Not By Works

[FollowHisSteps]

here is your problem- all this is spin to avoid what sin really is.

and, the love of God does reign in my heart- I love truth, I seek truth, I seek facts.
I refuse to live in world where I let my feelings and emotions control my reality.

I accept facts, I do not change them to suit my personal delusions, as do you.

Here is the problem summarised perfectly for me.
We are completely moulded by our feelings and emotions. They define our reality.
The only thing we can do, is begin to understand which feelings and emotions ground
us. When we know what they are, we can then begin to move forward as we choose,
rather than being controlled by things that are hidden from us.

This is the gospel, being freed from the prison of slavery to sin and death.
By declaring one is free while still being bound all one is doing is declaring ones own
lostness and lack of control. And of course everything one claims is right in this context,
because anything else will be dismissed, but not knowing why.

It is why Jesus is so amazing and listening to Him is the beginning of salvation, another
perspective at work. Thank you Jesus for your truth and your perspective bringing us life
eternal, Amen.

 

[dcontroversal]

here is your problem- all this is spin to avoid what sin really is.

and, the love of God does reign in my heart- I love truth, I seek truth, I seek facts.
I refuse to live in world where I let my feelings and emotions control my reality.

I accept facts, I do not change them to suit my personal delusions, as do you.

AMEN..........All delusions.......

a. I don't sin
b. I am so righteous I help maintain salvation
c. I can lose salvation by what I do or don't do
d. I must help JESUS keep me saved
e. I bear fruit instantly
f. I need numerous things like works, immersion, speaking in some mumbo jumbo to be saved

etc.....The list of the religionists and Cainologists is LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONGGGGGGGGG and false too boot!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1. you have been banned from here at least 2 times, and came back under different names. clear conscience ?

2. I do not need your help, if anything, you need mine. I have given you the definition of sin many times, you reject it.
how can you claim to have a clear conscience when you do not call sin what it is....

He is the only one who called grace servants legalists also.

 

[dcontroversal]

And you would be wrong

Jesus said the law of love does not break any command. And in context that would be any But we do not love perfectly like he did, Thats why we can’t claim we are perfect.

If your just focused on ten. You do not even yet understand what sin is. The “ten” were just a base guideline to prove we can not even keep these ten.. How can we claim we are righteous if we can not keep ten?

I am amazed at how many false religionists believe they actually keep the law eve though it is as clear as a bell per Romans 3 that the LAW DEEMS all guilty........they are as deluded as a pack of Kool Aid mixed with 4 times as much water as needed...........that which deems GUILT is beyond the ability of men to keep and exactly why the righteousness of CHRIST without the deeds and works of the LAW must be imputed by faith.....JESUS is the ONLY MAN to ever keep it.......and all others are liars....!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am amazed at how many false religionists believe they actually keep the law eve though it is as clear as a bell per Romans 3 that the LAW DEEMS all guilty........they are as deluded as a pack of Kool Aid mixed with 4 times as much water as needed...........that which deems GUILT is beyond the ability of men to keep and exactly why the righteousness of CHRIST without the deeds and works of the LAW must be imputed by faith.....JESUS is the ONLY MAN to ever keep it.......and all others are liars....!

I think They honestly believe they keep it. Like the pharisee,, If christ came today, They would deny him also. Because jesus would tell them the same thing he told the pharisee

 

[dcontroversal]

He is the only one who called grace servants legalists also.

There are about 4 to 5 that I have to keep on ignore, because I blow my top when I see the absolute anti-biblical drivel they post and blather on about......One thing I have noticed.....there is NO honesty and or integrity in those that peddle religion, works, a losable salvation and or some sinless perfectionist law keeping drivel.....they have NO problem embellishing, changing, twisting the word and or falsely accusing those who believe in eternal security of promoting a life of sin and do as we please lies....very deceptive......!!!!

 

[dcontroversal]

I think They honestly believe they keep it. Like the pharisee,, If christ came today, They would deny him also. Because jesus would tell them the same thing he told the pharisee

I fully agree.....puffed up in pride................very deceptive, deceived and lacking any spiritual insight......

 

[Rosemaryx]

Here is the problem summarised perfectly for me.
We are completely moulded by our feelings and emotions. They define our reality.
The only thing we can do, is begin to understand which feelings and emotions ground
us. When we know what they are, we can then begin to move forward as we choose,
rather than being controlled by things that are hidden from us.

This is the gospel, being freed from the prison of slavery to sin and death.
By declaring one is free while still being bound all one is doing is declaring ones own
lostness and lack of control. And of course everything one claims is right in this context,
because anything else will be dismissed, but not knowing why.

It is why Jesus is so amazing and listening to Him is the beginning of salvation, another
perspective at work. Thank you Jesus for your truth and your perspective bringing us life
eternal, Amen.

