in Tongues: Its Origins [Ancient and Modern], Purpose, and Power

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Wansvic

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The following encourages praying in the Holy Ghost to build ones faith. To walk in love and to look for the mercy of Jesus unto eternal life. Surely this should and is still ongoing.

"But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." Jude 20-21
 
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7seasrekeyed: "You were caught, like all your friends here who continue to mock what they do not have and so they say it is not longer valid and probably because of the mockery they cannot obtain unless they would humble themselves, unable to answer why you thought Jesus should speak to a woman about tongues when Pentecost had not yet happened:

More than that, they are blaspheming the Holy Spirit by the standards established in the NT church (see Didache 11). The NT repeatedly commands us to "pray in the Spirit" and speaking in tongues is an important way to do that. And since the NT makes it clear that the gift of tongues is intended for future generations, these have-not critics are implying that the Holy Spirit is not up to the challenge of honoring His promises! But these critics will eventually realize that their disdain for the Spirit's gifts is precisely the reason for their impoverished inner life and lack of intimacy with the Lord.
 
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Wansvic said:
The following encourages praying in the Holy Ghost to build ones faith.
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"But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
... Jude 20
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Romans 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
 
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MadHermit said:
7seasrekeyed: "You were caught, like all your friends here who continue to mock what they do not have and so they say it is not longer valid and probably because of the mockery they cannot obtain unless they would humble themselves, unable to answer why you thought Jesus should speak to a woman about tongues when Pentecost had not yet happened:

More than that, they are blaspheming the Holy Spirit by the standards established in the NT church (see Didache 11). The NT repeatedly commands us to "pray in the Spirit" and speaking in tongues is an important way to do that. And since the NT makes it clear that the gift of tongues is intended for future generations, these have-not critics are implying that the Holy Spirit is not up to the challenge of honoring His promises! But these critics will eventually realize that their disdain for the Spirit's gifts is precisely the reason for their impoverished inner life and lack of intimacy with the Lord.
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No mockery of any kind, this is a discussion on tongues. I've challenged various posters misrepresentation of many verses, the mixing and matching scripture, ignoring context, audience relevance and time frames.

I see you are doing a similar thing in your statement "The NT repeatedly commands us to "pray in the Spirit".

Looking at the context we can see you not understanding and misusing scripture:

(1 Cor 14:14-16 If I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unproductive.

What should I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind. I will sing praises with my spirit, but I will also sing praises with my mind.

Otherwise, if you are praising God with your spirit, how can someone without the gift say "Amen" to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you are saying)

Mishandling scripture does not help your claim.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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azamzimtoti said:
No mockery of any kind, this is a discussion on tongues. I've challenged various posters misrepresentation of many verses, the mixing and matching scripture, ignoring context, audience relevance and time frames.

I see you are doing a similar thing in your statement "The NT repeatedly commands us to "pray in the Spirit".

Looking at the context we can see you not understanding and misusing scripture:

(1 Cor 14:14-16 If I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unproductive.

What should I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind. I will sing praises with my spirit, but I will also sing praises with my mind.

Otherwise, if you are praising God with your spirit, how can someone without the gift say "Amen" to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you are saying)

Mishandling scripture does not help your claim.
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So we are blaspheming the HS are we??

I see quite a few believe that I am still waiting for one of them to show me where the bible says a person who has been saved by faith in the work of God for their salvation, will end up in hell because they do not believe modern day tongues are from God.

I have yet to see one verse or passage, But we get mocked all the time..and I guess that is ok?

They hurt themselves with these silly arguments which are not biblical. They do not help themselves or their cause.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Wansvic said:
The following encourages praying in the Holy Ghost to build ones faith. To walk in love and to look for the mercy of Jesus unto eternal life. Surely this should and is still ongoing.

"But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." Jude 20-21
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This does not say pray in tongues.
Changing the meaning of a passage does not help your cause either, it hurts it

People pray in the spirit every day without making a sound.
 
Wansvic

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"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Cor 2:12-14
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Wansvic said:
"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Cor 2:12-14
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Once again, This does not say tongues, if this is what you are trying to say.

It says they do not use words men would use (mans knowledge) but words God would use (Spiritual knowledge)

But the natural man can not understand these words (of God) because they are foolishness to him.
 
