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This is so basic. So Sunday school basic that I wasn't even going to reply to something so ignorant. I'm going to c/p this because I am simply running out of patience debating someone who is so ignorant of Biblical salvation.
"The incident of King Saul's sin and the subsequent removal of the Holy Spirit can seem quite out of place to the modern New Testament believer. We often fail to understand that the Holy Spirit works in a variety of ways. The New Testament sense of the indwelling work of the Spirit in all believers and the intimate connection we find between eternal redemption and the Spirit's personal presence is not what is typically in view when the work of the Old Testament Scriptures discuss the Holy Spirit. The Spirit's work throughout Scripture is actually quite varied and was often not connected directly to salvation from sin at all. When the Spirit of God hovered over the waters in the work of creation (Genesis 1:2), for example, we shouldn't assume that it was to save the waters from their sins. So it is important to look at just what the "presence of the Holy Spirit" meant in the narrative of Saul, rather than immediately assuming a New Testament, salvific work is in view.
To understand this, we will need to briefly step back to much earlier in the narrative of Scripture. In Numbers 11 we are told the story of the people of Israel's grumbling and rebellion over the matter of having only manna to eat. This incident is the last straw for Moses, and he prays that if he has to continue to lead the people alone, he would rather God just kill him now. God then tells him to select 70 men who are among the authoritative elders of the tribes of Israel and to gather them at the tent of meeting. God then tells Moses:
"Then I will come down and speak with you there, and I will take of the Spirit who is upon you, and will put Him upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with you, so that you will not bear it all alone" (Numbers 11:17).
The passage describes Moses having the Spirit upon him uniquely and alone among Israel, and God is now going to give that Spirit to these seventy elders as well. He is not giving the Spirit to them based on their repentance or faith, nor for the purpose of their redemption. Instead, the Spirit is given to them so that they can share in the leadership of Israel along with Moses. So we see here a connection between God raising someone up to lead Israel, and God blessing that person with the unique presence of the Spirit to carry out this role. The passage goes on to explain:
"Then the Lord came down in the cloud and spoke to him; and He took of the Spirit who was upon him and placed Him upon the seventy elders. And when the Spirit rested upon them, they prophesied. But they did not do it again," (Numbers 11:25).
Here we see that the elders prophesied when the Spirit first came upon them, but they did not prophesy after that. They did not take on a prophetic role, that was not the purpose God had given them the Spirit, but the Spirit did cause them to prophesy at the outset as a testimony to Israel that He had come upon these men and they were to be respected like Moses. Ultimately they were to share in Moses leadership role, but not in His prophetic role. One of the functions of the Holy Spirit was to work in those whom God had blessed to be leaders in Israel.
We see the same idea in Deuteronomy 34:9, which explains that the Spirit of Wisdom passed from Moses to Joshua and therefore the people listened to him and followed the Lord's commands. We also see throughout the book of Judges that when God raised up a judge to lead and deliver Israel, the Scripture says of him that "the Spirit of the Lord came upon him." As we track this through the Old Testament narrative, it should come as no surprise that when God chooses a man through the prophet Samuel to raise up as king over Israel, that He places His Spirit upon the man. Nothing is ever said about Saul's redemption or forgiveness of sins. It is all in the context of Saul having been chosen by God to be king. We even see an initial incident Saul prophesying when the Holy Spirit first comes upon him (1 Samuel 10:10) just we saw with the elders of Israel in Numbers 11. Like the elders of Israel, Saul does not prophesy regularly after this but is raised up to lead over Israel.
When we arrive at 1 Samuel 15, Saul sins before God by keeping what God had commanded him to utterly destroy, and Samuel says to him:
“The Lord has torn the kingdom of Israel from you today and has given it to your neighbor, who is better than you," (1 Samuel 15:28).
Chapter 16 then opens with Samuel being sent to the house of Jesse to anoint David as king in Saul's place. Verse 13 tells us:
"The Spirit of the Lord came mightily upon David from that day forward," (1 Samuel 16:13).
The very next verse explains:
"Now the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul," (1 Samuel 16:14).
