Not By Works
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Hi Bill,
sorry if I am being lazy, I just thought how we express the same beliefs can cause confusion.
It is why statements of faith help, because over time one can work towards a common language.
So great there is more agreement than some seem to suggest, with sweeping comments of
deceiver and false teacher.....
God bless you
sorry if I am being lazy, I just thought how we express the same beliefs can cause confusion.
It is why statements of faith help, because over time one can work towards a common language.
So great there is more agreement than some seem to suggest, with sweeping comments of
deceiver and false teacher.....
God bless you
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I think you need to start reading scripture in the context within which it was written and the audience for whom it was written first and foremost.
This is called audience relevance.
It would seem by everything you have written so far on here, shows an elevation of verses from James falsely misunderstood btw... to promote "salvation is also by works" and then the suppression of the truth of other verses which plainly state the salvation is completely by grace through faith apart from works.
And please demonstrate to me that those works in Ephesians was only a reference to purification works??
This is called audience relevance.
It would seem by everything you have written so far on here, shows an elevation of verses from James falsely misunderstood btw... to promote "salvation is also by works" and then the suppression of the truth of other verses which plainly state the salvation is completely by grace through faith apart from works.
And please demonstrate to me that those works in Ephesians was only a reference to purification works??
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Oh TT.
You are not sinless.
And you only want to sin less.
Well that's you off my Christmas Card list.
You are not sinless.
And you only want to sin less.
Well that's you off my Christmas Card list.
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You want proof from scripture that the works are the purification works, well here it is:
Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
See how Paul in all his letters NEVER EVER say anything like what you say. Notice Paul says 'not of works' and the word CIRCUMCISION is nearby. Notice that Paul never ever says we are saved by faith and not of repenting of sins, or doing right.
Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
See how Paul in all his letters NEVER EVER say anything like what you say. Notice Paul says 'not of works' and the word CIRCUMCISION is nearby. Notice that Paul never ever says we are saved by faith and not of repenting of sins, or doing right.
How do we evangelise across denominations?
My approach is to shine like a light and encourage people to seek Jesus in the word and in prayer.
Now I have never found it works to call them deceived, doomed to hell, and inspired by satan.
What does work is to encourage people to seek Jesus, to repent of their sins and to seek resolution
through the cross and seek guidence through His word.
Now this is very different from what I see and hear here, on a daily basis.
Jesus calls us to be a light, to be an example of His Holy Spirit, patience, love, self control, kindness,
goodness.
I have often seen when I say this, rather than yes this is what Jesus calls us to do, I am told how I
have failed, and examples pulled out, as if the issue is perfection rather than being a light to Jesus
is earthen vessels. It strikes me we have legalists who are happy to judge others while giving
themselves no obligationations at all. But then if one is not a vessel of light, or an example of the
work of God in man, then this all makes sense, but suggests if the light is not there, one needs to
find it.
My approach is to shine like a light and encourage people to seek Jesus in the word and in prayer.
Now I have never found it works to call them deceived, doomed to hell, and inspired by satan.
What does work is to encourage people to seek Jesus, to repent of their sins and to seek resolution
through the cross and seek guidence through His word.
Now this is very different from what I see and hear here, on a daily basis.
Jesus calls us to be a light, to be an example of His Holy Spirit, patience, love, self control, kindness,
goodness.
I have often seen when I say this, rather than yes this is what Jesus calls us to do, I am told how I
have failed, and examples pulled out, as if the issue is perfection rather than being a light to Jesus
is earthen vessels. It strikes me we have legalists who are happy to judge others while giving
themselves no obligationations at all. But then if one is not a vessel of light, or an example of the
work of God in man, then this all makes sense, but suggests if the light is not there, one needs to
find it.
A meaningless loop
To obey Jesus is to believe Jesus. If belief was only believing Him, then Jesus does not have
to say anything, whatever He says, if I believe it, I am obeying Him, even if I do not understand
it, obey it, follow it, act on it, or do not act on it.
The only reason this loop is used is because people cannot obey Jesus's commands and want
to ignore them. But again this is absurd as Jesus says this is my commandment to you, to love
one another as I have loved you.
But the emotional truth is do not read the bible, only the bits that make you feel good, and shut
out things that make you feel bad because that is satan.
Once the language says satan, any preacher who causes discomfort, that is satan.
I have never known walking with Christ is anything but discomfort, because I am a redeemed saint
working through my failures and issues, which my whole being wants to ignore and God wants to
gentle mold and teach me how to overcome and walk in His will.
Jesus's way is the way of pain, being hurt, mourning, poor in spirit, forgiving others, being hit, ignored
beaten up, and hated. This is all hard and full of great discomfort, or full of self indulgence or greed.
To obey Jesus is to believe Jesus. If belief was only believing Him, then Jesus does not have
to say anything, whatever He says, if I believe it, I am obeying Him, even if I do not understand
it, obey it, follow it, act on it, or do not act on it.
The only reason this loop is used is because people cannot obey Jesus's commands and want
to ignore them. But again this is absurd as Jesus says this is my commandment to you, to love
one another as I have loved you.
But the emotional truth is do not read the bible, only the bits that make you feel good, and shut
out things that make you feel bad because that is satan.
Once the language says satan, any preacher who causes discomfort, that is satan.
I have never known walking with Christ is anything but discomfort, because I am a redeemed saint
working through my failures and issues, which my whole being wants to ignore and God wants to
gentle mold and teach me how to overcome and walk in His will.
Jesus's way is the way of pain, being hurt, mourning, poor in spirit, forgiving others, being hit, ignored
beaten up, and hated. This is all hard and full of great discomfort, or full of self indulgence or greed.