Wansvic

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eternally-gratefull said:
Once again, This does not say tongues, if this is what you are trying to say.

It says they do not use words men would use (mans knowledge) but words God would use (Spiritual knowledge)

But the natural man can not understand these words (of God) because they are foolishness to him.
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The scripture indicates that there are biblical concepts that can only be understood via the Spirit. Individual's must seek and receive the Holy Spirit for spiritual teaching/understanding to occur.
 
Wansvic

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eternally-gratefull said:
This does not say pray in tongues.
Changing the meaning of a passage does not help your cause either, it hurts it

People pray in the spirit every day without making a sound.
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"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Tim 3:16-17
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Wansvic said:
The scripture indicates that there are biblical concepts that can only be understood via the Spirit. Individual's must seek and receive the Holy Spirit for spiritual teaching/understanding to occur.
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Yes,

And this can go for everything

Trying to use this to support ones believe should not be used, because it assumes what one believes is biblical in the first place.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Wansvic said:
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Tim 3:16-17
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And?

It still does not say tongues..so using strawman such as these verses thinking they support you is not helping you any.
 
Wansvic

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eternally-gratefull said:
Yes,

And this can go for everything

Trying to use this to support ones believe should not be used, because it assumes what one believes is biblical in the first place.
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Everyone should pursue receiving the infilling of the Holy Ghost. As the scripture states truth is discerned through the Spirit.
 
Wansvic

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eternally-gratefull said:
And?

It still does not say tongues..so using strawman such as these verses thinking they support you is not helping you any.
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My point is all scripture is to be examined and, when encouraged to do something, acted upon in faith. In doing so one can come to a conclusion regarding truth concerning biblical concepts. Just because an individual has not experienced the infilling of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues does not mean that it is not a Godly principle.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Wansvic said:
Everyone should pursue receiving the infilling of the Holy Ghost. As the scripture states truth is discerned through the Spirit.
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You know whats awesome?

Unlike in the OT, Gods people today do not have to pursue this, It is given to them the day they come to Christ. I for one praise God for this. And for the fact I KNBOW God the HS has been working in me and on me since day one.

It is one of the many promises God gives to all who believe. Not wure why you would want to pursue something you were supposed to receive at salvation?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Wansvic said:
My point is all scripture is to be examined and, when encouraged to do something, acted upon in faith. In doing so one can come to a conclusion regarding truth concerning biblical concepts. Just because an individual has not experienced the infilling of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues does not mean that it is not a Godly principle.
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Well. Yes, I agree, We need to stick to the word

And the word says ALL who believe are GIVEN the HS as a pledge or as a SEAL. No one was promised that at this this time they would speak in tongues or have any other miraculous gift. (Although we see scripturlly that som did, yet this does not mean ALL WILL!

But they all have experienced the infilling of the HS no matter what as God promised, If they have not. Again, How can they be saved (Since God promised this gift of the Holy Spirit TO ALL, and ON ALL who believe)

So see, its not a godly principle. It is just somethig you believe, so again, This passage does not support you at all. I would not even use it. Because it is nothing but an ad hominem or strawman argument, which really does not prove what you say is true..
 
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Wansvic said:
Everyone should pursue receiving the infilling of the Holy Ghost. As the scripture states truth is discerned through the Spirit.
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yeah you have a problem right there

if you don't believe the gifts are still operative today and especially denounce and spit on tongues, why would you do that?

what was Paul thinking anyway?

the nerve of the man. you would think he had some special unction from God or something

disclaimer: not intended for anyone to get in a snit over, whether living or dead or something in between

not responsible for personal reactions as not intended for personal interpretation

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eternally-gratefull

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For the sake of all who read

Disagreeing with the fact that we need to SEEK or ASK for somethign that God promised everyone anyway has nothingn at all to do with the fact that one does not believe in certain gifts.

Maybe one day some people will realize this fact and stop making nonsensical arguments as a means to attack those who do not agree with them, and instead, try to stick to the word as many people on both sides of this discussion have tried to do.

I pray we all agree with this. Belittling others as a means to puff yourself up does not help yourself or your cause.
 
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