A NON-CHARISMATIC UNDERSTANDING OF TONGUES
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You are misquoting me. I was quoting scripture found in Acts 2:3.
1 ¶ And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 ¶ And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
1 ¶ And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 ¶ And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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And the application of the scripture when properly or biblically interpreted. You deal with your behavior between you and God.
My objection is that you are interpreting and applying the scripture to support the behavior not behaving as scripture and the Holy Spirit teaches.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
My objection is that you are interpreting and applying the scripture to support the behavior not behaving as scripture and the Holy Spirit teaches.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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NO IT IS NOT. When the APOSTLES DID IT, TONGUES were Earthly Languages from every part of the KNOW WORLD, where JEWS had Migrated. They were UNBELIEVING JEWS, and Heard in their native Dialect, the Mighty Works of GOD. How do I know those specific rules are the ONLY TYPE OF TONGUES that are REAL?
Malachi 3:6 (ESV)
6 “For I the LORD do not change;
therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.
The Ecstatic Gibberish is NOT AN EARTHY LANGUAGE.
It is NOT SPOKEN TO UNBELIEVERS of ISRAEL.
It is NOT To Validate NEW WORDS, the became our NEW TESTAMENT.
It is NOT to EDIFY OTHERS, IT IS TO EDIFY SELF, WHICH IS FORBIDDEN.
Acts 2:5-16 (ESV)
5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven.
6 And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language.
7 And they were amazed and astonished, [because Galileans were known to have a strong accent, and they could not detect it,]
saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans?
8 And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language?
9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome,
11 both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.”
12 And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?”
13 But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.”
14 But Peter, standing with the eleven, [only the eleven APOSTLES spoke in GENUINE TONGUES,]
lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words.
15 For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.
16 But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:
1 Corinthians 14:21-22 (ASV)
21 In the law it is written, By men of strange tongues [.the ELEVEN APOSTLES,] and by the lips of strangers will I speak unto this people [.ISRAEL]; and not even thus will they hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to the unbelieving: but prophesying is for a sign, not to the unbelieving, but to them that believe.
Mark 16:20 (ASV)
20 And they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word by the signs that followed. Amen.
1 Corinthians 10:23-24 (ASV)
All things are lawful; but not all things are expedient. All things are lawful; but not all things edify.
Let no man seek his own [edification], but each his neighbor's good.
1 Corinthians 14:4 (ASV)
4 He that speaketh in a tongue edifieth himself;
but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
Paul gave a CLEAR MESSAGE that NO ONE WAS TO EDIFIETH HIMSELF, but the Pentecostal and Charismatic Churches never paid attention to what PAUL said less than for chapter earlier. A letter with NO VERSE NUMBERS INCLUDED. Paul wrote 1 Corinthians to Straighten out SEVERAL PROBLEMS IN CORINTH, including Abuse of tongues. INCLUDING:
1 Corinthians 12:2-3 (ESV)
2 You know that when you were pagans you were led astray to mute idols, however you were led.
3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.
That is obvious that someone who had learned to speak in tongues in the worship of one of the Mystery Religions, such as APOLLO, thought he could that, and out came the Curse which the speaker could not understand, but THANKFULLY some one in the Congregation understood that LANGUAGE. So one of the Elders wrote to Paul that he needed to straighten the MESS out.
This is a map of the City Center in Corinth, which was destroyed in November 856, an earthquake in Corinth killed an estimated 45,000, and it was never rebuilt. The Church at Corinth was meeting at the home of a Jewish Believer who was still worshiping at the Synagogue of the Hebrews. Paul was staying with the home owner, and Taught at the Synagogue for some time, before they got kicked the out of the Synagogue. See the Bema, upper left Corner; they think that is where Paul continued to teach after they got kicked out of the Synagogue. I have seen other maps that were 180 degrees the other way, so I do not know which is right. The Synagogue of the Hebrews, was a mystery until a few years ago. Corinth was destroyed by an earthquake and never rebuilt. An Archaeologist found a flat stone on the Lechaion Way, one of the main Streets that lead into the City Center, about where the dot for the Lechaion Way is. Apparently, he is the FIRST person that Every turned that stone over since the Destruction of Corinth in the massive earthquake in 856. To his amazement, it was a sign that said Synagogue of the Hebrews. That pinpoints where the Church met when it first started. Synagogue of the Hebrews is the building with line running across the roof, labeling Lechaion Way. And the smaller house next door just to the south, was where on Paul stayed while a small congregation met their as home Church.
