Not By Works

[YourTruthGod]

WOW. How did Luther preach a false gospel?

Luther taught infant baptism for one thing. Luther also taught that God causes people to believe before they believe on their own.

So you dont agree with Luther OR catholics? EVeryone is wrong?

Jesus is right. Get his teachings in the Holy Bible and do what he says and you will find out.

You sound like you are preaching that nobody is saved, 0 hope message. If someone just got saved and reads your laundry list of things you have to do to be saved, they will get DISCOURAGED

Why???
Have a humble heart and you try.

Who has time to repent in a SECOND for everything?

It might take more than a second.

 

[Hevosmies]

It might take more than a second.

I will latch on to this one

So its not possible for my neighbor to get saved in a second? He has to start repenting and only once he is completed the laundry list he is saved?

 

[YourTruthGod]

I will latch on to this one

So its not possible for my neighbor to get saved in a second? He has to start repenting and only once he is completed the laundry list he is saved?

We need to teach people that they can search for God on their own and we need to tell them how to find God on their own.

 

[UnderGrace]

He won't answer....too embarassed and ahsamed to admit who he affiliates with......and his "I have special revealed knowledge that most don't know" is clue enough that he should be shunned and given no audience......that is cult like and only a few embrace that deception

I would agree, one would certainly want to denounce those cults to retain any credibility, not sure why he would agree Jesus is God though...well there are many strange churches out there ...Christian Science could be more a better possibilty

 

[TruthTalk]

Justify asking me that.
I don't have to answer any and all questions here.
Prove what I have said is what the Mormons teach.
Do it now and back it up with quotes from their book or books.

Are you Mormon or not -- "Yes or No", please answer the question and tell "Your Truth"

1Peter 3:15
"but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence;"

 

[VCO]

Did you think you were supposed to go by two ex Catholics named Luther and Calvin?

Ex Catholics it a PLUS IN THEIR FAVOR; while YOUR so-called Faith includes THE CATHOLIC WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS THEORY TO THE LETTER.

Romans 4:5 (ESV)
5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,

Romans 4:9 (ESV)
9 Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? For we say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness.

Romans 4:21-25 (ESV)
21 fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised.
22 That is why his faith was “counted to him as righteousness.”
23 But the words “it was counted to him” were not written for his sake alone,
24 but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord,
25 who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification.


Here is the verse that will blow your whole wild theory, clean out of the water.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.


Here is your RECENT STATEMENT:

"No one is saved until they obey by repenting of sins."

THAT, Makes your statement a TOTAL LIE, and a FALSE DOCTRINE.

 

[UnderGrace]

Are you Mormon or not -- "Yes or No", please answer the question and tell "Your Truth"

1Peter 3:15
"but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence;"

I am leaning more towards Christian Science although I am sure we will never know.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Ex Catholics it a PLUS IN THEIR FAVOR; while YOUR so-called Faith includes THE CATHOLIC WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS THEORY TO THE LETTER.

They still taught infant baptism.

Romans 4:5 (ESV)
5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,

Paul is saying don't get circumcised.

Romans 4:9 (ESV)
9 Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? For we say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness.

See, didn't I tell you?
That is about not of the works of the law which circumcision in the flesh is a must do.

Romans 4:21-25 (ESV)
21 fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised.
22 That is why his faith was “counted to him as righteousness.”
23 But the words “it was counted to him” were not written for his sake alone,
24 but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord,
25 who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification.

You left out the part about...CIRCUMCSION.

Here is the verse that will blow your whole wild theory, clean out of the water.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

We have to do God's works.

Here is your RECENT STATEMENT:

"No one is saved until they obey by repenting of sins."

THAT, Makes your statement a TOTAL LIE, and a FALSE DOCTRINE.

Repent of sins to be saved---

Isaiah 59:20 “The Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who repent of their sins,” declares the Lord.

Repent of sins to be saved---

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “the Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”

...and many more.

 

[cjamesfly2007]

It does not get any plainer..........Our righteous works have ZERO to do with Salvation!

English Standard Version
he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Berean Study Bible
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.

Berean Literal Bible
He saved us, not by works in righteousness that we did, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

New American Standard Bible
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

King James Bible
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

So i like to think of it this way

We perform works because we are grateful for the grace imparted to us. The fruit of our salvation granted by the Holy Spirit within us does not prove our salvation it simply displays it that our heavenly Father may be glorified and others may come to know him.

 

[Hevosmies]

We need to teach people that they can search for God on their own and we need to tell them how to find God on their own.

Evasion!

So can my neighbor get saved in a second or no?

 

[TruthTalk]

I am leaning more towards Christian Science although I am sure we will never know.