The Spirit leaving Saul here is God removing His blessing on Saul as king of Israel. He gives His Spirit to David, the man He has chosen to replace Saul as king. The removal of the Spirit from one and the giving of the Spirit to the other was God's supernatural declaration that the throne had been taken from Saul and given to David. Saul may cling to His crown for a time, but God was no longer with him nor blessing his leadership. Israel had a new shepherd. God had raised up a new leader for his people. David was now God's chosen king.
The Holy Spirit worked among God's people in ways other than eternal redemption. He worked through chosen men to lead, guide, and deliver from trials. Once we understand this, we realize that incidents like that of Saul, while powerful and instructive, simply have no bearing on the discussion of eternal security and the permanence of the Spirit's redemptive work in Christ to those who are truly entrusted to Him."
Why Was The Holy Spirit Taken From Saul If Eternal Security Is True?
"The incident of King Saul's sin and the subsequent removal of the Holy Spirit can seem quite out of place to the modern New Testament believer. We often fail to understand that the Holy Spirit works in a variety of ways. The New Testament sense of the indwelling work of the Spirit in all believers and the intimate connection we find between eternal redemption and the Spirit's personal presence is not what is typically in view when the work of the Old Testament Scriptures discuss the Holy Spirit. The Spirit's work throughout Scripture is actually quite varied and was often not connected directly to salvation from sin at all. When the Spirit of God hovered over the waters in the work of creation (Genesis 1:2), for example, we shouldn't assume that it was to save the waters from their sins. So it is important to look at just what the "presence of the Holy Spirit" meant in the narrative of Saul, rather than immediately assuming a New Testament, salvific work is in view.
To understand this, we will need to briefly step back to much earlier in the narrative of Scripture. In Numbers 11 we are told the story of the people of Israel's grumbling and rebellion over the matter of having only manna to eat. This incident is the last straw for Moses, and he prays that if he has to continue to lead the people alone, he would rather God just kill him now. God then tells him to select 70 men who are among the authoritative elders of the tribes of Israel and to gather them at the tent of meeting. God then tells Moses:
"Then I will come down and speak with you there, and I will take of the Spirit who is upon you, and will put Him upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with you, so that you will not bear it all alone" (Numbers 11:17).
The passage describes Moses having the Spirit upon him uniquely and alone among Israel, and God is now going to give that Spirit to these seventy elders as well. He is not giving the Spirit to them based on their repentance or faith, nor for the purpose of their redemption. Instead, the Spirit is given to them so that they can share in the leadership of Israel along with Moses. So we see here a connection between God raising someone up to lead Israel, and God blessing that person with the unique presence of the Spirit to carry out this role. The passage goes on to explain:
"Then the Lord came down in the cloud and spoke to him; and He took of the Spirit who was upon him and placed Him upon the seventy elders. And when the Spirit rested upon them, they prophesied. But they did not do it again," (Numbers 11:25).
Here we see that the elders prophesied when the Spirit first came upon them, but they did not prophesy after that. They did not take on a prophetic role, that was not the purpose God had given them the Spirit, but the Spirit did cause them to prophesy at the outset as a testimony to Israel that He had come upon these men and they were to be respected like Moses. Ultimately they were to share in Moses leadership role, but not in His prophetic role. One of the functions of the Holy Spirit was to work in those whom God had blessed to be leaders in Israel.
We see the same idea in Deuteronomy 34:9, which explains that the Spirit of Wisdom passed from Moses to Joshua and therefore the people listened to him and followed the Lord's commands. We also see throughout the book of Judges that when God raised up a judge to lead and deliver Israel, the Scripture says of him that "the Spirit of the Lord came upon him." As we track this through the Old Testament narrative, it should come as no surprise that when God chooses a man through the prophet Samuel to raise up as king over Israel, that He places His Spirit upon the man. Nothing is ever said about Saul's redemption or forgiveness of sins. It is all in the context of Saul having been chosen by God to be king. We even see an initial incident Saul prophesying when the Holy Spirit first comes upon him (1 Samuel 10:10) just we saw with the elders of Israel in Numbers 11. Like the elders of Israel, Saul does not prophesy regularly after this but is raised up to lead over Israel.
