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newton3003

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The Old Testament doesn’t give much discussion to the subject of Heaven as a place to go. Except for some scattered passages such as Psalm 23:6 which provides the hope of dwelling “in the House of the Lord forever,” Psalm 73:24 which says “You guide me with your counsel, and afterward YOU WILL RECEIVE ME TO GLORY.,” and Isaiah 25:6-9 in which God saves those who waited for Him, there is not much beyond. Sure, the Old Testament is expansive on the topic of Heaven when it comes to its physical aspects, such as in Genesis in which God made “the heavens,” and Psalm 19:1 which says, “The heavens declare the glory of God…” in other words, Heaven being discussed in a physical nature, there is little mention of Heaven as a destination.

The New Testament says a lot about Heaven as being a destination for the souls of those whom God has deemed to be righteous. In a sense, though, considering Heaven is mentioned as a destination, although sparsely, in the Old Testament, it seems that the New Testament has not just accepted Heaven as a destination, it has usurped the idea.

How so? Well, there are passages in the New testament that imply that the souls destined for Heaven have been asleep in their bodies in their graves until Jesus came along to lead them. 1 Thessalonians 4:14 says, “For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep.” Jesus says in John 5:25-29 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man. Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all WHO ARE IN THE TOMBS will hear his voice and come out, THOSE WHO HAVE DONE GOOD TO THE RESURRECTION OF LIFE, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.”

The latter passage above would imply that for centuries people who died had slept in their graves instead of going to the House of the Lord, and instead of being saved by God. It’s as if God waited until he gave His son Jesus, before saving those who deserve to be saved. It is interesting that while the Old Testament mentions the Messiah, the idea doesn’t work its way into the few passages that mentions Heaven as a destination. Psalm 23:6 doesn’t say ‘I shall dwell in the House of the Lord forever WHEN THE MESSIAH APPEARS,’ for instance. Neither does Isaiah 25:6-9 say that God will save when the Messiah appears.

Perhaps the Old Testament may imply that the presence of the Messiah is needed, if, as inferred in 2 Timothy 3:16 even the whole Old Testament must be taken into account, not just some passages.

One question that some of us who seek understanding may ponder…If Jesus was sent to save us, then why did God wait so long? Perhaps there is an answer?
 

JaumeJ

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Check the varied original language words for heaven or heavens. Sometimes it is simpy the sky, the stars and moon and sun.

I am not looking for it right not but usually the word in Hebrew is Shamiim or HaShamaiim. Alos if you paid attention you will find there are differenlt levels of heaven in the upper spheres to and through what we think of as space..

It is pretty simmple to differentiate by the usage of the word.
 

Lanolin

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Interesting topic.

Why did God wait so long, cos He is patient and merciful and wants all to come to repentence? Because of sin to reach its fullness?

The OT does mention 'the life to come' or 'the next world' and the 'coming prince' as indications that there will be something more. After the glorious kingdoms of dAvid and Solomon, Israel was split and divided and went rapidly downhill from there. Many many kings came after but the kingdom was divided and it was all strife and bickering amonst the once glorious nation of Israel, with brother against brother. So when they got taken into capitivity by Babylon, that wasnt a surprise, it was just the working out of the curse God put on them for disobeying Him.

Actually the Lord does say that He is salvation and will send a redeemer, but only after great trials and tribulations, read the book of Lamentations where israel is brought so low that they are crying out for God to hear them and save them.
DAvid is saying he will dwell in the house of the Lord forever..well hes talking about his physical temple that he was wanting to build but actually Solomon built it. But we know that while David had a great reign as King he himself wasnt the Messiah, he actually could have been, but his sin disqualified him.

The new heaven, isnt presented as just an 'idea'. JEsus reveals to us in the book of revelation that Hes actually opened heaven for us, as he is the door. Before Jesus, there was no way anyone could enter the Kingdom. Hes preparing it for us.

Some things to think about!
 

Didymous

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Interesting topic.

Why did God wait so long, cos He is patient and merciful and wants all to come to repentence? Because of sin to reach its fullness?

The OT does mention 'the life to come' or 'the next world' and the 'coming prince' as indications that there will be something more. After the glorious kingdoms of dAvid and Solomon, Israel was split and divided and went rapidly downhill from there. Many many kings came after but the kingdom was divided and it was all strife and bickering amonst the once glorious nation of Israel, with brother against brother. So when they got taken into capitivity by Babylon, that wasnt a surprise, it was just the working out of the curse God put on them for disobeying Him.

Actually the Lord does say that He is salvation and will send a redeemer, but only after great trials and tribulations, read the book of Lamentations where israel is brought so low that they are crying out for God to hear them and save them.
DAvid is saying he will dwell in the house of the Lord forever..well hes talking about his physical temple that he was wanting to build but actually Solomon built it. But we know that while David had a great reign as King he himself wasnt the Messiah, he actually could have been, but his sin disqualified him.

The new heaven, isnt presented as just an 'idea'. JEsus reveals to us in the book of revelation that Hes actually opened heaven for us, as he is the door. Before Jesus, there was no way anyone could enter the Kingdom. Hes preparing it for us.

Some things to think about!

No, David couldn't have been the messiah.
 

Lanolin

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No, David couldn't have been the messiah.
Well no of course not, but people were obviously looking for a saviour and at one point of time, it looked like it was going to be him. He was anointed. But king after king came and went and Israel was still plagued with sin.