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TheLearner

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eternally-gratefull said:
Is this a catholic chatroom?

I think people want to discuss what others think, Not what some church thinks.
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I am a historian and those who were taught by the Apostles taught what they learned from them which is the Trinity.
Their doctrine combination can not be found in the early church writings and they are reading their man made opinions into the bible.

I put out the following challenges to those who teach the late false doctrine known as modalism which the church refuted.

Go back and read the posts from Bowman's outline of the trinity, all of it and check the scriptures for yourself.

You need only google historical definition of the Trinity to see that it is three persons within one being known as God.

Prove your claims historically here: https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ose-who-do-not-believe-in-the-trinity.184052/

Prove your claims historically here: https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ose-who-do-not-believe-in-the-trinity.184052/

Prove your claims historically here: https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ose-who-do-not-believe-in-the-trinity.184052/
 
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TheLearner said:
I am a historian and those who were taught by the Apostles taught what they learned from them which is the Trinity.
Their doctrine combination can not be found in the early church writings and they are reading their man made opinions into the bible.

I put out the following challenges to those who teach the late false doctrine known as modalism which the church refuted.

Go back and read the posts from Bowman's outline of the trinity, all of it and check the scriptures for yourself.

You need only google historical definition of the Trinity to see that it is three persons within one being known as God.

Prove your claims historically here: https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ose-who-do-not-believe-in-the-trinity.184052/

Prove your claims historically here: https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ose-who-do-not-believe-in-the-trinity.184052/

Prove your claims historically here: https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ose-who-do-not-believe-in-the-trinity.184052/
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Um, The roman catholic church did not learn from the apostles..


The bible shows enough that God “Elohim” is plural and not one. Not sure we need to being a pagan church into the fold to prove it.
 
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Yikes... how did I land myself in here..?! Honestly, I need to pay more attention.

 
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Who said the early Church Fathers were Roman Catholic?

As I recall US Protestants claims Roman Catholicism came a lot later then them right?

I am simply using Historical Sources that are well documented.

Can you show any other historical sources other than the Bible from that time period?

Even the early Protestants quoted the same Sources I am? Correct?

If you think there are any other Historical Sources, Please present them in this other thread.
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ose-who-do-not-believe-in-the-trinity.184052/
 
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One Spirit; unified. Jesus has an eternal body. Holy Spirit and Father can manifest anyway they so desire but all three are One Spirit.
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And this is the suggestion in the OP; so you agree with the OP.
 
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TheLearner said:
You do not know what you are talking about because I already posted historical quotes of those who were taught by the Apostles themselves and by early church authorities that were taught by those who were taught by them.

Prove your claims historically here: https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ose-who-do-not-believe-in-the-trinity.184052/

Why would demons counterfeit was does not exist?
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I do not know and that's the reason i'm asking a very simple question:

Q. Is Jesus by Himself, one person in one being and one God?

Quoting those that you think were taught by the apostles and those after them doesn't help because the bible doesn't refer anyone to those that were taught by the apostles. It doesn't work like that, why would you refer to someone else outside the 66 books in the bible that are meant to explain the same?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Nope

God is one in unity..

Even the OT spoke of a triune God..
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The OT never says three persons in one being.
The OT also says a husband and wife are one in unity but we know what a husband and wife look like, they are two persons in two beings, aren't they?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
One in unity, Not one being

Get it right before you start attacking
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This is just another variant among other variants in trinity. And i'm not attacking, i'm only disagreeing.

One in unity doesn't describe 'One God'. One humanity doesn't mean one human, it can mean we are united as one species, bound by our humanity or some characters.
 
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TheLearner said:
you are misrepresenting the doctrine of the Trinity. A straw man with no merit.

Go back and read the posts from Bowman's outline of the trinity, all of it and check the scriptures for yourself.

You need only google historical definition of the Trinity to see that it is three persons within one being known as God.

Prove your claims historically here: https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ose-who-do-not-believe-in-the-trinity.184052/

Prove your claims historically here: https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ose-who-do-not-believe-in-the-trinity.184052/

Prove your claims historically here: https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ose-who-do-not-believe-in-the-trinity.184052/
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I don't understand you. What does Bowman say in a nutshell? does he have another description of God outside the bible?

