The Basics of Speaking in Tongues

[YourTruthGod]

Your proposition is tongues are gibberish. Unfortunately for you this is not true.
I am speaking of the actual gift, not mans immitation.

This is the problem of just doing biblical study and being alone and not part of
the body of Christ. We believe God raises the dead, heals the sick, turns us from death
to life, yet speaking language of men by the Holy Spirit is a step too far?

You need to listen to the word of God and His people. People with no motive than to
bring glory to Jesus, testify to these experiences which do what is claimed. It is not
something we want, it is a gift. Churches who desire the extra ordinary without faith
can create something else, but God is greater than us, and His blessings and ways rule.
Your mistake my friend is to think we are not already humble, adoring and worshipping
our King. All His gifts are not something of pride but helps, not boasting but empowerment
in ministry. Thank you Jesus for you love, and your insight and your blessing of us your
people, Amen.

Here is more of just your opinion and nothing with scripture.
Tongues ceased and there is no more.

 

[TheLearner]

You don't know Greek. You don't know what you are talking about. Your comment right here:

"Sure.....tongues = language....not some jibberish or babbling passed off as tongues.....and the co text is clear!!! So is cease, fail and vanish away!!"

This is not Greek. That is your opinion. If you knew proper Biblical Exegesis you would not build on 1 verse found 1cor 13:10 when the three chapters are to be seen 12, 13, and 14 are unit chapters You if you think your greek understanding changes the context of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit starting in chapter 12 and ending in chapter 14, you sir are in error.

I checked the Oxford English Dictionary at the Library. Around the 1611 era tongue referred to what is in our mount or to a Language.
Tongues refers to Languages. It even gave examples from around that time period.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Where do you see this Dcon? I went to the scripture but didn't see Peter say anything but let's build three tabernacles.

17 For he received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."
18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.
19 And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation.
21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
2 Peter 1:17-21

 

[dcontroversal]

Where do you see this Dcon? I went to the scripture but didn't see Peter say anything but let's build three tabernacles.

2nd Peter Chapter 1....WE HAVE A MORE SURE WORD OF PROPHECY <--compared to the events on the mount of transfiguration....Why trust the word over any and all experiences....because the word is the only sure thing.....experiences can be flawed, misunderstood, self imposed, self induced, etc.......


For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: etc......

 

[YourTruthGod]

you gave your biased and personal opinion

nothing more

but I have not read all your posts but I did see you being quite insulting to another member here

just like you are insulting me in what you say

you have no business to call me another one of anything or falsely try to state I don't care for the truth

there is a big difference between accusing and actually discussing. perhaps learn the difference

Address what I said and the scriptures I gave instead of followstep and you giving me your personal opinions.

Speaking in tongues was a gift given, a sign, given (Isaiah 28:11) during the laying of the foundation of the Church (Hebrews 2:4). It was a sign to the Jews (Acts 2:6). Speaking in tongues has served God's purpose, God has given the sign (1Cor 14:21), and God has laid the foundation (Eph 2:20). Speaking in tongues by the Gentiles showed the Jews that God granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life (Acts 11:18). Tongue speakers spoke mysteries (1 Cor 14:2); consequently, the mystery of the gospel has been given (Eph 6:19). Speaking in tongues is the language of angels (1 Cor 13:1), angels minister to humans (Hebrews 1:14). Humans are to understand speaking in tongues in earthly languages (Acts 2:6, 11). Speaking in tongues would be “stilled” (1 Cor 13:8).

 

[YourTruthGod]

and here is yet another example of your puffed estimation of yourself

a person should humble themself before you because God Himself revealed the truth to you?

that's pretty edgy. maybe don't mock those who believe God has not changed His way of giving of gifts to believers with so much enthusiasm

I have not seen on single person say humble yourself before me because I speak in tongues

so God Himself appears to you and speaks to you but only you and we should humble ourselves before you

can't make this stuff up

You need to stop with the insults and speak about the scriptures concerning speaking in tongues.

 

[dcontroversal]

I checked the Oxford English Dictionary at the Library. Around the 1611 era tongue referred to what is in our mount or to a Language.
Tongues refers to Languages. It even gave examples from around that time period.

