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Half truth and spins zones which are used to promost self and not the real truth.
Not By Works
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Things are getting out of hand here.
Evil desires
The problem in the world is evil desires in the heart. Sin is its fruit. Unless evil desires are kept in check we
are lost. I was emphasising evil desires need resolution which many refuse to accept, and stop opening their
hearts up to the Lord to be healed and so stay captive to their sinful behaviour.
Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.
Romans 6:12
As a result, he does not live the rest of his earthly life for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.
1 Peter 4:2
Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
2 Peter 1:4
These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.
Jude 1:16
But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.'
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.
These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.'"
Matt 15:18-20
each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
James 1:13-15
The problem in the world is evil desires in the heart. Sin is its fruit. Unless evil desires are kept in check we
are lost. I was emphasising evil desires need resolution which many refuse to accept, and stop opening their
hearts up to the Lord to be healed and so stay captive to their sinful behaviour.
Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.
Romans 6:12
As a result, he does not live the rest of his earthly life for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.
1 Peter 4:2
Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
2 Peter 1:4
These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.
Jude 1:16
But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.'
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.
These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.'"
Matt 15:18-20
each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
James 1:13-15
Nazarene statement of Faith article 8 end
We believe that all persons may fall from grace and apostatize and, unless they repent of their sins, be hopelessly and eternally lost. We believe that regenerate persons need not return to sin but may live in unbroken fellowship with God through the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit who bears witness with our spirits that we are children of God.
(2 Chronicles 7:14; Psalms 32:5-6; 51:1-17; Isaiah 55:6-7; Jeremiah 3:12-14; Ezekiel 18:30-32; 33:14-16; Mark 1:14-15; Luke 3:1-14; 13:1-5; 18:9-14; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 17:30-31; 26:16-18; Romans 2:4; 2 Corinthians 7:8-11; 1 Thessalonians 1:9; 2 Peter 3:9)
For those who cannot read, this simply says you can lose your salvation and also walk righteously
with Christ.
And I am told I do not believe this and this is not my position or where I am.
Odd that, because I keep on saying this is where I am and nothing else.
But then what is witnessing and sharing when people make up what you say and
then claim you are doing it to them, when you have said nothing about them.
We believe that all persons may fall from grace and apostatize and, unless they repent of their sins, be hopelessly and eternally lost. We believe that regenerate persons need not return to sin but may live in unbroken fellowship with God through the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit who bears witness with our spirits that we are children of God.
(2 Chronicles 7:14; Psalms 32:5-6; 51:1-17; Isaiah 55:6-7; Jeremiah 3:12-14; Ezekiel 18:30-32; 33:14-16; Mark 1:14-15; Luke 3:1-14; 13:1-5; 18:9-14; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 17:30-31; 26:16-18; Romans 2:4; 2 Corinthians 7:8-11; 1 Thessalonians 1:9; 2 Peter 3:9)
For those who cannot read, this simply says you can lose your salvation and also walk righteously
with Christ.
And I am told I do not believe this and this is not my position or where I am.
Odd that, because I keep on saying this is where I am and nothing else.
But then what is witnessing and sharing when people make up what you say and
then claim you are doing it to them, when you have said nothing about them.
Well, that's a lie.
I think that, because the Bible teaches that.
Lie #2.
Agreed. We obey by believing the gospel. That's all the "if" required. To add anything else implies Jesus did not pay our debt in full.
That wasn't just a "special time". You are once again adding to God's word with your opinion. Show me the scriptures that Jesus only sealed a certain group of people for eternal security.
Then salvation isn't a gift, grace isn't unmerited, and our sin debt was not paid in full. If any of that were true, Jesus would have to come back and shed more blood for the remission of any sins not paid for by His first atonement.
That's your tired old "pay to play" salvation by works, raising it's wicked, evil, demonic head.
Jesus was asked specifically what are the works God requires of us. That's why I always ask you for specifics, but you only deal in generalizations.
Here is the only "condition" - the only "works" required:
"Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” (John 6:28-29)
Notice Jesus said "work" not "works".
You'd better realize something soon. God will not save anybody who is trying to save themselves by their works. If you believe any form of behavior or performance in life has any part in your salvation, God cannot and will not save you. You believe Jesus is necessary, but not enough.
You're essentially claiming that the sin debt was not fully paid by Christ. That by our continued obedience, the sin debt is being paid. Because, according to you, if we don't continue to work, we will lose our salvation. That places the onus on us and not on Jesus.
Cue you giving lip-service to Christ's sacrifice while bragging of your own salvific accomplishments.
I do know something MAJOR about you. You go against obeying Jesus to get saved, and that is so wrong.
Jesus spoke that to the Jews WHO WOULD know that we have to obey God.
The Jews only believed in God the Father, and now they are told to believe in Jesus, this man.
It does NOT mean don't obey anymore!
It means believe also in Jesus.
Just obey Jesus and you will see.
Jesus paid for sins and you have to repent of your sins.
Jesus didn't pay for them so you could still do them.
It is never ever shameful to obey Jesus.
Okay. I'm gonna give you the chance to set the record straight and give us all specifics. What, exactly are all of the things we have to do to remain saved?
All of them. List them.
And don't pull your usual "well, you must obey the teachings of Jesus."
Name all of them that are required.
Says the guy who still sins, yet claims he doesn't.
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eternally-gratefull
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I may have to open his posts to see this list..
This guy. Constantly making false accusations and bearing false witness. Yet no fear at all for losing his salvation, never apologizes for lying. Is he too blind/proud to see he is lying, or does he just not care?
Btw: How did John the Baptist get filled with the Spirit from his mother's womb without obeying first?
Do you believe in the 'already but not yet' principle with the kingdom of God?
That it came on Pentecost and when Jesus was driving out demons, but that it becomes fully and devours all kingdoms of this world at the second coming?
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eternally-gratefull
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Do you believe that the kingdom of God came at pentecost?
Then it will come fully, materially in the future to devour all worldly kingdoms?
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eternally-gratefull
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I believe the kingdom of God was at hand when John the baptist was baptising in the wilderness
Just agree with me and im happy. Do it for me. You know i love you
The kingdom of God came with power and wonders when the Apostles went around casting out devils and preaching the Gospel. At pentecost
Then the kingdom will come fully when Jesus returns and devours all world kingdoms.
I think its important because Jesus said kingdom of God has come if I cast out devils.
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eternally-gratefull
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Lol.. Ok I agree..lol. (Enough craziness and false accusations for one day!!)
Jesus cast out demons before pentecost though. Just saying