Acts 18:7 (HCSB)
7 So he left there and went to the house of a man named Titius Justus, a worshiper of God, whose house was next door to the synagogue.
Malachi 3:6 (ESV)
6 “For I the LORD do not change;
therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.
The Ecstatic Gibberish is NOT AN EARTHY LANGUAGE.
It is NOT SPOKEN TO UNBELIEVERS of ISRAEL.
It is NOT To Validate NEW WORDS, the became our NEW TESTAMENT.
It is NOT to EDIFY OTHERS, IT IS TO EDIFY SELF, WHICH IS FORBIDDEN.
Acts 2:5-16 (ESV)
5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven.
6 And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language.
7 And they were amazed and astonished, [because Galileans were known to have a strong accent, and they could not detect it,]
saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans?
8 And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language?
9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome,
11 both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.”
12 And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?”
13 But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.”
14 But Peter, standing with the eleven, [only the eleven APOSTLES spoke in GENUINE TONGUES,]
lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words.
15 For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.
16 But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:
1 Corinthians 14:21-22 (ASV)
21 In the law it is written, By men of strange tongues [.the ELEVEN APOSTLES,] and by the lips of strangers will I speak unto this people [.ISRAEL]; and not even thus will they hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to the unbelieving: but prophesying is for a sign, not to the unbelieving, but to them that believe.
Mark 16:20 (ASV)
20 And they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word by the signs that followed. Amen.
1 Corinthians 10:23-24 (ASV)
All things are lawful; but not all things are expedient. All things are lawful; but not all things edify.
Let no man seek his own [edification], but each his neighbor's good.
1 Corinthians 14:4 (ASV)
4 He that speaketh in a tongue edifieth himself;
but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
Paul gave a CLEAR MESSAGE that NO ONE WAS TO EDIFIETH HIMSELF, but the Pentecostal and Charismatic Churches never paid attention to what PAUL said less than for chapter earlier. A letter with NO VERSE NUMBERS INCLUDED. Paul wrote 1 Corinthians to Straighten out SEVERAL PROBLEMS IN CORINTH, including Abuse of tongues. INCLUDING:
1 Corinthians 12:2-3 (ESV)
2 You know that when you were pagans you were led astray to mute idols, however you were led.
3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.
That is obvious that someone who had learned to speak in tongues in the worship of one of the Mystery Religions, such as APOLLO, thought he could that, and out came the Curse which the speaker could not understand, but THANKFULLY some one in the Congregation understood that LANGUAGE. So one of the Elders wrote to Paul that he needed to straighten the MESS out.
This is a map of the City Center in Corinth, which was destroyed in November 856, an earthquake in Corinth killed an estimated 45,000, and it was never rebuilt. The Church at Corinth was meeting at the home of a Jewish Believer who was still worshiping at the Synagogue of the Hebrews. Paul was staying with the home owner, and Taught at the Synagogue for some time, before they got kicked the out of the Synagogue. See the Bema, upper left Corner; they think that is where Paul continued to teach after they got kicked out of the Synagogue. I have seen other maps that were 180 degrees the other way, so I do not know which is right. The Synagogue of the Hebrews, was a mystery until a few years ago. Corinth was destroyed by an earthquake and never rebuilt. An Archaeologist found a flat stone on the Lechaion Way, one of the main Streets that lead into the City Center, about where the dot for the Lechaion Way is. Apparently, he is the FIRST person that Every turned that stone over since the Destruction of Corinth in the massive earthquake in 856. To his amazement, it was a sign that said Synagogue of the Hebrews. That pinpoints where the Church met when it first started. Synagogue of the Hebrews is the building with line running across the roof, labeling Lechaion Way. And the smaller house next door just to the south, was where on Paul stayed while a small congregation met their as home Church.
Acts 18:7 (HCSB)
7 So he left there and went to the house of a man named Titius Justus, a worshiper of God, whose house was next door to the synagogue.
So when the pastor I spoke of heard the Gospel in his own language telling him how to get saved explain to me what happened.
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Respectfully, this has nothing to do with Acts 2. You're asserting connections where none exist. Acts 2:3 says nothing about "sizzling fire". The fire was not consumptive in nature; nothing was "licked up" by the flames. Nothing is said of "thirst".
Allegorizing every component only leads you to speculation and fantasy, not to sound interpretation.
Allegorizing every component only leads you to speculation and fantasy, not to sound interpretation.