You maybe right even so YourTruthGod needs to come clean with his theological view point and be truthful as all of us are on this forum. By being evasive he is only raising a "Red Flag" to everyone here.

1Peter 3:15
"but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence;"

 

[Hevosmies]

I am leaning more towards Christian Science although I am sure we will never know.

Now you've done it! Another movement I have to look up lol . Never heard of Christian Science.

 

[PennEd]

Luther taught infant baptism for one thing. Luther also taught that God causes people to believe before they believe on their own.

Jesus is right. Get his teachings in the Holy Bible and do what he says and you will find out.

Why???
Have a humble heart and you try.

It might take more than a second.

You are utterly lost, but what's worse is that you don't even know how completely lost you are.

John1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His [c]own, and His [d]own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, NOR OF THE WILL OF THE FLESH ,NOR OF THE WILL OF MAN, BUT OF GOD.

Everyone who is a born again child of God is so because of HIS WILL, not your will and CERTAINLY not because you trample on Jesus Blood by achieving Salvation through your efforts.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Evasion!

So can my neighbor get saved in a second or no?

God knows the heart. Do they want God more than anyone and anything? Are they ready to give up all their sins and die to the sins of the world and live to please Jesus?
Your neighbors need to hear the truth.
Read the scriptures how the people had to hear the message that saves and they were people who did right and repented of their sins.

 

[YourTruthGod]

You are utterly lost, but what's worse is that you don't even know how completely lost you are.

John1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His [c]own, and His [d]own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, NOR OF THE WILL OF THE FLESH ,NOR OF THE WILL OF MAN, BUT OF GOD.

See John 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

Did you read how the scripture says 'not of natural descent'?

Natural decent is about those to whom we are blood related.

The written Word of God says NOT of natural descent. That means it does not matter if someone is blood related to Abraham.

See how the scripture says not of human decision?

That is about a human cannot say they are saved by just saying it.

See how the scripture says not of a husband's will?

That is about a husband not being able to have his wife become a Jew, or even a Christian, by converting her with certain rituals.

In the past, a Jew could marry and she performs the practices of Judaism, and so become a Jew and a child of God...this is no more now since Jesus.

Being born of God is how we are now saved. We are born of God by receiving the Holy Spirit. We receive the Holy Spirit by asking Jesus to save us, after we repent of our sins and call on him. When Jesus saves us and gives us his Holy Spirit that is when we are born again.

 

[TruthTalk]

We need to teach people that they can search for God on their own and we need to tell them how to find God on their own.

Lost sinners need to hear the gospel preached and how can they hear without someone preaching.

Your gospel is counterfeit

Romans10:14
How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?"

 

[YourTruthGod]

Lost sinners need to hear the gospel preached and how can they hear without someone preaching.

Your gospel is counterfeit

Romans10:14
How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?"

Tell your neighbors to get the Holy Bible and to look up Jesus' teachings in the New Testament and just believe and do what he says.

What does Jesus start off by saying?

Jesus starts off by saying to repent of your sins.

He also teaches to believe in him.

He teaches faith in him and how we are to be humble like good little children.

 

[YourTruthGod]

So i like to think of it this way

We perform works because we are grateful for the grace imparted to us. The fruit of our salvation granted by the Holy Spirit within us does not prove our salvation it simply displays it that our heavenly Father may be glorified and others may come to know him.

So much confusion about obey or not to obey, and how to say it without condemning yourself.
OBEY! It is right and good all the time!

 

[VCO]

They still taught infant baptism.

Paul is saying don't get circumcised.

See, didn't I tell you?
That is about not of the works of the law which circumcision in the flesh is a must do.


You left out the part about...CIRCUMCSION.



We have to do God's works.


Repent of sins to be saved---

Isaiah 59:20 “The Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who repent of their sins,” declares the Lord.

Repent of sins to be saved---

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “the Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”

...and many more.

I have had MORMON MISSIONARIES TELL ME, "SO WHAT if our Theology Contradicts the Scriptures, the BIBLE IS FULL OF CONTRADICTIONS." That is their EXCUSE for Constantly contradicting the BIBLE with their THEOLOGY.

Psalm 19:7-9 (ESV)
7 The law of the LORD is perfect, reviving the soul; the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple;
8 the precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes;
9 the fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; the rules of the LORD are true, and righteous altogether.

NO CONTRADICTIONS.

 

[UnderGrace]

Tell your neighbors to get the Holy Bible and to look up Jesus' teachings in the New Testament and just believe and do what he says.

What does Jesus start off by saying?

Jesus starts off by saying to repent of your sins.

He also teaches to believe in him.

He teaches faith in him and how we are to be humble like good little children.

Mr. YTG, you seem to have no idea what "repent" means btw

So your divine private revelation missed a key truth.