I read the bible by myself and saw that Jesus promised the disciples a comforter but i realized a few things:

1. The comforter was already there with the disciples and they knew Him
2. But Jesus had to go so that the comforter would come in them (The disciples)
3. If Jesus doesn't go, the comforter doesn't come yet the comforter was there with them and they knew Him
4. Jesus would not leave them comfortless, He would return to the shortly

Anyone with a brain who cannot be swayed by every doctrine would easily notice that Jesus is claiming to be the comforter here. He had to go and come into them in a different form. If they are two different persons, why would Jesus say "..i must go for the comforter to come.."?
 
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JESUS GOD WITH US​
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For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (Isa 9:6 KJV)

The image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. (Col 1:15-17 KJV)

God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (1Ti 3:16 KJV)
 
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Noose said:
And this is the suggestion in the OP; so you agree with the OP.
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The OP is just a question. Are you meaning tourists post? If so, I guess I do.

You can take this or leave this because it's just an opinion. This came to me: if God ever had a moment in eternity which I can't see could happen, but if there was a moment that He first spoke, Word manifests produced by action of Word, Holy Spirit manifests. God is Spirit. Angels are Spirit. We too are Spirit now being born of Spirit. All one Spirit.

Something we cannot touch in our reality being outside of this natural realm.

Is this an answer? Or not?
 
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Noose said:
I don't understand you. What does Bowman say in a nutshell? does he have another description of God outside the bible?

I read the bible by myself and saw that Jesus promised the disciples a comforter but i realized a few things:

1. The comforter was already there with the disciples and they knew Him
2. But Jesus had to go so that the comforter would come in them (The disciples)
3. If Jesus doesn't go, the comforter doesn't come yet the comforter was there with them and they knew Him
4. Jesus would not leave them comfortless, He would return to the shortly

Anyone with a brain who cannot be swayed by every doctrine would easily notice that Jesus is claiming to be the comforter here. He had to go and come into them in a different form. If they are two different persons, why would Jesus say "..i must go for the comforter to come.."?
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Noose, are you saying that Holy Spirit had been with them because Jesus gave them authority to do miracles before His ressurection?
 
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Noose said:
This is just another variant among other variants in trinity. And i'm not attacking, i'm only disagreeing.

One in unity doesn't describe 'One God'. One humanity doesn't mean one human, it can mean we are united as one species, bound by our humanity or some characters.
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I can see your point and that's why I used the word unified. Not unity. It's echad in the OT. If you look at that in the scriptures, you may see something to explain this.
 
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Who said the early Church Fathers were Roman Catholic?

As I recall US Protestants claims Roman Catholicism came a lot later then them right?

I am simply using Historical Sources that are well documented.

Can you show any other historical sources other than the Bible from that time period?

Even the early Protestants quoted the same Sources I am? Correct?

If you think there are any other Historical Sources, Please present them in this other thread.
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ose-who-do-not-believe-in-the-trinity.184052/
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I would rather stick to the bible. It can be trusted.

You used a few roman catholic sources.
 
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TheLearner said:
Who said the early Church Fathers were Roman Catholic?

As I recall US Protestants claims Roman Catholicism came a lot later then them right?
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Ps. I am not a protestant, Saying I protest a particular church means I actually consider that church a church, That is far from the church (at least a church of God)

I am a child of God who is adopted into the royal family of God who just hapens to be part of a local church in Columbus Ohio.
 
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I can see your point and that's why I used the word unified. Not unity. It's echad in the OT. If you look at that in the scriptures, you may see something to explain this.
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Then help me understand, is the husband and wife also echad? and is the unification of the husband and wife similar to what we can describe God?
 
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stonesoffire said:
Noose, are you saying that Holy Spirit had been with them because Jesus gave them authority to do miracles before His ressurection?
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No, i'm saying the Holy spirit was with them because Jesus was with them and they knew Him, and when Jesus goes, the Holy spirit come in them because Jesus also comes to them shortly.
 
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