When we arrive at 1 Samuel 15, Saul sins before God by keeping what God had commanded him to utterly destroy, and Samuel says to him:
“The Lord has torn the kingdom of Israel from you today and has given it to your neighbor, who is better than you," (1 Samuel 15:28).
Chapter 16 then opens with Samuel being sent to the house of Jesse to anoint David as king in Saul's place. Verse 13 tells us:
"The Spirit of the Lord came mightily upon David from that day forward," (1 Samuel 16:13).
The very next verse explains:
"Now the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul," (1 Samuel 16:14).
The Spirit leaving Saul here is God removing His blessing on Saul as king of Israel. He gives His Spirit to David, the man He has chosen to replace Saul as king. The removal of the Spirit from one and the giving of the Spirit to the other was God's supernatural declaration that the throne had been taken from Saul and given to David. Saul may cling to His crown for a time, but God was no longer with him nor blessing his leadership. Israel had a new shepherd. God had raised up a new leader for his people. David was now God's chosen king.
The Holy Spirit worked among God's people in ways other than eternal redemption. He worked through chosen men to lead, guide, and deliver from trials. Once we understand this, we realize that incidents like that of Saul, while powerful and instructive, simply have no bearing on the discussion of eternal security and the permanence of the Spirit's redemptive work in Christ to those who are truly entrusted to Him."
Why Was The Holy Spirit Taken From Saul If Eternal Security Is True?
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I believe Jesus when he says I am blessed when people insult me and falsely say all kinds of evil against me because of him.
The written Word of God says that I can use the Old Testament to correct and rebuke you.
You think you just debunked my saying Saul had the Holy Spirit taken from him?
Wow you are wrong.
That rock in the desert was Christ.
Read what Paul says about the time in the desert:
1 Corinthians 10
Warnings From Israel’s History
10 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
Did you read that? How do you ever get that it wasn't about salvation?
6 Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. 7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.”8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died.9 We should not test Christ, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes. 10 And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.
11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come.12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!13 No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.
It's about OBEYING GOD. You didn't know that did you.
You have got to be kidding. David praying for God not to take His Spirit from him and asking for forgiveness was an example of what we could all do when Jesus came and died for us.
What a shame.
The written Word of God says that I can use the Old Testament to correct and rebuke you.
You think you just debunked my saying Saul had the Holy Spirit taken from him?
Wow you are wrong.
That rock in the desert was Christ.
Read what Paul says about the time in the desert:
1 Corinthians 10
Warnings From Israel’s History
10 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
Did you read that? How do you ever get that it wasn't about salvation?
6 Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. 7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.”8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died.9 We should not test Christ, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes. 10 And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.
11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come.12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!13 No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.
It's about OBEYING GOD. You didn't know that did you.
You have got to be kidding. David praying for God not to take His Spirit from him and asking for forgiveness was an example of what we could all do when Jesus came and died for us.
What a shame.
Yes indeed he did and the following which is false and not of God
YourTruthGod said:
Of course we can do righteous things to get saved. Obeying Jesus is righteous
YourTruthGod said:
Of course we can do righteous things to get saved. Obeying Jesus is righteous
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He has hia personal revelation and the following which is false....
YourTruthGod said:
Of course we can do righteous things to get saved. Obeying Jesus is righteous
YourTruthGod said:
Of course we can do righteous things to get saved. Obeying Jesus is righteous
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Do not forget...he has a personal revelation from God and he can earn his salvation....the following is false...
YourTruthGod said:
Of course we can do righteous things to get saved. Obeying Jesus is righteous
YourTruthGod said:
Of course we can do righteous things to get saved. Obeying Jesus is righteous
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Hahhahha no doubt......any man that claims a special revelation is lying through his teeth....and the following is false to boot....
YourTruthGod said:
Of course we can do righteous things to get saved. Obeying Jesus is righteous
YourTruthGod said:
Of course we can do righteous things to get saved. Obeying Jesus is righteous
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Wow. Saul having the anointing taken from him and to have a demon come and pester him is a big
problem for those who are chosen, eternally and can never lose the blessing.
