Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14
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No, not when either one is praying alone, or all together praying. See EG, we who do, are not confused. But, confusion is when those who don't are trying to understand Spirit by natural understanding. And we have Hollywood giving impressions of the supernatural as all demonic. Plus, the demonic having all power.
Fear is never faith.
There are two uses of tongues EG. What we call the gift of tongues is equal to prophecy in being a message to the individual fellowship from the Lord. But, because it needs to be interpreted or the fellowship not knowing what is said, it's the lesser in comparison to the gift of prophecy.
What I was talking about is individual prayer closet praying, or corporately. Then God prays His perfect will through us which we might not know or see, and pray amiss in our own understanding, That's the benefit.
Example, God is calling my son to step out in ministry. Me as His mother, am fearful of what might happen. He has a good job, etc. So I pray Lord don't let this happen, I need him at home, the cannibals might eat him...😘 Ect... understand? Probably a bad answer or example, but this is me. 🙂 God does move according to our faith. So we need to be careful with our prayers.
I do know of when a friend of mine finding out her husband was cheating, took a gun and was on the way to the woman's house to shoot her. A group of women were praying together in church, and saw in a vision what was being planned and got there before she arrived. Another advantage. Can this happen in a church without tongues? Of course. If one has been given the prophetic of visions and dreams interpretation. Another gifting of an office.
You have to accept what you may of been given for it to be profitable.
Another misunderstanding is prophecy. This is giving a message in the power of Holy Spirit at the moment of infilling. Smith Wigglesworth never made a sermon before a meeting. He would wait for the anointing, same as Kathryn Kulhman, and those giants of faith before us.
It's not a prepared sermon as often is given in churches.. But! One can hear before the service and write it down. These are the ways Holy Spirit moves.
I was raised in a Church of God, which teaches blood bought children of God, and sanctified living. They have one thing right, but the second is works. Which you and Dcon are protesting in the not by works thread.
You and I differ only on what the works are. In that thread if I would bring in what I know is the works of God, for Jesus plainly stated what they are, it would just confuse the issue of faith alone in the blood sacrifice of the Lord.
Only believing what Jesus sent back to earth so we could do the same works He did, is how the gifts will be manifested to the whole body. And I know this is His will. For how can He walk in a disjointed body?
Best sermon I ever heard by Lynn Hiles. All together we are lovely. And powerful.
Fear is never faith.
There are two uses of tongues EG. What we call the gift of tongues is equal to prophecy in being a message to the individual fellowship from the Lord. But, because it needs to be interpreted or the fellowship not knowing what is said, it's the lesser in comparison to the gift of prophecy.
What I was talking about is individual prayer closet praying, or corporately. Then God prays His perfect will through us which we might not know or see, and pray amiss in our own understanding, That's the benefit.
Example, God is calling my son to step out in ministry. Me as His mother, am fearful of what might happen. He has a good job, etc. So I pray Lord don't let this happen, I need him at home, the cannibals might eat him...😘 Ect... understand? Probably a bad answer or example, but this is me. 🙂 God does move according to our faith. So we need to be careful with our prayers.
I do know of when a friend of mine finding out her husband was cheating, took a gun and was on the way to the woman's house to shoot her. A group of women were praying together in church, and saw in a vision what was being planned and got there before she arrived. Another advantage. Can this happen in a church without tongues? Of course. If one has been given the prophetic of visions and dreams interpretation. Another gifting of an office.
You have to accept what you may of been given for it to be profitable.
Another misunderstanding is prophecy. This is giving a message in the power of Holy Spirit at the moment of infilling. Smith Wigglesworth never made a sermon before a meeting. He would wait for the anointing, same as Kathryn Kulhman, and those giants of faith before us.
It's not a prepared sermon as often is given in churches.. But! One can hear before the service and write it down. These are the ways Holy Spirit moves.
I was raised in a Church of God, which teaches blood bought children of God, and sanctified living. They have one thing right, but the second is works. Which you and Dcon are protesting in the not by works thread.
You and I differ only on what the works are. In that thread if I would bring in what I know is the works of God, for Jesus plainly stated what they are, it would just confuse the issue of faith alone in the blood sacrifice of the Lord.
Only believing what Jesus sent back to earth so we could do the same works He did, is how the gifts will be manifested to the whole body. And I know this is His will. For how can He walk in a disjointed body?
Best sermon I ever heard by Lynn Hiles. All together we are lovely. And powerful.
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We have to welcome Holy Spirit into our midst. And wait until He does.
Israel would not go to battle unless they knew the Lord was with them.
What happened if they moved out without the prophet telling them the Word of the Lord? If you are a student of the Word, then you know.
Nothing different today except where Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Father God, is within. To proclaim Jesus Christ, Son on earth.
Israel would not go to battle unless they knew the Lord was with them.
