And the earth was without form, and void;

[ToBelieveToTrust]

I'm writing a book on my interoperation of events and in no way do i wish to offend anyone if it does in anyway. I'm just wanting to test the waters with what ive writen to far and see if its actually worth continuing. Basically please post your opinions for me, they would be grately appresiated no matter the context, thank you and god bless.

In the beginning god created the heaven and the earth. We are all so familiar with the start of Genesis which tells us how our heavenly father created everything we know and love today, he created life.
To think in 7 human days sounds a bit ludicrous to some, others not so much, science does tell us that it was thousands and thousands of years of evolution and that god didn't click his fingers and the world appeared.
I am a christian and i also believe in science, in my mind i read genesis in a way that made total sense of the whole situation. A day for a god is a thousand to a human.
God is evolution, he is the spark in the universe that created life, shaped the mountains and carved the rivers deep. God took a long time to make his world perfect, so if we look at the creation in that perspective it makes complete sense. At least to me it does, see that's the beauty of the bible, you can interoperate what you wish, its holy relatable and is fitting for all who accept it into there lives.

 

[KnowMe]

Before the invention of the mechanical clock, measuring time was a bit elusive on rainy and cloudy days and nights and as well in the evening and morning there’s about 18 minutes of light before sunrise and sunset no matter the condition of the weather, a period of unknown length of time to them, they used sun dials and counted stars at night to tell daily time.

 

[Rasputin_OZ]

There was evening and morning before the Sun and moon were formed. So the measure of time is obviously irrelevant in those versus.

 

[Hungry]

I'm writing a book on my interoperation of events and in no way do i wish to offend anyone if it does in anyway. I'm just wanting to test the waters with what ive writen to far and see if its actually worth continuing. Basically please post your opinions for me, they would be grately appresiated no matter the context, thank you and god bless.

In the beginning god created the heaven and the earth. We are all so familiar with the start of Genesis which tells us how our heavenly father created everything we know and love today, he created life.
To think in 7 human days sounds a bit ludicrous to some, others not so much, science does tell us that it was thousands and thousands of years of evolution and that god didn't click his fingers and the world appeared.
I am a christian and i also believe in science, in my mind i read genesis in a way that made total sense of the whole situation. A day for a god is a thousand to a human.
God is evolution, he is the spark in the universe that created life, shaped the mountains and carved the rivers deep. God took a long time to make his world perfect, so if we look at the creation in that perspective it makes complete sense. At least to me it does, see that's the beauty of the bible, you can interoperate what you wish, its holy relatable and is fitting for all who accept it into there lives.

If you are going to write a book according to your interpretation who is your audience? There’s not enough science for acedemics and not enough scripture for the zealots. Pick an audience and write to them. As far as the content goes, I disagree. I don’t believe that the earth was created all lush and teeming with life in six days, but neither is there any proof for evolution. Evolution is based on adaptation and happenstance, completely contrary to God. The Bible states, in the beginning was the Word. The “Word” is translated from “logos” where we get the word logic from. It means structure, order and purpose....not happenstance. It’s like DNA for humans. God may or may not have created the earth in a week, I don’t know, but it was definitely a predetermined finished product.

 

[KnowMe]

The composition of dirt is probably a indication of what man was created from.

 

[Rasputin_OZ]

MY thoughts on the first verses...

A big gap between
Genesis 1:1 (KJV)
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

and

Genesis 1:2 (KJV)
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

But just my thoughts

 

[Deuteronomy]

I'm writing a book on my interoperation of events and in no way do i wish to offend anyone if it does in anyway. I'm just wanting to test the waters with what ive writen to far and see if its actually worth continuing. Basically please post your opinions for me, they would be grately appresiated no matter the context, thank you and god bless.

