Would you feel comfortable owning stolen property?
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I first started reading Little House on the Prairie this year, as never read or watched the tv show before, and found out a lot of things with biographies and historical accounts of the era and the author what happned with the Homsteading act in the midwest, basically the US govt (at the time, predomiately white and expansionist) did drive off the native americans from their lands, the native ameiricans did retaliate, but in the end they did give up the land (some would say they were forced to concede or surrender) .
So it got populated with white settlers who were enticed with offers of free land, provided they stayed on it for a length of time and' proved ' it up in five years.
Many werent aware the land was stolen. They thought the land was free and only had to claim it. Some of the native americans did come back cos that land was their hunting grounds or sacred bural grounds. Just cos they didnt have any permanent buildings on it didnt mean it wasnt their land.
Anyway what happned was the homesteaders tried to make money off their land by plowing it and growing wheat for export, but they were warned by the native americans the land was arid and not good for growin crops as it was prairie grassland better for grazing. The govt lied to the people and said if they grew crops the rains would follow. Well the first few years were good and wet and they had bonanza ceops but then the dry years came and then...the pests...and the winds blew the top soil away because of bad farming practices and thus the dustbowl was created. And people and animals starved and died.
Later it did come right again only to happen repeatedly until the land was desolate, then someone got the bright idea to steal water from somewhere else (another states water) and use irrigation. Well it can only last so long because that river will run dry if it keeps diverting to irrigate these crops.
So it got populated with white settlers who were enticed with offers of free land, provided they stayed on it for a length of time and' proved ' it up in five years.
Many werent aware the land was stolen. They thought the land was free and only had to claim it. Some of the native americans did come back cos that land was their hunting grounds or sacred bural grounds. Just cos they didnt have any permanent buildings on it didnt mean it wasnt their land.
Anyway what happned was the homesteaders tried to make money off their land by plowing it and growing wheat for export, but they were warned by the native americans the land was arid and not good for growin crops as it was prairie grassland better for grazing. The govt lied to the people and said if they grew crops the rains would follow. Well the first few years were good and wet and they had bonanza ceops but then the dry years came and then...the pests...and the winds blew the top soil away because of bad farming practices and thus the dustbowl was created. And people and animals starved and died.
Later it did come right again only to happen repeatedly until the land was desolate, then someone got the bright idea to steal water from somewhere else (another states water) and use irrigation. Well it can only last so long because that river will run dry if it keeps diverting to irrigate these crops.
Hello. I have done a fair amount of research on the native americans. I learned many things and so much is not taught in schools concerning the truth. So many do not know and for the most part dont really seem to care. Was was done to these people was horrific. I cant say all of the things that were done to them, i would be typing for weeks. The thing is is that to this present day they languish in terrible suffering because of the way they are forced to live. They can leave the reservation and live where they want as long as they dont live by their ways, they have to live by our laws. To most of us thats not a big deal, we can live wherever and do fine. But for them they must live the way they have lived for many thousands of years, if they cannot live that way then they suffer badly if they cannot. This is called a indiginous race and cannot be moved or forced to live another way because they as the people that they die off because of this in a extremely slow death.
There is a book that i had bought called "weve done them wrong" written by george surnam. The more i read the more sickened i became as to just how bad they treated. One more point before i end this. There was someone watching the united states as they performed their genocide on these people. His name.....Hitler...this was written in his journals. Nice of the u.s. to give this man a fine example of to rid a land of a people.
Just a small excerpt from this book. God bless, sorry to bend your ear so much.
From the mountains, to the prairies
To the oceans white with foam,
Every Native American
Must leave his home.” l.
Imagine that someone comes to your home and forces you at gunpoint to leave. Your response might be termed “savage.”
“Savage” was how the New World invaders described American Indians. Settlers chased them across the continent, as the government signed treaties that they later broke. They also subjected the native inhabitants to horrible atrocities.
Author George E. Saurman, a World War II veteran and proud American, explores what really happened to Native American Indians, examining
• Native American Indian tribes and their customs;
• the actions of early settlers, including William Penn and his holy experiment;
• contributions of the Native American Indians; and
• conditions on reservations today.
Saurman also considers how the Bureau of Indian Affairs handled relations between natives and settlers, as well as what Native American Indians from the past and today have had to say about events.
Even today, broken promises obscure what’s really going on in Native American Indian communities. It’s time that a serious effort be made to rectify the situation, and it starts by realizing that We’ve Done Them Wrong.
There is a book that i had bought called "weve done them wrong" written by george surnam. The more i read the more sickened i became as to just how bad they treated. One more point before i end this. There was someone watching the united states as they performed their genocide on these people. His name.....Hitler...this was written in his journals. Nice of the u.s. to give this man a fine example of to rid a land of a people.
Just a small excerpt from this book. God bless, sorry to bend your ear so much.
From the mountains, to the prairies
To the oceans white with foam,
Every Native American
Must leave his home.” l.
Imagine that someone comes to your home and forces you at gunpoint to leave. Your response might be termed “savage.”
“Savage” was how the New World invaders described American Indians. Settlers chased them across the continent, as the government signed treaties that they later broke. They also subjected the native inhabitants to horrible atrocities.
Author George E. Saurman, a World War II veteran and proud American, explores what really happened to Native American Indians, examining
• Native American Indian tribes and their customs;
• the actions of early settlers, including William Penn and his holy experiment;
• contributions of the Native American Indians; and
• conditions on reservations today.
Saurman also considers how the Bureau of Indian Affairs handled relations between natives and settlers, as well as what Native American Indians from the past and today have had to say about events.