I never knew this was a problem for the once made eternal, irrevocable, because clearly not.
It is clear Paul says we are sealed with a deposit of the Holy Spirit which is Gods guarantee.
We no longer use seals much, but seals are stamps of authority which can be broken and removed.
But it just says the authority upon which this message is sent can only be broken by the authority
itself. And that is the point. The authority can still do what they like and take back the blessing as
was the case with Saul.
Thank you Jesus for demonstrating both the folly of such a absolute guarantee and disrespecting
Gods hand which demonstrates we should not test His grace or take it for granted.
To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me.
2 Cor 12:7
Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.
Rom 12:16
See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.
But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness.
Heb 3:12-13
problem for those who are chosen, eternally and can never lose the blessing.
I never knew this was a problem for the once made eternal, irrevocable, because clearly not.
It is clear Paul says we are sealed with a deposit of the Holy Spirit which is Gods guarantee.
We no longer use seals much, but seals are stamps of authority which can be broken and removed.
But it just says the authority upon which this message is sent can only be broken by the authority
itself. And that is the point. The authority can still do what they like and take back the blessing as
was the case with Saul.
Thank you Jesus for demonstrating both the folly of such a absolute guarantee and disrespecting
Gods hand which demonstrates we should not test His grace or take it for granted.
To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me.
2 Cor 12:7
Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.
Rom 12:16
See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.
But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness.
Heb 3:12-13
I realise one attitude we see demonstrated here, arrogance, and condescension.
A passage says what it says. It is always dependent on context and interpretation.
The question is always which context and interpretation are the speakers taking, and
upon what foundation is it being put forward.
Once commentators start into abuse, they know they neither have the argument or
ability to win, so must mock and attack the speaker. This is not Gods way and has never
been.
The point about obeying loving your enemy, is to understand who they are and why they
hold the arguments and positions they do. But to do this requires a vast amount of self
honesty and knowledge of truth. It makes ones enemy like oneself, and needs insight into
why and how the truth works through in God and Jesus.
The best test I know to show where one is is to complement those who oppose you and
see their strengths. Then find out why they are as they are, and address the real issues
we have when we stand before the King. People will always invent and distort their positions
to be able to hold contradictatory ideas, but we just need to proclaim the truth that shines
like a light through all of this, because that is the nature of truth and Jesus.
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.
John 3:19-21
A passage says what it says. It is always dependent on context and interpretation.
The question is always which context and interpretation are the speakers taking, and
upon what foundation is it being put forward.
Once commentators start into abuse, they know they neither have the argument or
ability to win, so must mock and attack the speaker. This is not Gods way and has never
been.
The point about obeying loving your enemy, is to understand who they are and why they
hold the arguments and positions they do. But to do this requires a vast amount of self
honesty and knowledge of truth. It makes ones enemy like oneself, and needs insight into
why and how the truth works through in God and Jesus.
The best test I know to show where one is is to complement those who oppose you and
see their strengths. Then find out why they are as they are, and address the real issues
we have when we stand before the King. People will always invent and distort their positions
to be able to hold contradictatory ideas, but we just need to proclaim the truth that shines
like a light through all of this, because that is the nature of truth and Jesus.
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.
John 3:19-21
I like this argument. It seems robust and whole.
We have people who believe God loves them, "self-righteous Cainologist" who God condemns.
We have people who believe in the Sacrifice of Jesus, saved for good works.
We have another theology behind this which is putting effort into ones walk in Christ is evil.
It is unspoken, but comes out in doing things of the flesh or the Spirit. Evil is anything done in the flesh
no matter what it is, so no good thing exists that anyone except a believer does in the Spirit.
So righteous redeemed people putting any effort into their faith are now evil Cainologists.
Those who do nothing but trust Jesus are the true spiritual individuals.
But this is just not in scripture, but has taken over the minds of many who claim the name Christian.
And one principle idea, is the protestant work ethic.
Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men,
because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free.
Eph 6:7-8
This group have thrown this out the window, as they only serve themselves through slough.
They are not following God or the principle God rewards righteous behaviour.
But if a wicked man turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he will save his life.