What happened if they moved out without the prophet telling them the Word of the Lord? If you are a student of the Word, then you know.
Nothing different today except where Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Father God, is within. To proclaim Jesus Christ, Son on earth.
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If you don't hear what He is praying for you EG, then how do you know what is the fruit of His prayers?
And how would you interpret what He says?
Makes no sense. Jesus sent His Presence, the same Spirit of Father to His body! The manifestation of the Sons of God in the earth is His will EG!
Don't just be a pewsitter. You were born for this time!
And how would you interpret what He says?
Makes no sense. Jesus sent His Presence, the same Spirit of Father to His body! The manifestation of the Sons of God in the earth is His will EG!
Don't just be a pewsitter. You were born for this time!
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The bible says specifically that if someone speaks in tongues in the. Church there MUST be an interpretor.
I can just go by what the wrd says. If anyone is doing it and there is no interpretor (prying or not) then the bible states it is not of God. And
If I should pray in tongues because I am afraid I may offend someone or whatever, then something is wrong tghere also. Thats like saying I shoudl not drink or else I may get drunk.
Once again, Tongues has to be interpreted.Prayer is us talking to God. Corporate prayer are groups of people all comming in one mind to lift up the praises and petitions of the local group. And to also prayer for people within the group. It does nto good if the group can not hear each other. Without an interpretor. There can be no unity.
The gifts had a purpose. But it also had requirments. If people ar enot obeying the requirments, I suggest we question the purpose. God does not go against his own word
I can just go by what the wrd says. If anyone is doing it and there is no interpretor (prying or not) then the bible states it is not of God. And
If I should pray in tongues because I am afraid I may offend someone or whatever, then something is wrong tghere also. Thats like saying I shoudl not drink or else I may get drunk.
Once again, Tongues has to be interpreted.Prayer is us talking to God. Corporate prayer are groups of people all comming in one mind to lift up the praises and petitions of the local group. And to also prayer for people within the group. It does nto good if the group can not hear each other. Without an interpretor. There can be no unity.
The gifts had a purpose. But it also had requirments. If people ar enot obeying the requirments, I suggest we question the purpose. God does not go against his own word
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="eternally-gratefull, post: 3887347, member: 82611"]1. I am not sure paul spoke more than anyone, This is not found in Scripture.
2. Paul said his spirit prays.
you actually think somebody's spirit is praying while their soul and body are playing hockey or something?
Nothing in context says those are audible prayers (to the person the spirit is praying for) The spirit prays for me all the time, I do not hear what he says, But I have faith he prays for me, and I see the Fruits of his prayers
And I would like her to answer, Because she was talking about the context of others. Not herself.
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I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all; I Cor.14:18 by Paul
really?
then the case can also be made that nothing in context suggests they are not out loud
if not out loud, then why was Paul fussing about the racket they were making? hello?
further, the context is the Holy Spirit praying THROUGH us...not busy praying FOR us while we are watching the news on TV
where does the Bible say we should have faith in the Holy Spirit praying FOR us?
he does, but with our co-operation...using the logic so often displayed by you and some others, why would it make sense for the Spirit to pray things we don't understand or know about?
I doubt I will answer you if you twist one single thing I posted or add one single thing to what I posted
2. Paul said his spirit prays.
you actually think somebody's spirit is praying while their soul and body are playing hockey or something?
Nothing in context says those are audible prayers (to the person the spirit is praying for) The spirit prays for me all the time, I do not hear what he says, But I have faith he prays for me, and I see the Fruits of his prayers
And I would like her to answer, Because she was talking about the context of others. Not herself.
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I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all; I Cor.14:18 by Paul
really?
then the case can also be made that nothing in context suggests they are not out loud
if not out loud, then why was Paul fussing about the racket they were making? hello?
further, the context is the Holy Spirit praying THROUGH us...not busy praying FOR us while we are watching the news on TV
where does the Bible say we should have faith in the Holy Spirit praying FOR us?
he does, but with our co-operation...using the logic so often displayed by you and some others, why would it make sense for the Spirit to pray things we don't understand or know about?
I doubt I will answer you if you twist one single thing I posted or add one single thing to what I posted
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Yeah he said what he said
To the CORINTHIAN CHURCH. “I thank God I pray in tongues more thay YOU ALL”
To try to ay this is paul saying he spoke more than anyone ever is taking pauls words and twisting them, Peter was not there. Not was any of the other disciples/apostles. So to include them in this pasage is just wrong.
You are fitting something in there other that what it says..it is not I. I just take paul at his word. And context of WHO he was talking to
To the CORINTHIAN CHURCH. “I thank God I pray in tongues more thay YOU ALL”
To try to ay this is paul saying he spoke more than anyone ever is taking pauls words and twisting them, Peter was not there. Not was any of the other disciples/apostles. So to include them in this pasage is just wrong.