I have learned a lot , and I am still reminded that I do not go by my emotions , they are fickle and change like the wind...
It is freedom when we take our eyes off ourselves and fix them on Jesus , His words over my emotions any day , emotions can bring all kinds of troubles...xox...

 

[dcontroversal]

the servant who does not do his duty is cast out of the household

Well......Jesus said......

a. I will never leave thee or forsake the
b. I will lose nothing
c. All that the Father gives me I will in no wise CAST OUT

Your premise is full of holes!!!

 

[dcontroversal]

A

I have learned a lot , and I am still reminded that I do not go by my emotions , they are fickle and change like the wind...
It is freedom when we take our eyes off ourselves and fix them on Jesus , His words over my emotions any day , emotions can bring all kinds of troubles...xox...

AMEN ROSE>....glad you can see right through the false religion that binds the hands of men and leaves them no hope and in fear by the drivel they peddle........!!!!

 

[dcontroversal]

are you pure? have nothing, not one bad thing ?

or, could it be that this is a goal to aim at? or, it could it mean that we are not to let sin turn us away from God?

keep thinking that you can one day never sin again while still in the flesh. keep believing Jesus only forgives and does not save.

all self-delusional lies.

AMEN.............he definitely walks around in fantasy land........deluded and deceived.....

 

[dcontroversal]

1. you have been banned from here at least 2 times, and came back under different names. clear conscience ?

2. I do not need your help, if anything, you need mine. I have given you the definition of sin many times, you reject it.
how can you claim to have a clear conscience when you do not call sin what it is....

AMEN....it seems we have more than a few coming back.........and they are still deluded..........

 

[FollowHisSteps]

AMEN..........All delusions.......

a. I don't sin
b. I am so righteous I help maintain salvation
c. I can lose salvation by what I do or don't do
d. I must help JESUS keep me saved
e. I bear fruit instantly
f. I need numerous things like works, immersion, speaking in some mumbo jumbo to be saved

etc.....The list of the religionists and Cainologists is LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONGGGGGGGGG and false too boot!!

The biggest delusion is simply believing by knowing Jesus you have eternal life.
There is a problem

19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.
20 You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?
James 2:19-20

If one believes like a demon, behaves like a demon, accusing the brethren of evil where there
is none, talks like a demon, full of blasphemy, heresy, lies, and false accusation, and lives in
self indulgence and greed, who are we to deny what one is?

 

[dcontroversal]

Well.....back in the U.S. now...went about 30 hours without sleep....got some rest...a little jet lagged.....thanks for prayers for safe trip....good to be back on my pc instead of phone HAHAHH....

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I have learned a lot , and I am still reminded that I do not go by my emotions , they are fickle and change like the wind...
It is freedom when we take our eyes off ourselves and fix them on Jesus , His words over my emotions any day , emotions can bring all kinds of troubles...xox...

When we talk about emotions we often mean different things.
However we are in the moment, at peace, rested in the Lord, knowing His presence and trusting
in Him this is reflected by our emotions. Other feelings can come along and upset us, distract
us from this foundation. So when we talk we often talk about the distractions and changes to
our state as emotions and our background as neutral.

All the emotions connected with God and His word and communion brings us peace and resolution.
So it is the connection with the Lord and His emotional healing that is crucial to see and learn.

So we know Jesus is the fountain of life, and we feel it. Knowing this brings us freedom, knowing
whatever we are scared of or cause us issues, Christ can conquer in our hearts as we walk in Him.
Oddly what we call facts, have impact because we know they matter so will emotionally take priority
over other things. It is why we need to believe, because it empowers the very work of God in our
hearts, because what for others is just an idea, or a thought, is reality and we will change because of
it.

God bless you

 

[FollowHisSteps]

A
AMEN ROSE>....glad you can see right through the false religion that binds the hands of men and leaves them no hope and in fear by the drivel they peddle........!!!!

"no hope and in fear" - Do I sound like I live with no hope and in fear?

So if you think that you have not met true believers in Christ.
Christ has conquered death and sin through the cross

54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the
mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true:
"Death has been swallowed up in victory."
55 "Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?"
56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
1 Cor 15:54-56

But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment.
The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
1 John 3:18

I have come to see in the language of those who hold a pure heart is not
necessary, love is not something they grasp, or dying for the brothers and
sisters in Christ, but rather an impossible aspiration.

Not for those who have Christs heart in their heart, Amen.

 

[gb9]

Here is the problem summarised perfectly for me.
We are completely moulded by our feelings and emotions. They define our reality.
The only thing we can do, is begin to understand which feelings and emotions ground
us. When we know what they are, we can then begin to move forward as we choose,
rather than being controlled by things that are hidden from us.

This is the gospel, being freed from the prison of slavery to sin and death.
By declaring one is free while still being bound all one is doing is declaring ones own
lostness and lack of control. And of course everything one claims is right in this context,
because anything else will be dismissed, but not knowing why.