In the beginning god created the heaven and the earth. We are all so familiar with the start of Genesis which tells us how our heavenly father created everything we know and love today, he created life.
To think in 7 human days sounds a bit ludicrous to some, others not so much, science does tell us that it was thousands and thousands of years of evolution and that god didn't click his fingers and the world appeared.
I am a christian and i also believe in science, in my mind i read genesis in a way that made total sense of the whole situation. A day for a god is a thousand to a human.
God is evolution, he is the spark in the universe that created life, shaped the mountains and carved the rivers deep. God took a long time to make his world perfect, so if we look at the creation in that perspective it makes complete sense. At least to me it does, see that's the beauty of the bible, you can interoperate what you wish, its holy relatable and is fitting for all who accept it into there lives.

Hi ToBelieveToTrust, I see that you're pretty new around here, so first off, welcome to CChat

I must say that I've never heard the phrase, "God is evolution" before. On one hand your beliefs seem similar to those of a Deist, but on the other (if I am understanding what you are saying correctly), not so much, because a Deist would be opposed to God having any direct/continuing* involvement with His creation once He'd set the universe in motion, so to speak (such as being the One who shaped the mountains and carved the deep rivers*). Or do you mean instead that God "created evolution" when He created the universe and then walked away to let all things take their natural course? (which would be a Deist belief)

I have some questions for you if you don't mind.

1. Why do you believe that God decided to, "take a long time to make His world perfect"? Was He perhaps incapable of bringing a finished creation into existence?​

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2. Assuming that God is evolution, or that He created evolution to bring the universe into existence over billions of years (instead of creating it in the manner described in Genesis 1-3), then why the subterfuge? What was God's purpose in telling us a "fairy tale" instead of telling us the truth? What was His purpose in doing so do you think, and how was telling us a false story about our origins beneficial, either to us and/or to Him?​

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3. Do you believe that God eventually brought the human race, as we know it today, into existence via evolution (instead of through the creation of our Biblical progenitors, Adam and Eve)?​

Thanks!

~Deut

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I'm writing a book on my interoperation of events and in no way do i wish to offend anyone if it does in anyway. I'm just wanting to test the waters with what ive writen to far and see if its actually worth continuing. Basically please post your opinions for me, they would be grately appresiated no matter the context, thank you and god bless.

In the beginning god created the heaven and the earth. We are all so familiar with the start of Genesis which tells us how our heavenly father created everything we know and love today, he created life.
To think in 7 human days sounds a bit ludicrous to some, others not so much, science does tell us that it was thousands and thousands of years of evolution and that god didn't click his fingers and the world appeared.
I am a christian and i also believe in science, in my mind i read genesis in a way that made total sense of the whole situation. A day for a god is a thousand to a human.
God is evolution, he is the spark in the universe that created life, shaped the mountains and carved the rivers deep. God took a long time to make his world perfect, so if we look at the creation in that perspective it makes complete sense. At least to me it does, see that's the beauty of the bible, you can interoperate what you wish, its holy relatable and is fitting for all who accept it into there lives.

well I don't see 7 24hr days either...however science actually refers to millions of years with regards to earth forming etc

the verse in II Peter you refer to (1000 days) is not actually a reference to creation and should not be taken as a mathematical formula wherein we arrive at 7000 years for creation ... if you care to read further, here's a link with regards to understanding how that is actually meant LINK this link is to 'creation.com' and they do see creation as 7 24 hr cycles but I thought the explanation for the 1000 yr reference was solid

God creates. It is His nature and take a look at how things are set in motion by Him. like creates more of the same...rabbits do not produce turkeys and so on. He sets in motion laws of creation that follow the pattern He decrees.

I am not an evolutionist per se and I do not agree that God 'is evolution'. I do not think the world around us bears up under that

I would also caution you on your thought that we can interpret the Bible as we see fit because the Bible itself does not agree with that statement.

frankly, following down that path, one could excuse any behavior and state a personal understanding of scripture as the basis for said behavior...and people actually do that

so again, while I do not believe in 7 24 hr days, I am firm on scripture revealing God to us, His plan for mankind and the final end of this world

 

[KnowMe]

MY thoughts on the first verses...

