Rapists Cannot Be Saved

[HistoryPrincess]

This is a sad thread. One thing is for certain, I'm glad HistoryPrincess isn't the Lord.

I'm not sure she even knows what the cross was, and what Jesus did, or that SHE too is a filthy sinner that is destined to hell without Jesus.

She needs to read the parable of the guy that we forgiven a huge sum, only to be harsh and unforgiving toward someone who couldn't pay him back.

Since he wouldn't forgive, he will be tortured until he relays every cent owed to the 1st man. Since he can NEVER repay, he will be tortured forever.

Ya get what Jesus is teaching here?

Excuse me?? Don't you dare think you know what's going on in my life and what I go through.

You should read the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus.

 

[Didymous]

No, we KNOW the reason. The prince of this world currently is Satan. When God created Adam and Eve, he gave them rule over the world, and when they fell, they gave that right to Satan. When God was saying to Satan about Job, "All that he has is within your power," he was not giving him permission but stating a simple fact.

That quote "The Lord gives and the Lord takes away," is one of the most grossly misunderstood verses in the bible. The Lord gives and Satan takes away. Job had no idea Satan existed.

Besides, given your logic, why should we stop bad people from doing bad things?

Now you seem to imply that God couldn't stop satan. Sounds like the teachings of Al Capp. While satan may be the prince of this world, it still belongs to God. I've seen prayer move God to do great things here on earth. I have yet to see your method do much of anything. What are you trying to accomplish?

 

[HistoryPrincess]

Now you seem to imply that God couldn't stop satan. Sounds like the teachings of Al Capp. While satan may be the prince of this world, it still belongs to God. I've seen prayer move God to do great things here on earth. I have yet to see your method do much of anything. What are you trying to accomplish?

No. God is sovereign, but not in the way a lot of people think. He knows the outcome of things, but he's bound by his own law of love to allow for free will. God can restrict himself if he wants.

 

[seoulsearch]

I at least didn't have to turn in my own father as a pastor I know about did. When he was told what his father did, he believed them. Do you know how rare that is nowadays? Can you imagine how devastating that must've been for him? But he didn't let his love for his father cloud his judgment.

You are right in that I can only imagine how terrible it must have been for everyone involved.

Any time someone does the right thing, it's truly an act of courage--thanks be to God that this man chose to do the right thing.

I don't know how often you read other people's posts here, but there have been stories right here on CC in which people have the courage to turn in their parents, spouses, etc. for the same thing. Maybe you might want to take the time to read some of their stories if you come across them?

 

[blue_ladybug]

What do we do when someone has cancer? We don't try to rehabilitate the cancerous cells. We EXCISE them with chemotherapy.

Not always. My cancer didn't require chemotherapy. Not all people can be rehabilitated. Some yes, but the majority, nope.

 

[HistoryPrincess]

People, I'm gonna leave this chat for now with one word.

You do NOT know me. Don't even THINK you know what's going on in my head. I've been a Christian for 7 1/2 years. I had theology spoon-fed to me since I was born. I KNOW what I'm talking about.

You all keep asking me what my mission is. To be honest, I'm still trying to discover that for myself. Sometimes I say things I shouldn't when I get this angry. All I know is that God is not going to ask me how many likes I got for my post. He's going to ask me if I cared about the oppressed, and I do.

But I also recognize that I too am a human being with limits. I'm going through struggles of my own and I can't always handle enormous amounts of empathy (that may be one reason I continue to struggle with depression).

All I want at least is to have a voice. I want to know that God cares about what I think about all this. Just because I get angry doesn't mean I'm not a Christian. God has some HARSH words to say for evildoers, especially those who masquerade as Christians. You may not like that, but it's not my fault that the truth is ugly.

 

[seoulsearch]

All I want at least is to have a voice. I want to know that God cares about what I think about all this. Just because I get angry doesn't mean I'm not a Christian. God has some HARSH words to say for evildoers, especially those who masquerade as Christians. You may not like that, but it's not my fault that the truth is ugly.

The truth IS ugly... especially for people who won't listen to it.

You keep assuming that it's everyone else who is going to have a problem hearing or accepting the truth, without seeming to realize that you're having a hard time grasping those ugly truths for yourself.

I wish you the best, History Princess... Until next time, because I know this won't be the last time you post a thread about this, and we'll still be here. God bless until then.

 

[JustEli]

I'm gonna be frank history princess. you are full of it, and yourself. We all deserve hell and damnation. To commit one
sin is as bad as the next. Except blasphemy of the holy spirit.
You have set yourself as a judge over your fellow man, a precarious place to sit.

empathy? not even close. empathy does not stop with the abused.

now Im going to put you on ignore.

 

[HistoryPrincess]

The truth IS ugly... especially for people who won't listen to it.

You keep assuming that it's everyone else who is going to have a problem hearing or accepting the truth, without seeming to realize that you're having a hard time grasping those ugly truths for yourself.

I wish you the best, History Princess... Until next time, because I know this won't be the last time you post a thread about this, and we'll still be here. God bless until then.

Thank you for understanding.