Because he considers all the offenses he has committed and turns away from them, he will surely live; he will not die.
Ezek 18:27-28
The slough group believe we have everything given to us through Jesus so we must rest is slough.
Little surprise people love this, because slough takes no effort at all, lol
We have people who believe God loves them, "self-righteous Cainologist" who God condemns.
We have people who believe in the Sacrifice of Jesus, saved for good works.
We have another theology behind this which is putting effort into ones walk in Christ is evil.
It is unspoken, but comes out in doing things of the flesh or the Spirit. Evil is anything done in the flesh
no matter what it is, so no good thing exists that anyone except a believer does in the Spirit.
So righteous redeemed people putting any effort into their faith are now evil Cainologists.
Those who do nothing but trust Jesus are the true spiritual individuals.
But this is just not in scripture, but has taken over the minds of many who claim the name Christian.
And one principle idea, is the protestant work ethic.
Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men,
because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free.
Eph 6:7-8
This group have thrown this out the window, as they only serve themselves through slough.
They are not following God or the principle God rewards righteous behaviour.
But if a wicked man turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he will save his life.
Because he considers all the offenses he has committed and turns away from them, he will surely live; he will not die.
Ezek 18:27-28
The slough group believe we have everything given to us through Jesus so we must rest is slough.
Little surprise people love this, because slough takes no effort at all, lol
Hi TT,
You reminded me of someone else I knew who spoke as if the enemy were so so so so so evil.
And my question was, do you love me?
We as follows of Jesus are commanded to love our enemies. And I remember you asked Grace101
do we have to love everyone?
You obviously have a problem with this. And my friend I do admire you ability to use very
annoying phrases like "cainologists" or "sugar coated gospel"
I know why you do it, because it creates consternation and confusion in your opponents which you
delight in, because they do not expect such things from a believer, and spoken with such depth of
feeling. And there is great truth in these comments, and great evil occurred through Cain, he murdered
his brother, and making a faith based on idealism, while sin, allegiance and domination, has lead to
the death of many.
So I then realised because I truly love you, I know some of what you are expressing and feeling.
And so my question is, do you love me?
Can you see what I am striving and seeking to find as Jesus calls me to?
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
Matt 5:6
It takes effort to hunger and thirst, but Jesus says those will be filled
But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.
Matt 6:33
Seeking the Kingdom takes effort, and in so doing we will find all our needs met.
I am a simple man who takes Jesus at His word, because He is the Son of God, our Saviour and Lord.
So if you love Jesus, you will then love me, and encourage me to do the things Jesus called us to do.
You reminded me of someone else I knew who spoke as if the enemy were so so so so so evil.
And my question was, do you love me?
We as follows of Jesus are commanded to love our enemies. And I remember you asked Grace101
do we have to love everyone?
You obviously have a problem with this. And my friend I do admire you ability to use very
annoying phrases like "cainologists" or "sugar coated gospel"
I know why you do it, because it creates consternation and confusion in your opponents which you
delight in, because they do not expect such things from a believer, and spoken with such depth of
feeling. And there is great truth in these comments, and great evil occurred through Cain, he murdered
his brother, and making a faith based on idealism, while sin, allegiance and domination, has lead to
the death of many.
So I then realised because I truly love you, I know some of what you are expressing and feeling.
And so my question is, do you love me?
Can you see what I am striving and seeking to find as Jesus calls me to?
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
Matt 5:6
It takes effort to hunger and thirst, but Jesus says those will be filled
But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.
Matt 6:33
Seeking the Kingdom takes effort, and in so doing we will find all our needs met.
I am a simple man who takes Jesus at His word, because He is the Son of God, our Saviour and Lord.
So if you love Jesus, you will then love me, and encourage me to do the things Jesus called us to do.
E
He never reads what I write, but he always has to respond, odd that, lol hahahahaha
I mean really!!!!! How often do they have to be exposed that they do this before they see it?
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One thing is for sure, He has made it to the point ANYONE who knows the bible can see right through him. About the only people that may look at him are those who believe the same as he does. So they will like him and his posts because it supports them also. Which exposes them also.
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But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness.
We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.
