It's very simple to understand. Since we know that anyone's name not found in the book of life is cast into the lake of fire, then there can't possibly be any of the wicked wandering around outside the gates of the New Jerusalem. Do you actually think that God would allow that? It's your understanding of what "outside the city" refers to that is messing you up.
Who are those outside the city in Revelation 22?
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If I recall I don’t think the Bible mentions the center of earth as hell, though for thousands of years the lava that flows from the earths belly is quite hellish and can have a devastating impact on human life on earth. the theory is a theory the center of earth is hell. though the Bible seems to point to hell as being outside of earth, burning and shall consume the earth with her increase.
Deu 32:22
For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
Deu 32:22
For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
Good day KnowMe,
It depends on which Hebrew/Greek word is being translated as "Hell."
Tartartus = Used once in 2 Peter to describe the destination of those angels who sinned, which is most likely referring to those angels who took wives from the humanity.
Sheol/Hades = The place of departed spirits, which scripture does identify as being under the surface of the earth. Jesus Himself identified Hades has being under the earth when He said, "And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades."
Gehenna = This is referring to the lake of fire, the final place of punishment for everyone whose name is not found in the book of life, which is also called "the second death" and "everlasting fire" which Jesus mentions as being prepared for Satan and his angels.
I did a study some time ago of everywhere that Sheol, Hades and Gehenna are used. Below is a list of their characteristics:
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Characteristics of:
Is down under the earth - Gen.37:35, 42:38, 44:29, 44::31, Num.16:30, 16:33, Deut.32:22, 1 Sam.2:6, 2 kings 2:6, Job 11:7-8, 17:16, Ps.30:3, 86:13, Prov.9:18, 15:24, Isa.5:14, 14:9, 14:11, 14:15, Isa.38:18, Ezk.31:15-17, Ezk.32:21, Ezk.32:27, Mt.11:23, Lk.10:15,
Has multiple levels - Deut.32:22, Job 11:7-8,
Referred to as the pit - Job 17:13, Ps.30:3, Prov.1:12, Isa.14:15, Isa.38:18, Ezk.31:15-17
Has Chambers - Prov.7:27
Has Gates/Bars - Job 17:16, Isa.38:10, Mt.16:18
A place of torment in fire – Lk.16:23-24
Death and Hades personified, representing the same location – Rev.6:8, 20:14
Sheol (sheh-ole') The underworld (place to which the spirits of people descend at death)
Hades or the realm of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), including its accessories and inmates -- hell, pit.
Hades (hah'-dace) The unseen world:
hádēs (from 1 /A "not" and idein/eidō, "see") – properly, the "unseen place," referring to the (invisible) realm in which the unrighteous dead reside, i.e. the present dwelling place of all the departed (deceased); Hades.
It depends on which Hebrew/Greek word is being translated as "Hell."
Tartartus = Used once in 2 Peter to describe the destination of those angels who sinned, which is most likely referring to those angels who took wives from the humanity.
Sheol/Hades = The place of departed spirits, which scripture does identify as being under the surface of the earth. Jesus Himself identified Hades has being under the earth when He said, "And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades."
Gehenna = This is referring to the lake of fire, the final place of punishment for everyone whose name is not found in the book of life, which is also called "the second death" and "everlasting fire" which Jesus mentions as being prepared for Satan and his angels.
