Not By Works

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UnderGrace said:
Mr. M which fruit are you speaking about there are different fruit in the scripture?
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It doesn't MATTER. He said it takes a period of growth and maturity to produce ANYTHING. SO you name it, any kind of fruit, that is included in ANY FRUIT. Or are we going to change the meaning of any like Budman changed the meaning of the word inspect

I expect atheists and antitheists to change meanings of words to suit their arguments, but it is truly sad to see Christians do so.
 
dcontroversal said:
Listen Macaroni.....I am not inspecting fruit, but rather his false losable salvation dogma...get your facts straight Cainologist....!!
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Calling me a Cainologist is inspecting my fruit...and getting it wrong. I do not believe in works salvation. If you say I do, you are inspecting my fruit and you are getting it wrong
 
dcontroversal said:
Amen......It is finished = Paid in full.......Seoche obviously has no inkling that it is an accounting term.....one of many things he has no idea of....!
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Yes, Jesus paid our sin debt in full, but He did not purchase indulgences for us.

No one is claiming to be sinless. We are stating biblical principles. You are not arguing with us, you are arguing with the Bible

No one says salvation is by works. No one says grace through faith alone is not sufficient to save. What we are saying is what the Bible says that there are many whose faith is not genuine. Jesus said by your fruits you shall know them. John said he who says he knows Him and does not keep His commandments is a liar. Jesus said a foolish man built his house upon the sand.

These are the things we are saying. you are arguing with the Bible, not us.

We accept ALL of what the Bible teaches.
 
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Macabeus said:
It doesn't MATTER. He said it takes a period of growth and maturity to produce ANYTHING. SO you name it, any kind of fruit, that is included in ANY FRUIT. Or are we going to change the meaning of any like Budman changed the meaning of the word inspect

I expect atheists and antitheists to change meanings of words to suit their arguments, but it is truly sad to see Christians do so.
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Well actually it does matter if you want to discuss scripture, since fruit has different meanings depending upon the context.

The use of the word fruit is not always about the fruits of the Spirit , it can refer to doctrine, converts etc., ....so context is crucial.

Until I know which one there is no point discussing.
 
UnderGrace said:
Well actually it does matter if you want to discuss scripture, since fruit has different meanings depending upon the context.

The use of the word fruit is not always about the fruits of the Spirit , it can refer to doctrine, converts etc., ....so context is crucial.

Until I know which one there is no point discussing.
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He said it takes a period of growth and maturity for a believer to bear ANYTHING

which is basically sayng that a believer cannot bear ANYTHING until they have been saved a while.
 
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Macabeus said:
Calling me a Cainologist is inspecting my fruit...and getting it wrong. I do not believe in works salvation. If you say I do, you are inspecting my fruit and you are getting it wrong
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Cainologist is a reference to doctrine held by someone, we are allowed to review and judge a person's doctrine.
 
Macabeus said:
He said it takes a period of growth and maturity for a believer to bear ANYTHING

which is basically sayng that a believer cannot bear ANYTHING until they have been saved a while.
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Well I do not know that for sure, since that is your interpretation. I do not think anyone really defined which fruit was being addressed.
 
A fruit inspector is one who pushes works, and is to busy tryign to figure out if people are saved by the fruit of their labor (works) instead of out trying to win souls to christ.It is usually a sign of a deep pride in how great of a person they are and how much they love God proven by all their works. And a lack of humility in seeing how sinful they are, and if left outside of grace would die in their sins.
 
UnderGrace said:
Well I do not know that for sure, since that is your interpretation. I do not think anyone really defined which fruit was being addressed.
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If I say I do not eat any meat, are you going to ask me what kind of meat I am talking about? Probably not, because the word all makes it an all inclusive statement doesn't it?
 
Macabeus said:
Just like when Jesus said YOU WILL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUIT.

Checkmate
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Yes, but I do not see a check mate???

You never stipulated "doctrine" so you did not define what you were referring to either.

This is about discerning who is a false prophet not who is saved anyway...so again we are not looking for a saved status in a person.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
A fruit inspector is one who pushes works, and is to busy tryign to figure out if people are saved by the fruit of their labor (works) instead of out trying to win souls to christ.It is usually a sign of a deep pride in how great of a person they are and how much they love God proven by all their works. And a lack of humility in seeing how sinful they are, and if left outside of grace would die in their sins.
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Agree, it is "religion"
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
A fruit inspector is one who pushes works, and is to busy tryign to figure out if people are saved by the fruit of their labor (works) instead of out trying to win souls to christ.It is usually a sign of a deep pride in how great of a person they are and how much they love God proven by all their works. And a lack of humility in seeing how sinful they are, and if left outside of grace would die in their sins.
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Number one, that does not describe the word inspected, number two, I am not doing any of that, and number three, you are inspecting my fruit
 
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