Eternal Security/OSAS is Bad Doctrine

[gb9]

I believe there are 2 reasons for the warning verses.

First, some of them relate to a loss of rewards, position, and and possibly inheritance. The prodigal son is a good example of someone who is going to BE in the kingdom, yet he BLEW his inheritance. He's there as a resident, but like refugee losing everything in a disaster he has nothing but the clothes on his back. His older obedient brother gets "all that the Father has". We tend to think of Heaven as "Ahhh, I made it! That's good enough for me!" Yet in light of eternity what happens at the Bema seat of Christ will be HUGE!


Secondly, I believe many of those verses are there to test yourself, and make sure you HAVE become a born again Child of God.
You SAY you are a Christian? FANTASTIC!! Is there a change in your life? Do you honestly love people? Do you abhor sin? Do you seek to spread the Gospel and help people with your talents and treasure?
These are all great questions we should be asking ourselves because I do agree that there are some who have deceived themselves into thinking they are good to go.

But I will say this, this unending debate does tend to sharpen tongues on both sides. And I for one, regret that. It always means I need to spend more time in the prayer request forums. Be Blessed

that is spot on!! nailed it!!

 

[John146]

i will not even entertain such arguments dear friend, i say it in love. its the same merry go round

how many good works, how much sin is too much, works salvation, its not of works, not by works of righteousness we have done, saved by faith. everyone knows these verses and all the how many good works argument is just philosophy. there are other verses in the bible also.

people can never earn their way to heaven, God's grace is always needed. titus 2:11 says God's grace has appeared to all men teaching us to deny godliness and worldly lusts in this present evil world. but if we choose to disregard God's grace, that is not God's fault.

contrary to the false accusation from osad camp, those who have repented are not boasting in their works and their hearts are humbled, godly sorrow gets rid of pride.

the godly sorrow repentance humbles the heart, and the heart wants to yield to Christ and obey Him, its second nature, born again, not skin of their teeth works. my yoke is easy. his commands not heavy.

Question: What does it take for a new believer to go onto good works and obedience?

 

[Melach]

Question: What does it take for a new believer to go onto good works and obedience?

faith

 

[John146]

faith

What if they lack faith or walk away from the faith like Demas?

Faith in what? One must hear the word of God to have faith.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

The new believer has "the Spirit" and the fruit OF the Spirit (HIS FRUIT), is:

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith..." Galatians 5:22


[see also Galatians 5:25; 1Th5:19; Eph4:30]

 

[Melach]

What if they lack faith or walk away from the faith like Demas?

Faith in what? One must hear the word of God to have faith.

if they have no faith they are not saved.yes faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

 

[John146]

if they have no faith they are not saved.yes faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

There are many believers in this world with no Bible, no church, no spiritual influence whatsoever...do you think these believers are going to walk after the Spirit of after the flesh?

 

[Melach]

There are many believers in this world with no Bible, no church, no spiritual influence whatsoever...do you think these believers are going to walk after the Spirit of after the flesh?

after the Spirit

you dont need a church or bible to be saved. you need the Holy Spirit.

how do you think people got saved before anyone had a bible or knew how to read? God knows how to save people. He is always near to those who draw nigh unto him. praise His holy name!

 

[oldethennew]

thanks, you are both on the same page...

 

[John146]

after the Spirit

you dont need a church or bible to be saved. you need the Holy Spirit.

how do you think people got saved before anyone had a bible or knew how to read? God knows how to save people. He is always near to those who draw nigh unto him. praise His holy name!

I’m not talking about salvation. I’m talking about living for the Lord after being saved.