It is why Jesus is so amazing and listening to Him is the beginning of salvation, another
perspective at work. Thank you Jesus for your truth and your perspective bringing us life
eternal, Amen.

if you think that your feelings and emotions determine reality , and that exploring them more deeply makes us more Godly, then there is no point in me or anyone else trying to converse with you.

truth and honesty should control our reality , not feelings and emotions.

I can say I am 7 feet tall and weigh 300 pounds, and really , truly , deeply , emotionally feel like I am, but if the STANDARDS of weights and measures do not say I am, then I am not, no matter how strongly I * feel.

you sin when you do what the word means. that is the standard, the word definition, not your emotions.

your emotions do NOT determine what is sin and what is not. the definition of the word does.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

if you think that your feelings and emotions determine reality , and that exploring them more deeply makes us more Godly, then there is no point in me or anyone else trying to converse with you.
truth and honesty should control our reality , not feelings and emotions.
I can say I am 7 feet tall and weigh 300 pounds, and really , truly , deeply , emotionally feel like I am, but if the STANDARDS of weights and measures do not say I am, then I am not, no matter how strongly I * feel.
you sin when you do what the word means. that is the standard, the word definition, not your emotions.
your emotions do NOT determine what is sin and what is not. the definition of the word does.

You seem to be missing the point. Sin is actions that God has defined show we are in rebellion
against Him and creation. These things are meant to be objective and obvious.

The reasons behind why we sin or break these boundaries lie within us, our hearts and motivations.
It appears that you do not accept these simple realities which Jesus lays bare.

And it is our emotions that determine our response. A hard heart is simply one that will not change
and refuses to accept something is wrong. God declares as sinners we need to be born again, to
be remade and restart how we interact, to reset everything inside our hearts and lives.

Jesus and the cross is the foundation of love, the building of a new person in Him.
It is obvious to me, you are unchangeable and locked into who you are, and refuse to accept any
fundamental shifts. But this is why repentance is so life changing, it is asking us to become someone
different, to abandon our old ways and walk in the ways of the Spirit.

And this very discussion demonstrates how our views of our hearts, the foundations of who we are,
determine what in Christ we can become. God bless you, I pray you might hear and see what I am
sharing, and I just praise God He has set me free in His great love.

38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,
39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Rom 8:38-39

17 And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love,
18 may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ,
19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge--that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.
Eph 3:17-19

This to me seems so obvious, but obviously to understand it you need to have your heart open
and be prepared to be transformed by the Holy Spirit and the cross.

 

[Rosemaryx]

You seem to be missing the point. Sin is actions that God has defined show we are in rebellion
against Him and creation. These things are meant to be objective and obvious.

The reasons behind why we sin or break these boundaries lie within us, our hearts and motivations.
It appears that you do not accept these simple realities which Jesus lays bare.

And it is our emotions that determine our response. A hard heart is simply one that will not change
and refuses to accept something is wrong. God declares as sinners we need to be born again, to
be remade and restart how we interact, to reset everything inside our hearts and lives.

Jesus and the cross is the foundation of love, the building of a new person in Him.
It is obvious to me, you are unchangeable and locked into who you are, and refuse to accept any
fundamental shifts. But this is why repentance is so life changing, it is asking us to become someone
different, to abandon our old ways and walk in the ways of the Spirit.

And this very discussion demonstrates how our views of our hearts, the foundations of who we are,
determine what in Christ we can become. God bless you, I pray you might hear and see what I am
sharing, and I just praise God He has set me free in His great love.

38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,
39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Rom 8:38-39

17 And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love,
18 may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ,
19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge--that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.
Eph 3:17-19

This to me seems so obvious, but obviously to understand it you need to have your heart open
and be prepared to be transformed by the Holy Spirit and the cross.

I have to be honest , the trial I am going through with my son , if I allowed my emotions as his mother get in the way of what God is revealing to me , I would not be doing as God said to do " Be still "
I have been down this same road with my son , and went through it letting my emotions as his mum get in the way instead of trusting God , our emotions are not reliable...

My love and care I have for my son are worldly , compared to Gods love and care , so I leave it in Gods hands and love my son and care for him as God is loving and caring for me , we are to follow our LORD , not our emotions...

Sorry for harping on about this , some days I am an emotional wreck lol...xox...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have to be honest , the trial I am going through with my son , if I allowed my emotions as his mother get in the way of what God is revealing to me , I would not be doing as God said to do " Be still "
I have been down this same road with my son , and went through it letting my emotions as his mum get in the way instead of trusting God , our emotions are not reliable...

My love and care I have for my son are worldly , compared to Gods love and care , so I leave it in Gods hands and love my son and care for him as God is loving and caring for me , we are to follow our LORD , not our emotions...

Sorry for harping on about this , some days I am an emotional wreck lol...xox...

Far to many people think emotions should rule us.. When in reality, most times, they are decieving us as to what is reality