Not By Works
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FALSE STATEMENT ALERT ^^^^^^^^^^^I asked HIM if YOU were still going on about it......nice try....
The word "SOME" is not in the quote.
Let me show who the liar is...
Where is the word "SOME" in the bolded sentence, Deceiver. Why are you saying things and denying them
- dcontroversal said:
So what.......you have still proved nothing except in your mind.......and I will say it again.....
1. A person can be saved for years without bearing fruit....<--the bible and nature teaches this truth
2. At what point does one stop being a son by birth...NEVER
3. Works are the result of the gift of faith and salvation....<----a period of growth and maturity is required before one bears anything
Get your facts straight...you are looking like a fool......
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That's bringing it up again, and that was after GB9 had already finished discussing the matter.
SO can a new believer give a testimony that God can use to produce fruit through him? Yes or no.
and where is the word "some" in the bolded statement .<----a period of growth and maturity is required before one bears anything
Why did you lie and add the word "some" after the fact?
You better go back and read the entire thread pal......serious............this topic has been covered many times.....
Doesn't answer the question...
Can a new believer give a testimony that God can use to produce fruit through him or her?
Or support a ministry prayerfully and financially, in which case fruit abounds to their account? (philippians 4:17)
or offer the sacrifice of praise, which is the fruit of our lips?Hebrews 13:15
or bear the fruit of the Spirit.?
A simple yes or no will do
It's right there in black and white. The word "some" is not in statement I quoted. You added it after the fact. You now want to change what you said.
Ad hominems do not help your cause.
Dishonesty is misquoting yourself by changing "it takes a period of growth and maturity" to "for some it takes period of growth and maturity". Two different statements. Too bad your lie is right here in black and white.
Yet you cannot produce on quote that shows me lying.
DO you see the word ALL in the above quote......and NOTE what I said in MID FEB.....and again I ASK>........DOES a gran of wheat when planted have to GROW before it produces a head of GRAIN.....YES or NO
[QUOTE="dcontroversal, ]He has had a personal vendetta against me because I rightfully said that it takes years of growth and maturity for one to bear fruit....I did not say ALL and or qualify it in any way.....and he has incessantly mouthed about it.........I have no time for idiocy[/QUOTE]
Did not lie about anything pal....I know what i have said in this thread.....and I also know what words I have and have not used....like I said read the entire thread.....I am not the only one that sees your inability to actually be honest
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Do you know the difference between a necessary condition and a possible condition.
If you had said "it may take a period of growth" that is a possible condition.
But you didn't
You said "IT TAKES a period of growth to bear anything"
Nothing about it takes some a period of growth or it may take a period of growth. You are adding that now.
I thought you said nature shows that it takes (universal affirmation) a period of growth to bear fruit.
Are you retracting that now?
My argument has ALWAYS been that it does not NECESSARILY take a period of growth and maturity. You castigated me and insulted me for saying it. Now you are saying the same thing
The statement "it takes a period of maturity and growth to bear fruit" is stating a necessity, not a contingency.
If you wanted to state a contingency, you would have said "it MAY take a period of growth and maturity" or "for some it may take a period of growth and maturity"
When I brought this fact up before MANY TIMES, you did not correct me or argue about it. You are now, because your statement has been shown to be bogus. So now you have to change it.