Nothing you say has any weight....self proclaimed revelations and peddling that we can do enough good to earn salvation has reduced your credibility to zero.....
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Nothing you say has any weight....self proclaimed revelations and peddling that we can do enough good to earn salvation has reduced your credibility to zero.....
So Jesus' words scare you and you think they are insane?
John 14:21 The person who has my commandments and obeys them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will reveal myself to him."
Psalm 119:100 I have more understanding than the elders, for I obey your precepts.
Proverbs 1:23 Repent at my rebuke! Then I will pour out my thoughts to you, I will make known to you my teachings.
Better than you do pal.......maybe you can have another special revelation and open your eyes
This could be a very interesting subject. The first mention of the word justify I found in Exodus. It's after a set of instructions, but justify is used by the Lord to say the wicked He won't justify.
Circumcision is a Covenant. Why would you use justification for circumcision YTG?
The scripture you don't understand is this:
Romas 4:11 And he received circumcision as a sign, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them.
Covenant:
H1285
בּרית
berı̂yth
BDB Definition:
1) covenant, alliance, pledge
1a) between men
1a1) treaty, alliance, league (man to man)
1a2) constitution, ordinance (monarch to subjects)
1a3) agreement, pledge (man to man)
1a4) alliance (of friendship)
1a5) alliance (of marriage)
1b) between God and man
1b1) alliance (of friendship)
1b2) covenant (divine ordinance with signs or pledges)
2) (phrases)
2a) covenant making
2b) covenant keeping
2c) covenant violation
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H1262 (in the sense of cutting [like 1254])
See why it's good to be a berean? Study to show yourself what?
H1285
בּרית
berı̂yth
BDB Definition:
1) covenant, alliance, pledge
1a) between men
1a1) treaty, alliance, league (man to man)
1a2) constitution, ordinance (monarch to subjects)
1a3) agreement, pledge (man to man)
1a4) alliance (of friendship)
1a5) alliance (of marriage)
1b) between God and man
1b1) alliance (of friendship)
1b2) covenant (divine ordinance with signs or pledges)
2) (phrases)
2a) covenant making
2b) covenant keeping
2c) covenant violation
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H1262 (in the sense of cutting [like 1254])
See why it's good to be a berean? Study to show yourself what?
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
Circumcision is the sign of the purification works that PURIFIED the people and that means it JUSTIFIED them.
Romans 3:30
since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith.
That's not what the Word says YTG. He was reckoned righteous while he was yet ungodly. By His faith in believing what God said. Then the action.
Circumcision is a sign that there is covenant promise between God and man and the man benefits from the covenant. It's always faith that justifies a man/woman. True faith will respond.
Must go. Later.
This is what I say to you. You are making up your own doctrine. A foolish thing to do.
Believing made Abraham righteous VS circumcision.
That is about how we have to have faith in Jesus cleaning us, justifying us and not the purification works.
You will not find God's Truth by studying Greek or Mr. Strong's definitions.
Abraham HAD to OBEY God.
OBEYING GOD OR NOT OBEYING GOD IS NOT the issue!
Because EVERYONE is supposed to obey God!
The issue about Abraham's faith is NOT faith vs obedience---it is faith vs the the purification work called circumcision.