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8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
the miraculous gift of interpretation directly given by God on that day to kick-start the new covenant off with a bang -
three thousand souls believed and followed the express directions given by Peter as to what they needed to do to be saved!
the miraculous gift of interpretation directly given by God on that day to kick-start the new covenant off with a bang -
three thousand souls believed and followed the express directions given by Peter as to what they needed to do to be saved!
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I don't disagree that they had the approval of God, but I don't think the flames were a "sign" of that.
Here I disagree. You seem to be looking for the flame to represent something. Why should it have to represent anything? Why can it not simply be a physical manifestation of the Holy Spirit?
Here I disagree. You seem to be looking for the flame to represent something. Why should it have to represent anything? Why can it not simply be a physical manifestation of the Holy Spirit?
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If its prophecy then it is His interpretation by which we can believe Him. No Mr. in between needed . We are warned of those who say we do need a man seen to teach us. Its the MO of the anti-chrsits (many) according to 1 John 2:27-28.
The miraculous gift of interpretation directly given by God provides the daily bread of His word.
2 Peter 1:19-21 King James Version (KJV) We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
The miraculous gift of interpretation directly given by God provides the daily bread of His word.
2 Peter 1:19-21 King James Version (KJV) We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Yes fire, tongues like as of fire
A physical manifestation of the Holy Spirit that has no physical substance??
It was a vision that the Holy Spirit developed in Paul's fleshly mind that appeared as if it was literal physical manifestation But it must have a spiritual understanding. I would think a symbol of his approval the gospel .
A physical manifestation of the Holy Spirit that has no physical substance??
It was a vision that the Holy Spirit developed in Paul's fleshly mind that appeared as if it was literal physical manifestation But it must have a spiritual understanding. I would think a symbol of his approval the gospel .
Light and heat are physical, but you can't hold them in the palm of your hand. Don't get hung up on the wrong meaning of a word.
Paul wasn't even there. I don't believe it was merely a vision, because there is nothing in the passage suggesting that the tongues of fire were mere visions, and certainly nothing even hints that they all saw the same "vision" at the same time. There were tongues of fire visible to their eyes, not just to their minds.
Why must it? Where is it stated in Scripture that every physical thing mentioned in Scripture "must" have a spiritual understanding?
You're certainly welcome to speculate and even to share your speculations. However, please don't think that those speculations have any weight to them, and please don't base any doctrine on them.
Paul wasn't even there. I don't believe it was merely a vision, because there is nothing in the passage suggesting that the tongues of fire were mere visions, and certainly nothing even hints that they all saw the same "vision" at the same time. There were tongues of fire visible to their eyes, not just to their minds.
Why must it? Where is it stated in Scripture that every physical thing mentioned in Scripture "must" have a spiritual understanding?
You're certainly welcome to speculate and even to share your speculations. However, please don't think that those speculations have any weight to them, and please don't base any doctrine on them.
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Not the first time in scripture
Luke 3: 21-22
21 Now when all the people were baptized, and when Jesus also had been baptized and was praying, the heavens were opened,
22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form, like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son;
with you I am well pleased.”
Luke 3: 21-22
21 Now when all the people were baptized, and when Jesus also had been baptized and was praying, the heavens were opened,
22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form, like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son;
with you I am well pleased.”
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NO IT IS NOT. When the APOSTLES DID IT, TONGUES were Earthly Languages from every part of the KNOW WORLD, where JEWS had Migrated. They were UNBELIEVING JEWS, and Heard in their native Dialect, the Mighty Works of GOD. How do I know those specific rules are the ONLY TYPE OF TONGUES that are REAL?
Malachi 3:6 (ESV)
6 “For I the LORD do not change;
therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.
The Ecstatic Gibberish is NOT AN EARTHY LANGUAGE.
It is NOT SPOKEN TO UNBELIEVERS of ISRAEL.
It is NOT To Validate NEW WORDS, the became our NEW TESTAMENT.
It is NOT to EDIFY OTHERS, IT IS TO EDIFY SELF, WHICH IS FORBIDDEN.
Acts 2:5-16 (ESV)
5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven.
6 And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language.
7 And they were amazed and astonished, [because Galileans were known to have a strong accent, and they could not detect it,]
saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans?
8 And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language?
9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome,
11 both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.”
12 And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?”
13 But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.”
14 But Peter, standing with the eleven, [only the eleven APOSTLES spoke in GENUINE TONGUES,]
lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words.
