Why I no longer believe in the penal substitution theory of the Atonement
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Really you should have a comment with the video 
I think he is preaching sinless perfectionism if I understand him correctly?
I definitely disagree then.
From the youtube comments...
This guy sounds like another works salvation. He says that it's the works done in faith that gain your salvation like Abraham but the question remains how many faithful works must be carried out until God says "okay come on in"
Josh Gaston 1 year ago (edited)
I think he is preaching sinless perfectionism if I understand him correctly?
I definitely disagree then.
From the youtube comments...
This guy sounds like another works salvation. He says that it's the works done in faith that gain your salvation like Abraham but the question remains how many faithful works must be carried out until God says "okay come on in"
Josh Gaston 1 year ago (edited)
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Really you should have a comment with the video
I think he is preaching sinless perfectionism if I understand him correctly?
I definitely disagree then.
From the youtube comments...
This guy sounds like another works salvation. He says that it's the works done in faith that gain your salvation like Abraham but the question remains how many faithful works must be carried out until God says "okay come on in"
Josh Gaston 1 year ago (edited)
I think he is preaching sinless perfectionism if I understand him correctly?
I definitely disagree then.
From the youtube comments...
This guy sounds like another works salvation. He says that it's the works done in faith that gain your salvation like Abraham but the question remains how many faithful works must be carried out until God says "okay come on in"
Josh Gaston 1 year ago (edited)
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More than condemnation, a website promoting works save.
theylied.org the website for the You Tube channel author
Obedience to God is the key for salvation. God will not let sinners into Heaven but only those who are righteous.
It is commonly taught in just about every church that man is saved by faith alone. If someone tries to add anything else to faith alone they are considered legalistic, self righteous, trying to earn their way to heaven by themselves, a pharisee, and the list goes on. But what does the Bible say about faith alone? Are we only saved by faith and what happens after (Repentance, obedience, ect…) Is just a sign we had true faith and we are genuine? Or is obedience and Repentance required for salvation along with faith? Let’s read what the Bible says.
http://theylied.org/faith-alone-wont-save-someone/
theylied.org the website for the You Tube channel author
Obedience to God is the key for salvation. God will not let sinners into Heaven but only those who are righteous.
It is commonly taught in just about every church that man is saved by faith alone. If someone tries to add anything else to faith alone they are considered legalistic, self righteous, trying to earn their way to heaven by themselves, a pharisee, and the list goes on. But what does the Bible say about faith alone? Are we only saved by faith and what happens after (Repentance, obedience, ect…) Is just a sign we had true faith and we are genuine? Or is obedience and Repentance required for salvation along with faith? Let’s read what the Bible says.
http://theylied.org/faith-alone-wont-save-someone/
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Can you please explain to me what is wrong with the following analysis of penal substitution. In other words explain why in your opinion it is not Biblical?
Penal Substitutionary Atonement is the view that Christ was a legal substitute for us on the cross and that he bore the penalty for our sins that is due to us. (Penal means legal as in penal-colony) Jesus was made under the Law (Galatians 4:4) and bore our sins in his body on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24). At his crucifixion, he was “pierced through for our transgressions” and received our chastening and scourging (Isa. 53:4-5). What was due to us he bore by being made sin (2 Cor. 5:21). This is exactly what the Penal Substitutionary Atonement is. This is also called the Vicarious Atonement of Christ.
Though there are varying views of the atonement, the Vicarious Substitutionary Atonement (Penal Substitutionary Atonement) best explains the Scripture and most importantly, it probably relates the satisfaction of Law as a relates to the holiness of God.
IN HIM;
bluto
Penal Substitutionary Atonement is the view that Christ was a legal substitute for us on the cross and that he bore the penalty for our sins that is due to us. (Penal means legal as in penal-colony) Jesus was made under the Law (Galatians 4:4) and bore our sins in his body on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24). At his crucifixion, he was “pierced through for our transgressions” and received our chastening and scourging (Isa. 53:4-5). What was due to us he bore by being made sin (2 Cor. 5:21). This is exactly what the Penal Substitutionary Atonement is. This is also called the Vicarious Atonement of Christ.
- Isaiah 53:4–5, "Surely our griefs He Himself bore, and our sorrows He carried; Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed."