I did a study some time ago of everywhere that Sheol, Hades and Gehenna are used. Below is a list of their characteristics:
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Characteristics of:
Is down under the earth - Gen.37:35, 42:38, 44:29, 44::31, Num.16:30, 16:33, Deut.32:22, 1 Sam.2:6, 2 kings 2:6, Job 11:7-8, 17:16, Ps.30:3, 86:13, Prov.9:18, 15:24, Isa.5:14, 14:9, 14:11, 14:15, Isa.38:18, Ezk.31:15-17, Ezk.32:21, Ezk.32:27, Mt.11:23, Lk.10:15,
Has multiple levels - Deut.32:22, Job 11:7-8,
Referred to as the pit - Job 17:13, Ps.30:3, Prov.1:12, Isa.14:15, Isa.38:18, Ezk.31:15-17
Has Chambers - Prov.7:27
Has Gates/Bars - Job 17:16, Isa.38:10, Mt.16:18
A place of torment in fire – Lk.16:23-24
Death and Hades personified, representing the same location – Rev.6:8, 20:14
Sheol (sheh-ole') The underworld (place to which the spirits of people descend at death)
Hades or the realm of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), including its accessories and inmates -- hell, pit.
Hades (hah'-dace) The unseen world:
hádēs (from 1 /A "not" and idein/eidō, "see") – properly, the "unseen place," referring to the (invisible) realm in which the unrighteous dead reside, i.e. the present dwelling place of all the departed (deceased); Hades.
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Rev 22 is the end of the book, and is looking at the time of writer.
The city is the Kingdom of heaven today, and those outside are the current non-believers.
So the call is speaking to the readers of the book now, no longer looking after the judgement
seat. It is why it goes on to warn about adding to or taking away from the book.
The city is the Kingdom of heaven today, and those outside are the current non-believers.
So the call is speaking to the readers of the book now, no longer looking after the judgement
seat. It is why it goes on to warn about adding to or taking away from the book.
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It would appear to be defining the nature of the new order before the city came down on the last day prepared as the bride. They have a right or privilege to enter because they do the commandments . .Just describing the unbeliever in the world. Because they do not do His commandments they are left on the outside of Christianity.
On the last day. The new heavens will come into view at the same the lake of fire preforms it work. Both groups will not be living at the same time.
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Revelation 22
On the last day. The new heavens will come into view at the same the lake of fire preforms it work. Both groups will not be living at the same time.
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Revelation 22
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the womb is refferenced as the lowest parts of earth, I don’t think humans are created from hell.
Psalm 139:15
My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
so IMO the lowest parts of earth is a reference to something else.
the sun IMO would be a better example, for it is expanding in size to become a red giant and will ingulf the earth and burn up the mountains, then the sun will supernova and be no more, the whole solar system destroyed. once andromeda crashes with the Milky Way there will be no more Milky Way or andromeda but a new bigger galaxy.
Psalm 139:15
My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
so IMO the lowest parts of earth is a reference to something else.
the sun IMO would be a better example, for it is expanding in size to become a red giant and will ingulf the earth and burn up the mountains, then the sun will supernova and be no more, the whole solar system destroyed. once andromeda crashes with the Milky Way there will be no more Milky Way or andromeda but a new bigger galaxy.
Hello KnowMe,
Pay attention to the words "I will go down to Sheol." Do you know what the definition of the word Sheol is based on accumulative information from scripture? Job is not speaking about the grave, but the place of departed spirits after the death of the body. Therefore, when he says "I will go down to Sheol" he is referring to his spirit departing and going to that place, conscious and aware.
Regarding this, the Lord gave us insight into what happens at the time of death for both the righteous and the wicked, which is found in the event of "the rich man and Lazarus" found in Luke 16:19-31. Both Lazarus and the rich man die, with the angels taking Lazarus' and the rich man's spirit to Sheol/Hades. This area had two compartments, on one side was a place of comfort/paradise which was occupied by the righteous. The other area was a place of torment in flame, which is where the rich man went. Both of these compartments in Sheol/Hades, were separated by a great chasm, or ravine, so that no one could pass from either side, i.e. the righteous remain in the area of comfort and the wicked remain in the place of punishment.
Prior to Christ's resurrection, the comfort side of Sheol/Hades is where the spirits of the OT saints went to. When the unrighteous died, their spirits departed and went to the side of Sheol/Hades in torment in flame. Now, when a believer in Christ dies, their spirit departs and immediately goes to be in the presence of the Lord. However, when the wicked die, their spirits continue to go down into Sheol/Hades where they are in torment in flame, where they will remain until they are resurrected and will stand before God at the great white throne judgment. Anyone's name not found written in the book of life, will be cast into the lake of fire.