As has just been said: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion."
Heb 3:13-15
What we face daily on this thread can damage ones heart and approach in love and life if Christ.
These are well meaning dedicated people who have believed a set of morals or perspectives that
are not from Jesus or scriptural, which makes it hard for us to pin down or even understand.
Everything is evil unless done in the Spirit, makes trusting in someones sincerity or honesty impossible.
Believing slough is Gods way, any effort or desire to be righteous or holy is evil.
Hating individuals who one has labelled as false teachers or wolves is acceptable behaviour.
Abuse and being disparaging of such evil people is what they deserve.
Privilege is our gift from God, and having any doubts is satanic.
Satan uses scripture to cause condemnation, so any conviction feelings are not God even when from His word.
You only need to love your fellow believers.
Fear is evil, so fearing God is of satan, because God forgives us while we sin.
There is only one view of a passage, and they possess it.
A good teacher is essential, the Holy Spirit cannot be relied upon
The church is brainwashed to believe the creeds and statements of faith
Little wonder simple believers in Jesus and the cross find it so hard to get through or have
true fellowship with such as these.
I rejoice the way of Jesus is just listening to Him and following, have His word dwell in your hearts
day in, day out, and nothing can defeat you, whether hear on earth or in the heavens above, because
we are in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour, Amen
We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.
As has just been said: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion."
Heb 3:13-15
What we face daily on this thread can damage ones heart and approach in love and life if Christ.
These are well meaning dedicated people who have believed a set of morals or perspectives that
are not from Jesus or scriptural, which makes it hard for us to pin down or even understand.
Everything is evil unless done in the Spirit, makes trusting in someones sincerity or honesty impossible.
Believing slough is Gods way, any effort or desire to be righteous or holy is evil.
Hating individuals who one has labelled as false teachers or wolves is acceptable behaviour.
Abuse and being disparaging of such evil people is what they deserve.
Privilege is our gift from God, and having any doubts is satanic.
Satan uses scripture to cause condemnation, so any conviction feelings are not God even when from His word.
You only need to love your fellow believers.
Fear is evil, so fearing God is of satan, because God forgives us while we sin.
There is only one view of a passage, and they possess it.
A good teacher is essential, the Holy Spirit cannot be relied upon
The church is brainwashed to believe the creeds and statements of faith
Little wonder simple believers in Jesus and the cross find it so hard to get through or have
true fellowship with such as these.
I rejoice the way of Jesus is just listening to Him and following, have His word dwell in your hearts
day in, day out, and nothing can defeat you, whether hear on earth or in the heavens above, because
we are in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour, Amen
If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.
For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it.
Matt 16:24-25
I have wondered about the above phrase for all my life with Jesus.
There are some who are scared at potential impact of the words so they have to give guidance
what not to feel, how to take them, where to put them in context.
Gods approach is very different. He wants us to take the words and work them through, to
struggle with them, so see what they turn up in ourselves, to see these things, bring them
to the Lord and walk on. The power of these words is they will have a different impact on
everyone, and this is the point. We are the ones with sin and our distortions, God is plain,
straight and sorted. When the light shines it means we can work on sorting out that which
is wrong and doing that which is right.
Those who hate God and do not trust His ways or His word, invalidate this process and
create barriers, interpretations, contexts to be sure one view dominates and cannot leave
it to God and the Holy Spirit to lead His people into His truth.
For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it.
Matt 16:24-25
I have wondered about the above phrase for all my life with Jesus.
There are some who are scared at potential impact of the words so they have to give guidance
what not to feel, how to take them, where to put them in context.
Gods approach is very different. He wants us to take the words and work them through, to
struggle with them, so see what they turn up in ourselves, to see these things, bring them
to the Lord and walk on. The power of these words is they will have a different impact on
everyone, and this is the point. We are the ones with sin and our distortions, God is plain,
straight and sorted. When the light shines it means we can work on sorting out that which
is wrong and doing that which is right.
Those who hate God and do not trust His ways or His word, invalidate this process and
create barriers, interpretations, contexts to be sure one view dominates and cannot leave
it to God and the Holy Spirit to lead His people into His truth.