15 For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.
16 But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:
1 Corinthians 14:21-22 (ASV)
21 In the law it is written, By men of strange tongues [.the ELEVEN APOSTLES,] and by the lips of strangers will I speak unto this people [.ISRAEL]; and not even thus will they hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to the unbelieving: but prophesying is for a sign, not to the unbelieving, but to them that believe.
Mark 16:20 (ASV)
20 And they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word by the signs that followed. Amen.
1 Corinthians 10:23-24 (ASV)
All things are lawful; but not all things are expedient. All things are lawful; but not all things edify.
Let no man seek his own [edification], but each his neighbor's good.
1 Corinthians 14:4 (ASV)
4 He that speaketh in a tongue edifieth himself;
but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
Paul gave a CLEAR MESSAGE that NO ONE WAS TO EDIFIETH HIMSELF, but the Pentecostal and Charismatic Churches never paid attention to what PAUL said less than for chapter earlier. A letter with NO VERSE NUMBERS INCLUDED. Paul wrote 1 Corinthians to Straighten out SEVERAL PROBLEMS IN CORINTH, including Abuse of tongues. INCLUDING:
1 Corinthians 12:2-3 (ESV)
2 You know that when you were pagans you were led astray to mute idols, however you were led.
3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.
That is obvious that someone who had learned to speak in tongues in the worship of one of the Mystery Religions, such as APOLLO, thought he could that, and out came the Curse which the speaker could not understand, but THANKFULLY some one in the Congregation understood that LANGUAGE. So one of the Elders wrote to Paul that he needed to straighten the MESS out.
This is a map of the City Center in Corinth, which was destroyed in November 856, an earthquake in Corinth killed an estimated 45,000, and it was never rebuilt. The Church at Corinth was meeting at the home of a Jewish Believer who was still worshiping at the Synagogue of the Hebrews. Paul was staying with the home owner, and Taught at the Synagogue for some time, before they got kicked the out of the Synagogue. See the Bema, upper left Corner; they think that is where Paul continued to teach after they got kicked out of the Synagogue. I have seen other maps that were 180 degrees the other way, so I do not know which is right. The Synagogue of the Hebrews, was a mystery until a few years ago. Corinth was destroyed by an earthquake and never rebuilt. An Archaeologist found a flat stone on the Lechaion Way, one of the main Streets that lead into the City Center, about where the dot for the Lechaion Way is. Apparently, he is the FIRST person that Every turned that stone over since the Destruction of Corinth in the massive earthquake in 856. To his amazement, it was a sign that said Synagogue of the Hebrews. That pinpoints where the Church met when it first started. Synagogue of the Hebrews is the building with line running across the roof, labeling Lechaion Way. And the smaller house next door just to the south, was where on Paul stayed while a small congregation met their as home Church.
Acts 18:7 (HCSB)
7 So he left there and went to the house of a man named Titius Justus, a worshiper of God, whose house was next door to the synagogue.
Malachi 3:6 (ESV)
6 “For I the LORD do not change;
therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.
The Ecstatic Gibberish is NOT AN EARTHY LANGUAGE.
It is NOT SPOKEN TO UNBELIEVERS of ISRAEL.
It is NOT To Validate NEW WORDS, the became our NEW TESTAMENT.
It is NOT to EDIFY OTHERS, IT IS TO EDIFY SELF, WHICH IS FORBIDDEN.
Acts 2:5-16 (ESV)
5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven.
6 And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language.
7 And they were amazed and astonished, [because Galileans were known to have a strong accent, and they could not detect it,]
saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans?
8 And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language?
9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome,
11 both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.”
12 And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?”
13 But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.”
14 But Peter, standing with the eleven, [only the eleven APOSTLES spoke in GENUINE TONGUES,]
lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words.
15 For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.
16 But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:
1 Corinthians 14:21-22 (ASV)
21 In the law it is written, By men of strange tongues [.the ELEVEN APOSTLES,] and by the lips of strangers will I speak unto this people [.ISRAEL]; and not even thus will they hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to the unbelieving: but prophesying is for a sign, not to the unbelieving, but to them that believe.
Mark 16:20 (ASV)
20 And they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word by the signs that followed. Amen.
1 Corinthians 10:23-24 (ASV)
All things are lawful; but not all things are expedient. All things are lawful; but not all things edify.
Let no man seek his own [edification], but each his neighbor's good.