AMEN.....the Greek was inspired....the English translation wasn't.......the word never meant some jibberish.....it meant a spoken language....simple truth that many deny

 

[CS1]

And the name calling continues.

Maybe this subject should go the way of the hyper-grace threads. It always leads to name calling and such.
No one will ever change their mind.
I gone.

thats funny I did not see your name mentioned in my comment to the sister but must be under conviction

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Here is more of just your opinion and nothing with scripture.
Tongues ceased and there is no more.

My friend there are just Pauls writing and the book of acts to go on.
Ofcourse you can construct a theory of why things have happened
after one way or the other and ofcourse scripture does not talk about
what had not at that time happened.

They expected the end to come and Jesus return.
The question for me is why would the Lord not continue to bless His
gifts to His people. The reason for them is as gifts of love and help and
nothing has changed in this regard.

Unfortunately the gifts of the Spirit are about community and His body,
so if you have hidden away, you will not have needed them, except maybe
tongues, but maybe your praise is very limited. I do not know.
God bless you

 

[YourTruthGod]

My friend there are just Pauls writing and the book of acts to go on.
Ofcourse you can construct a theory of why things have happened
after one way or the other and ofcourse scripture does not talk about
what had not at that time happened.

They expected the end to come and Jesus return.
The question for me is why would the Lord not continue to bless His
gifts to His people. The reason for them is as gifts of love and help and
nothing has changed in this regard.

Unfortunately the gifts of the Spirit are about community and His body,
so if you have hidden away, you will not have needed them, except maybe
tongues, but maybe your praise is very limited. I do not know.
God bless you

I go by the written Word of God and not by you.

 

[stonesoffire]

2nd Peter Chapter 1....WE HAVE A MORE SURE WORD OF PROPHECY <--compared to the events on the mount of transfiguration....Why trust the word over any and all experiences....because the word is the only sure thing.....experiences can be flawed, misunderstood, self imposed, self induced, etc.......


For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: etc......

I've read over this scripture several times, and looked at it in the ISV. I don't see this the same as you.

I think Peter is saying that the voice of God that they heard on the mount was greater than the prophetic words of the coming of Jesus found in the OT. A greater testimony I mean.

And that was an experience. At least they didn't fear like they did when God spoke from the fire on the mountain and they couldn't bear to hear. 😮

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I go by the written Word of God and not by you.

The point is the written word tells us the gifts exit.

28 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?
30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?
31 But eagerly desire the greater gifts. And now I will show you the most excellent way.
1 Corinthians 12:28-31

4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church.
5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.
6 Now, brothers, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction?
1 Corinthians 14:4-6

Paul would like us all to speak in tongues.
So Paul is expressing the expectation we can all speak in tongues
It is this that states simply where we are. Unbelief in Gods word
can always exstinguish its outworking in the believer.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

2nd Peter Chapter 1....WE HAVE A MORE SURE WORD OF PROPHECY <--compared to the events on the mount of transfiguration....Why trust the word over any and all experiences....because the word is the only sure thing.....experiences can be flawed, misunderstood, self imposed, self induced, etc.......


For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: etc......

I cant find this i bold

 

[dcontroversal]

I've read over this scripture several times, and looked at it in the ISV. I don't see this the same as you.

I think Peter is saying that the voice of God that they heard on the mount was greater than the prophetic words of the coming of Jesus found in the OT. A greater testimony I mean.

And that was an experience. At least they didn't fear like they did when God spoke from the fire on the mountain and they couldn't bear to hear. 😮

That is not what he states...He gives his experience first and then states he has a more sure word of prophecy as compared to the experience and the voice from heaven.....WE HAVE ALSO <----this indicates something above and beyond the voice heard from heavan on the mount......Experiences can be flawed.....the word is absolute......

I cant find this i bold

2nd Peter 1:19

 

[eternally-gratefull]

2 peter 1: 19 19 [i]And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts;

Sounds to me that peter is saying through all things, the prophetic word concerning Jesus has been confirmed, including the voice they heard from heaven.

 

[stonesoffire]

Ok...looking at the lexham English bible. Lol

17 For he received honor and glory from God the Father when a voice such as this was brought to him by the Majestic Glory, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."