A big gap between
Genesis 1:1 (KJV)
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

and

Genesis 1:2 (KJV)
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

But just my thoughts

I’ve thought of 1:1 as a intro of sorts.

hydrogen and helium.

 

[Rasputin_OZ]

I’ve thought of 1:1 as a intro of sorts.

hydrogen and helium.

Not what the Hebrew words are trying to express no. it refers to the whole of the SKYS and the Land . not just elements.

Gods creation is always perfect in its day of creation , same as Satan was , until pride was found within him , same as ADAM until he chose to sin.

 

[Deuteronomy]

Whoops, sorry about question #2 in my post above @ToBelieveToTrust. I didn't finish editing what I wanted to say there before our CChat 5 minute (editing) time limit was up. It's close enough though, so I'll leave it as is for now and see what you have to say

~Deut

 

[KnowMe]

Not what the Hebrew words are trying to express no. it refers to the whole of the SKYS and the Land . not just elements.

Gods creation is always perfect in its day of creation , same as Satan was , until pride was found within him , same as ADAM until he chose to sin.

Yes indeed, for that is all they knew, nothing of elements, even the other solar system planets was referred to as wondering stars, they had no concept of molecular things or the vastness of the universe.

 

[Rasputin_OZ]

and yet they gave reasons for every star in heaven. …

You seem to think they just made the story up. God reavealed his Creation to the writer, not the writer guessing. So if it was God revealing he would have let them know more about it .

Don't use science when God himself says it is only by FAITH that we can know him. Science will never find the secrets of Gods creation,

 

[KnowMe]

and yet they gave reasons for every star in heaven. …

You seem to think they just made the story up. God reavealed his Creation to the writer, not the writer guessing. So if it was God revealing he would have let them know more about it .

Don't use science when God himself says it is only by FAITH that we can know him. Science will never find the secrets of Gods creation,

Thanks for the conversation on our computer science devices.

 

[posthuman]

There was evening and morning before the Sun and moon were formed. So the measure of time is obviously irrelevant in those versus.

i wouldn't say the measure is irrelevant.

in fact, if it's not the measure you're familiar with, it's particularly relevant, because it tells you that there another measure exists, so if you don't know it already, it could mean that any number of the things you thought you knew how to measure, you measured wrong.

 

[KnowMe]

 

[Rasputin_OZ]

Thanks for the conversation on our computer science devices.

I did not say Science has no purpose, if that was your meaning, only that Science cannot prove not disprove God.

I have had a through education and a Degree in Chemistry and Physics, but choose to use that for my work not my Faith.

As I said to an unbeliever once. He tells me that something cannot be created from nothing and that matter has always existed. I bleeive that God has always existed. One day one of us will be probed wrong I said to him. IfIm wrong it wont matter, if he is wrong it matters a lot. All come down to what we put our faith in

 

[Hungry]

Here is a question for you science minded people. We all know that the sun at sunrise and sunset doesn’t change colour. It appears red because the through instead of above the atmosphere (longer distance) it causes resistance of the electromagnetic waves limiting the amount getting through so the red are visible not the white. Now, if there is no atmosphere in space, and nothing to resist the electromagnetic waves at all, would they remain above ultra violet and undetectable to the visual spectrum? The reason I ask is that might explain why until the plants generated enough O2 in the atmosphere the stars and sun were undetectable even though light (energy waves) existed prior.

 

[KnowMe]

Here is a question for you science minded people. We all know that the sun at sunrise and sunset doesn’t change colour. It appears red because the through instead of above the atmosphere (longer distance) it causes resistance of the electromagnetic waves limiting the amount getting through so the red are visible not the white. Now, if there is no atmosphere in space, and nothing to resist the electromagnetic waves at all, would they remain above ultra violet and undetectable to the visual spectrum? The reason I ask is that might explain why until the plants generated enough O2 in the atmosphere the stars and sun were undetectable even though light (energy waves) existed prior.

First what plants do you think produce the most oxygen on earth?

 

[Rasputin_OZ]

From Space photo graphs showing the sun I guess you can see it .