1 Corinthians 14:4 (ASV)
4 He that speaketh in a tongue edifieth himself;
but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
Paul gave a CLEAR MESSAGE that NO ONE WAS TO EDIFIETH HIMSELF, but the Pentecostal and Charismatic Churches never paid attention to what PAUL said less than for chapter earlier. A letter with NO VERSE NUMBERS INCLUDED. Paul wrote 1 Corinthians to Straighten out SEVERAL PROBLEMS IN CORINTH, including Abuse of tongues. INCLUDING:
1 Corinthians 12:2-3 (ESV)
2 You know that when you were pagans you were led astray to mute idols, however you were led.
3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.
That is obvious that someone who had learned to speak in tongues in the worship of one of the Mystery Religions, such as APOLLO, thought he could that, and out came the Curse which the speaker could not understand, but THANKFULLY some one in the Congregation understood that LANGUAGE. So one of the Elders wrote to Paul that he needed to straighten the MESS out.
This is a map of the City Center in Corinth, which was destroyed in November 856, an earthquake in Corinth killed an estimated 45,000, and it was never rebuilt. The Church at Corinth was meeting at the home of a Jewish Believer who was still worshiping at the Synagogue of the Hebrews. Paul was staying with the home owner, and Taught at the Synagogue for some time, before they got kicked the out of the Synagogue. See the Bema, upper left Corner; they think that is where Paul continued to teach after they got kicked out of the Synagogue. I have seen other maps that were 180 degrees the other way, so I do not know which is right. The Synagogue of the Hebrews, was a mystery until a few years ago. Corinth was destroyed by an earthquake and never rebuilt. An Archaeologist found a flat stone on the Lechaion Way, one of the main Streets that lead into the City Center, about where the dot for the Lechaion Way is. Apparently, he is the FIRST person that Every turned that stone over since the Destruction of Corinth in the massive earthquake in 856. To his amazement, it was a sign that said Synagogue of the Hebrews. That pinpoints where the Church met when it first started. Synagogue of the Hebrews is the building with line running across the roof, labeling Lechaion Way. And the smaller house next door just to the south, was where on Paul stayed while a small congregation met their as home Church.
Acts 18:7 (HCSB)
7 So he left there and went to the house of a man named Titius Justus, a worshiper of God, whose house was next door to the synagogue.
No, you are stuck like a broken record on unbelieving Jews. Tongues wasn't only a sign to unbelieving Jews. It was in one instance but not every instance.
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Ok, What is this? The king jimmy?? Lol
The word cloven, or in other translations :divided” actually means divided into parts. Or different parts which are distributed.
“as of fire” is probably symbolic (they did not spew out or blow fire out of their mouths) used to denote that this distribution spread like wildfire.
Tongues - all the diverse or different languages whihc were distributed among the people by the HS.
What languages were distributed, as of fire?
Its in the text.
And how is it that we hear, each in our own [c]language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and [d]Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.”
If I am reading this right, there are approximately 16 diverse or as your version says “cloven” tongues distributed among the men of God by the HS, and the pwople all heard these diverse languages (spoke in our own native language) and were amazed, This drew them to here peters message, and 3000 plus people were saved.
I think thats pretty amazing. As for the other examples of tongues, Unless is states otherwise, I would suggest the same things happened to these people. Again, used as a sign to draw people to this NEW covenant God was giving to mankind based on his sons death.
Its also one of the drawbacks to using an older language bible.. It causes confusion because we have enough problems with them not translating words to todays language such as baptism and tongues, But these other words no one has even heard off..
The word cloven, or in other translations :divided” actually means divided into parts. Or different parts which are distributed.
“as of fire” is probably symbolic (they did not spew out or blow fire out of their mouths) used to denote that this distribution spread like wildfire.
Tongues - all the diverse or different languages whihc were distributed among the people by the HS.
What languages were distributed, as of fire?
Its in the text.
And how is it that we hear, each in our own [c]language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and [d]Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.”
If I am reading this right, there are approximately 16 diverse or as your version says “cloven” tongues distributed among the men of God by the HS, and the pwople all heard these diverse languages (spoke in our own native language) and were amazed, This drew them to here peters message, and 3000 plus people were saved.
I think thats pretty amazing. As for the other examples of tongues, Unless is states otherwise, I would suggest the same things happened to these people. Again, used as a sign to draw people to this NEW covenant God was giving to mankind based on his sons death.
Its also one of the drawbacks to using an older language bible.. It causes confusion because we have enough problems with them not translating words to todays language such as baptism and tongues, But these other words no one has even heard off..
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