Pay attention to the words "I will go down to Sheol." Do you know what the definition of the word Sheol is based on accumulative information from scripture? Job is not speaking about the grave, but the place of departed spirits after the death of the body. Therefore, when he says "I will go down to Sheol" he is referring to his spirit departing and going to that place, conscious and aware.
Regarding this, the Lord gave us insight into what happens at the time of death for both the righteous and the wicked, which is found in the event of "the rich man and Lazarus" found in Luke 16:19-31. Both Lazarus and the rich man die, with the angels taking Lazarus' and the rich man's spirit to Sheol/Hades. This area had two compartments, on one side was a place of comfort/paradise which was occupied by the righteous. The other area was a place of torment in flame, which is where the rich man went. Both of these compartments in Sheol/Hades, were separated by a great chasm, or ravine, so that no one could pass from either side, i.e. the righteous remain in the area of comfort and the wicked remain in the place of punishment.
Prior to Christ's resurrection, the comfort side of Sheol/Hades is where the spirits of the OT saints went to. When the unrighteous died, their spirits departed and went to the side of Sheol/Hades in torment in flame. Now, when a believer in Christ dies, their spirit departs and immediately goes to be in the presence of the Lord. However, when the wicked die, their spirits continue to go down into Sheol/Hades where they are in torment in flame, where they will remain until they are resurrected and will stand before God at the great white throne judgment. Anyone's name not found written in the book of life, will be cast into the lake of fire.
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Most of them did miss your point.
Vs 6 is a shift.
6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
Jesus is now speaking to John wrapping up the vision.
As someone said from vs 6 onward is no longer "linear".
IOW, vs 15 does not necessarily need a timeline.
Read ch 22 again and start at vs 6 placing John as no longer in timeline but back on earth recieving a final exortation from Jesus.
Vs 6 is a shift.
6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
Jesus is now speaking to John wrapping up the vision.
As someone said from vs 6 onward is no longer "linear".
IOW, vs 15 does not necessarily need a timeline.
Read ch 22 again and start at vs 6 placing John as no longer in timeline but back on earth recieving a final exortation from Jesus.
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Hell is suffering the pangs of a corrupted creation without the rest we have in Christ. Christ sacrifice was living. God does not accept dead sacrifices. Those who know not Christ simply will not rise to new life on the last day. Those who do, have passed from death to life.
When mankind sinned by violating the commandment God corrupted his whole being heart soul flesh and mind.
He did not corrupt the flesh and not the spirit.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Cain referred to hell as more than he could bear. Christ bore it in our stead . We rest in Him
Genesis 4;13 And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
When mankind sinned by violating the commandment God corrupted his whole being heart soul flesh and mind.
He did not corrupt the flesh and not the spirit.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Cain referred to hell as more than he could bear. Christ bore it in our stead . We rest in Him
Genesis 4;13 And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
Good day KnowMe,
Consider this, I have given you all of the scriptures which refer to Sheol/Hades as "going down." Therefore, its location would have to be under the earth, for everything else would be "UP"
Consider also the location of the Abyss, which is also under the earth. In support of this, a star/angel having the key to the Abyss opens it and smoke rises out of the shaft of the Abyss. And out of the smoke, demonic beings resembling locusts come up out of the Abyss.
Consider this, I have given you all of the scriptures which refer to Sheol/Hades as "going down." Therefore, its location would have to be under the earth, for everything else would be "UP"
Consider also the location of the Abyss, which is also under the earth. In support of this, a star/angel having the key to the Abyss opens it and smoke rises out of the shaft of the Abyss. And out of the smoke, demonic beings resembling locusts come up out of the Abyss.
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