You are fitting something in there other that what it says..it is not I. I just take paul at his word. And context of WHO he was talking to
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Ok, EG
Plainly speaking. You accept whatbis written, yet because you haven't experienced this, you don't understand.
Which is the point I'm making. We who do, understand what Spirit is, and we all agree. We are not confused. Or we are not questioning.
Christianity can be just another religion if we aren't actually being a member of His living body moving on earth doing His works.
I can't say that I've experienced the power as the ministry that I follow. But I've had some experiences through the whole of my life.
Each generation should be greater than the last. I hope I get to see things my grandchildren experience.
Plainly speaking. You accept whatbis written, yet because you haven't experienced this, you don't understand.
Which is the point I'm making. We who do, understand what Spirit is, and we all agree. We are not confused. Or we are not questioning.
Christianity can be just another religion if we aren't actually being a member of His living body moving on earth doing His works.
I can't say that I've experienced the power as the ministry that I follow. But I've had some experiences through the whole of my life.
Each generation should be greater than the last. I hope I get to see things my grandchildren experience.
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How could I know if he spoke in a language I can not understand? What is the fdifference between words incomprehensible comming out of my mouth and prayers for me I do not hear.
I know by what happens in my life and the things I see which i know God had a hand in..
How can I interpret it? You tell me, If God speaks in a language i can not understand how can I know
1. it is from God
2. It is real
3. That what God prayed (supposedly) has been fulfilled?
I woudl have no posibility.. And just saying “it is faith” is not a correct answer.
Because I have faith God prays for me, and I have more faiht in what I see those prayers are answered.
See this is what upsets me about charismatic churches. Who said I ws just a pew sitter? Can you explain this to me,
1. It is an insult to the power of God I have seen in my life and my churhc
2. it is an insult to me and all the work I have done by using my gift in the body
3. It is misleading. (It sounds as if the only reason you want me to speak is to see Gods power as if that is the only Way gd can manifest his power? Which in itself is an insult. Except this time, it is an insult in my mind to God.
I know by what happens in my life and the things I see which i know God had a hand in..
How can I interpret it? You tell me, If God speaks in a language i can not understand how can I know
1. it is from God
2. It is real
3. That what God prayed (supposedly) has been fulfilled?
I woudl have no posibility.. And just saying “it is faith” is not a correct answer.
Because I have faith God prays for me, and I have more faiht in what I see those prayers are answered.
See this is what upsets me about charismatic churches. Who said I ws just a pew sitter? Can you explain this to me,
1. It is an insult to the power of God I have seen in my life and my churhc
2. it is an insult to me and all the work I have done by using my gift in the body
3. It is misleading. (It sounds as if the only reason you want me to speak is to see Gods power as if that is the only Way gd can manifest his power? Which in itself is an insult. Except this time, it is an insult in my mind to God.
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Lol. I know what th ebible says, And what I feel has no bearing on the discussion. Feelins are seen as a WEAK part in determining what is truth, the pagans used this form of proof.
Your feeling can not over rule the word of God. The word of God days there must be in interpretor in group settings.. If your churhc is not obedient to that word (not sayibg it is or is not) then it is not going with the word of God.
At that point, you need to question why your churhc is doing what it is doing.
Thbis is not proof of anything sis.
Sorry, But if the word of God is not adhered to. Then I must pass.
I do believe God uses tongues, But he does it within the requirments he himself set according to scripture.
Your feeling can not over rule the word of God. The word of God days there must be in interpretor in group settings.. If your churhc is not obedient to that word (not sayibg it is or is not) then it is not going with the word of God.
At that point, you need to question why your churhc is doing what it is doing.
Thbis is not proof of anything sis.
Sorry, But if the word of God is not adhered to. Then I must pass.
I do believe God uses tongues, But he does it within the requirments he himself set according to scripture.
Passover
Pentecost
Tabernacles
Is your church great in salvation? then that is the fruit. that is represented in the feast of Passover, and the finality of all things is the fullness. tabernacles.
this is pretty much the same result in other threads. Only the Lord can lead one on. and no one will change views unless He shines the light of truth. And people get offended.
am rethinking this whole debating thing.
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Your talking about three days
God has been working with mankind for between 6 and 10 thousands yeard (depending on who you talk to) I would not try to mark my belief system based on three days..
How did God have a relation with mankind all throughout history.. He is the same yesterday today and tomorrow.
I am just saying .
I understand you thinking I am against you or offending you. (And I pray I am not, it is not my intention) But you should see how you offend others also. It can not be one way.
God has been working with mankind for between 6 and 10 thousands yeard (depending on who you talk to) I would not try to mark my belief system based on three days..
How did God have a relation with mankind all throughout history.. He is the same yesterday today and tomorrow.
I am just saying .
I understand you thinking I am against you or offending you. (And I pray I am not, it is not my intention) But you should see how you offend others also. It can not be one way.