- Mark 10:45, “For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”
- 2 Corinthians 5:21, "He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."
- 1 Peter 2:24, "and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed."
Though there are varying views of the atonement, the Vicarious Substitutionary Atonement (Penal Substitutionary Atonement) best explains the Scripture and most importantly, it probably relates the satisfaction of Law as a relates to the holiness of God.
IN HIM;
bluto
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More than condemnation, a website promoting works save.
theylied.org the website for the You Tube channel author
Obedience to God is the key for salvation. God will not let sinners into Heaven but only those who are righteous.
It is commonly taught in just about every church that man is saved by faith alone. If someone tries to add anything else to faith alone they are considered legalistic, self righteous, trying to earn their way to heaven by themselves, a pharisee, and the list goes on. But what does the Bible say about faith alone? Are we only saved by faith and what happens after (Repentance, obedience, ect…) Is just a sign we had true faith and we are genuine? Or is obedience and Repentance required for salvation along with faith? Let’s read what the Bible says.
http://theylied.org/faith-alone-wont-save-someone/
theylied.org the website for the You Tube channel author
Obedience to God is the key for salvation. God will not let sinners into Heaven but only those who are righteous.
It is commonly taught in just about every church that man is saved by faith alone. If someone tries to add anything else to faith alone they are considered legalistic, self righteous, trying to earn their way to heaven by themselves, a pharisee, and the list goes on. But what does the Bible say about faith alone? Are we only saved by faith and what happens after (Repentance, obedience, ect…) Is just a sign we had true faith and we are genuine? Or is obedience and Repentance required for salvation along with faith? Let’s read what the Bible says.
http://theylied.org/faith-alone-wont-save-someone/
1 John 1:8-10
King James Version
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
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IMO,here John Is talking about a person coming to GOD from the world and repenting and GOD forgives them once and for all.
1 John 3:7-9
King James Version
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
When we got saved GOD made our spirits perfect and sealed us.
Its the SPIRIT that gives life the flesh counts for nothing concerning salvation,nevertheless a person that has had their spirit made perfect will seek to purify their flesh renewing their minds.
King James Version
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
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IMO,here John Is talking about a person coming to GOD from the world and repenting and GOD forgives them once and for all.
1 John 3:7-9
King James Version
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
When we got saved GOD made our spirits perfect and sealed us.
Its the SPIRIT that gives life the flesh counts for nothing concerning salvation,nevertheless a person that has had their spirit made perfect will seek to purify their flesh renewing their minds.
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Penal substitution has one simple flaw. The prisoner is free to continue to sin, so nothing
has changed. If one accepts heaven is the place where reality is chosen in righteousness,
the heart of each believer must desire this.
If a believer merely believes they are free, they are still sinners just free sinner destroying
and causing death in heaven.
If one believes God can force righteousness, believing loving behaviour on people, why not
create them straight off. If one believes righteousness is just a knee jerk reaction to fear,
why not terrify people into heaven.
The sad conclusion is the sinner has to open the door and want righteousness with their
whole soul, and to die to this world to live to the next.
But those who hate heaven and its ways will always oppose this idea, believing God is
greater than this and can make people into Gods children by force. The fact satan exists
and 1/3 of heaven fell shows even angels free choose and can fall. God chooses not to
force but to show loves example and call. And the answer to the call is the walk, testing,
change, cost, and finally victory.
has changed. If one accepts heaven is the place where reality is chosen in righteousness,
the heart of each believer must desire this.
If a believer merely believes they are free, they are still sinners just free sinner destroying
and causing death in heaven.
If one believes God can force righteousness, believing loving behaviour on people, why not
create them straight off. If one believes righteousness is just a knee jerk reaction to fear,
why not terrify people into heaven.
The sad conclusion is the sinner has to open the door and want righteousness with their
whole soul, and to die to this world to live to the next.
But those who hate heaven and its ways will always oppose this idea, believing God is
greater than this and can make people into Gods children by force. The fact satan exists
and 1/3 of heaven fell shows even angels free choose and can fall. God chooses not to
force but to show loves example and call. And the answer to the call is the walk, testing,
change, cost, and finally victory.
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John 11:23-26
King James Version
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
King James Version
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
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