18 And we ourselves heard this voice brought from heaven when we were with him on the holy mountain,


19 and we possess as more reliable the prophetic word, to which you do well if you pay attention to it as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts,


20 recognizing this above all, that every prophecy of scripture does not come about from one's own interpretation,


21 for no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men carried along by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

The prophetic Word is the voice of God. Looking at this I get a different picture. That the Voice of God who spoke on the mount is the same Holy Spirit who moved on men to write of the coming of Jesus through the Old Testament.

Peter is saying that men do well to heed the prophetic voice.

Some day I'm going to sit down and write all the experiences that can't be corroberated anywhere found in the OT.

Lice frogs, just a sample. Today we would say the devil did it.

 

[dcontroversal]

2 peter 1: 19 19 [i]And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts;

Sounds to me that peter is saying through all things, the prophetic word concerning Jesus has been confirmed, including the voice they heard from heaven.

The contrast is drawn between the voice heard from heaven on the mount and the more sure word of Prophecy.....and each translation has a little different twist.....regardless.....the word of God is absolute and 100% trustworthy whereas any and all experiences are subject to corruption and or being misapplied and or misunderstood.......

Peter begins this context by saying that we have not followed cunningly designed fables, the then brings forth the mount and the voice from heaven and then states what he states about having a more sure word of prophecy...IE>..that which has been written and inspired, namely the prophets of old and what they have testified of........

He is in essence saying......regardless of this experience where we heard a voice from heaven.....the prophecy of old is a more sure source concerning Christ.......that is how I see it....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The contrast is drawn between the voice heard from heaven on the mount and the more sure word of Prophecy.....and each translation has a little different twist.....regardless.....the word of God is absolute and 100% trustworthy whereas any and all experiences are subject to corruption and or being misapplied and or misunderstood.......

Peter begins this context by saying that we have not followed cunningly designed fables, the then brings forth the mount and the voice from heaven and then states what he states about having a more sure word of prophecy...IE>..that which has been written and inspired, namely the prophets of old and what they have testified of........

He is in essence saying......regardless of this experience where we heard a voice from heaven.....the prophecy of old is a more sure source concerning Christ.......that is how I see it....

I see where you comming from

I just think Peter is saying both things prove that Christ is who he is, And they just did not make up or follow cunning words (prophesy)

I was always told the transfiguration was a tool God used to get Christ ready for the severe suffering he was about to endure The two men reminding jesus of what he came for..I am not even sure their was any prophesy, But to peter it woudl have been an amazing sight, and to him supernatural

(But remember, he wanted to build for all three..lol I always wondered how he knew who the two men were also..)

 

[stonesoffire]

You say I mash up the scriptures in Isaiah something dreadful. I would think only because you are not interested in looking at the foundation of the doctrine of God as to what it has to say as a sign that confirms unbelief (no faith) in natural unconverted man . (sign seekers) Using the rest we do have when we do mix faith daily in what we do hear coming from God is exactly what the sign of unbelief points to. They had no daily rest from hearing the word of God but rather did whatsoever their own mouth brought as oral traditions of men making the word of God to no effect .or tutning things upside down removing the undersanding of God .

It would seem you are trying to turn the tongues doctrine into making it some sort of sabbath day once a week celebration as a another sign that sign seekers ?

Bottom line verse 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Garee, do you know what flesh means?

And if God is giving man rest from striving to obey law, how is this seen? How can we rest from failure to be perfect before God who is Holy?

Just those 2 questions please.

 

[dcontroversal]

I see where you comming from

I just think Peter is saying both things prove that Christ is who he is, And they just did not make up or follow cunning words (prophesy)

I was always told the transfiguration was a tool God used to get Christ ready for the severe suffering he was about to endure The two men reminding jesus of what he came for..I am not even sure their was any prophesy, But to peter it woudl have been an amazing sight, and to him supernatural

(But remember, he wanted to build for all three..lol I always wondered how he knew who the two men were also..)

Yeah.......a bunch of interesting thoughts can be gleaned......Three witnesses to the glorified Christ, Christ said the law and prophets testify of HIM...Moses and Elijah represent the law and prophets.....numerous truths to be gleaned....at the end of the day though...I still say the written word trumps all experiences......IMV