I don't want to make excuses, but I have Aspergers and I have a different way of mentally processing things than most people.

 

[HistoryPrincess]

I'm gonna be frank history princess. you are full of it, and yourself. We all deserve hell and damnation. To commit one
sin is as bad as the next. Except blasphemy of the holy spirit.
You have set yourself as a judge over your fellow man, a precarious place to sit.

empathy? not even close. empathy does not stop with the abused.

now Im going to put you on ignore.

Now who's setting themselves up as a judge?

 

[Adelia]

This is a sad thread. One thing is for certain, I'm glad HistoryPrincess isn't the Lord.

I'm not sure she even knows what the cross was, and what Jesus did, or that SHE too is a filthy sinner that is destined to hell without Jesus.

She needs to read the parable of the guy that was forgiven a huge sum, only to be harsh and unforgiving toward someone who couldn't pay him back just a pittance.

Since he wouldn't forgive, he will be tortured until he repays every cent owed to the 1st man. Since he can NEVER repay, he will be tortured forever.

Ya get what Jesus is teaching here?

I am not going to get into ad hominem tactics. I like Luke 9:50. I cannot judge salvation; only fruit. Scripture tells me also to remember I was once one of them. We are at different places in our walks. If one is saved they are given a new heart and will go through the sanctification process along with everyone else. At salvation God sees the righteousness of Christ in me; not filthy rags.

 

[PennEd]

People, I'm gonna leave this chat for now with one word.

You do NOT know me. Don't even THINK you know what's going on in my head. I've been a Christian for 7 1/2 years. I had theology spoon-fed to me since I was born. I KNOW what I'm talking about.

You all keep asking me what my mission is. To be honest, I'm still trying to discover that for myself. Sometimes I say things I shouldn't when I get this angry. All I know is that God is not going to ask me how many likes I got for my post. He's going to ask me if I cared about the oppressed, and I do.

But I also recognize that I too am a human being with limits. I'm going through struggles of my own and I can't always handle enormous amounts of empathy (that may be one reason I continue to struggle with depression).

All I want at least is to have a voice. I want to know that God cares about what I think about all this. Just because I get angry doesn't mean I'm not a Christian. God has some HARSH words to say for evildoers, especially those who masquerade as Christians. You may not like that, but it's not my fault that the truth is ugly.

We only know of you by what you present here. And it's harsh, judgemental, and unforgiving. How bout giving us some joy, Grace and love?

 

[HistoryPrincess]

We only know of you by what you present here. And it's harsh, judgemental, and unforgiving. How bout giving us some joy, Grace and love?

I could ask you the same question.

 

[PennEd]

I could ask you the same question.

reread my 1st post to you here. I'd like nothing more than to give you grace and love. You make that hard with an unforgiving heart.

 

[Susanna]

After reading this thread, including my own posts, I’d say we’ve all just contributed in making this the thread of judges.

 

[HistoryPrincess]

reread my 1st post to you here. I'd like nothing more than to give you grace and love. You make that hard with an unforgiving heart.

Do I? Or is it just a heart that grieves with the oppressed and wishes they could take it away and see justice is served?

 

[HistoryPrincess]

Look everyone, I know I have a lot to learn, and I say things I probably shouldn't have. I often feel like I don't have a voice, or that it doesn't matter since I don't come from money and influence. Prayer alone just isn't enough sometimes.

 

[Didymous]

Yeah, I said it. If anyone wants to prove me otherwise, come at me.

Rapists are no longer human and do not deserve our sympathy or even salvation. Yes. I said it. Rapists are monsters deserving of the lowest depths of hell. I hope they fry and I hope they rot.

How would you feel if someone forced you to drink, raped you brutally, took a video of it, showed it around the school, had everyone in the school viciously bully you and tell you to murder yourself? Yeah, that happened. It still happens.

People like that honestly don't even deserve to live. They deserve their suffering and their misery. They deserve to be handed over to Satan and slowly beaten to a bloody pulp and their heads split open.

I think you have great empathy for others, and that's a good thing, as I already noted. The problem I see is your writing seems to come from a place of great anger and condemnation. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish, but I do want to know. I also noticed that your writing seemed calmer as you interacted more with others on here. I understand the passion, but I can't understand what seems like condemnation. I'm hoping you can make your intentions clearer, so we can know what you want.

 

[Lynx]

This reminds me so much of the men I know who spend so much of their time complaining about women who take advantage of men, and use the legal system to do it.

HistoryPrincess you need to find one of those men and marry him. Then you can both spend the rest of your lives complaining about each other.

 

[seoulsearch]

After reading this thread, including my own posts, I’d say we’ve all just contributed in making this the thread of judges.

Thank you for this, Susanna.

I'm actually grateful for this thread because it's been a good opportunity for my own personal self-reflection. I realize I've come across exactly the same way in many of my threads and posts and it's something that I definitely need to work on in my own heart.

History Princess, I want to apologize to you for being so harsh in this thread.

I understand what it's like to need to be heard and I thank you for being gracious enough to allow me to be heard as well.

I hope you'll keep on talking to us.