Even today, broken promises obscure what’s really going on in Native American Indian communities. It’s time that a serious effort be made to rectify the situation, and it starts by realizing that We’ve Done Them Wrong.
Earlier in my life I spent 2 1/2 years in ministry work among the American Indians. They are often fiercely independent and want little to do with the "white man's religion". When you look at their history of abuse by the white man, it is not hard to understand why.
Sadly, alcohol, abuse, and suicide are huge problems they are dealing with . . . But I have made some lifelong friends among the native peoples . . .
Sadly, alcohol, abuse, and suicide are huge problems they are dealing with . . . But I have made some lifelong friends among the native peoples . . .
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Just like all of us, they lead the life that they choose. I really don't focus on race or religion but on each unique individual. Regardless of who or what we are we all have our own cross to bear. I really don't feel sad for any group of people as each generation has it's own set of challenges. As for stealing land from the Native American Indian, who gave them ownership of this country in the first place? Maybe they stole it from someone else or perhaps even another tribe. This seems likely as all people are inclined to evil.
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Interesting you should bring them up. The u. s. has made reparations to them-instead of telling them to 'go back to where they come from.' The difference is that they weren't here, and yet they received the treatment that should've been given to the original inhabitants of this country.
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Yes, they are separate and different issues. The saddest thing is that-rather than acknowledging a wrong and making some attempt at reparations-as has been done by the u. s. government for African americans-the political mindset is to tell native leaders ridiculous nonsense like 'go back where you came from.' And to clarify, reparations would be as simple as saying 'we acknowledge our ancestors were wrong, and we apologize for the illegal, immoral, and unethical way they stole your land.' Clearly, they believed we owned the land, or they wouldn't have went to such great lengths to cheat us out of it.
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I agree, numbers wise that what was done to them was sadder. And I noted in another post that many natives were enslaved. The reasons they weren't enslaved as much was because they were usually killed instead. Also, if you know much about the reservations, then you'd see that was an even worse form of slavery. Even today, our legal status as dual citizens is-to quote from a book speaking on indian law-classified as 'wards of the u. s. government.'
Concerning Native Americans they were done wrong, and nothing to say against them, at least in this case, God bless them.
Concerning African Americans they were done wrong, but I have something to say against them.
And that is their whining attitude, and this has nothing to do with prejudice.
All nations, and ethnic groups push for power, but if they do not have the power they cry they are oppressive, and cruel, but if they had the power they would push it too.
God said they accuse, and excuse each other, which they point their finger and accuse, all the while make excuses for their own people, but they all act the same for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, and He said what makes you to differ from another person.
White guilt does not apply, and is void, for nobody is responsible for another person's sins for that is their sins.
If an African American shoots a white person then they are all guilty, see how that works.
White privilege does not apply, and is void, because African Americans will give African Americans privilege.
It is the way of the world, and all nations, and ethnic groups play the game, as they go forth pushing their agenda and ways against other people.
And oppression does not apply, and is void, for African Americans can be land owners, house owners, business owners, millionaires, billionaires, great jobs, pro sports players, musicians with recordings out, television actors, movie stars, judges, president, lawyers, and the such.
So what oppression are they talking about.
So the whining does not apply, and is void.
So what it boils down to is the African Americans are mad because they want the power, because if they had the power they would push it too, for such is the way of the world.
Which they push for power against each other in their communities testifying of it.
So should the white people feel sorry for the African Americans according to the course of the world, which they all act the same, and push for power against each other.
According to the ways of God they are not justified, but according to the course of the world the white people would be justified for that is the way of the world, and the way they behave, dog eat dog.
I say they are wrong, but according to the course of the world that is the game the world plays, and African Americans play the game also that are not with God in the truth, all the while crying about the white people that are also playing the game that is not with God in the truth.
If the white people are on top they cry they are oppressive, and cruel, all the while they want to be on top too.
All nations, and ethnic groups push for power, but when they do not have the power they cry they are oppressive, and cruel, all the while they want the power.
So their whining does not seem to be valid according to the course of the world.
And it is stupid when white people say, oh those black people, and when black people say, oh those white people, as if to label them all for the actions that they did of a few people, when they should say, oh those people and leave ethnic group out of it.
Anybody that says, oh those white people, or oh those black people, is a sure sign of prejudice.
But concerning the Native Americans the plan is to establish a nation that is different than England, or any other nation, to work in the world to try to bring them together, which on the back of the dollar bill, announcing the conception of a new order of the ages, and out of many one, so they were not going to let the Native Americans stand in their way, and that is why they were totally put out of power, so they could set up their governing bodies, and rule completely, to accomplish their goal.
But with the African Americans it was not like that for it was not their land, so they were not completely put out of power, for there was none there, and they mingle with the rest of the country.
Concerning African Americans they were done wrong, but I have something to say against them.
And that is their whining attitude, and this has nothing to do with prejudice.
All nations, and ethnic groups push for power, but if they do not have the power they cry they are oppressive, and cruel, but if they had the power they would push it too.
God said they accuse, and excuse each other, which they point their finger and accuse, all the while make excuses for their own people, but they all act the same for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, and He said what makes you to differ from another person.
White guilt does not apply, and is void, for nobody is responsible for another person's sins for that is their sins.
If an African American shoots a white person then they are all guilty, see how that works.
White privilege does not apply, and is void, because African Americans will give African Americans privilege.
It is the way of the world, and all nations, and ethnic groups play the game, as they go forth pushing their agenda and ways against other people.
And oppression does not apply, and is void, for African Americans can be land owners, house owners, business owners, millionaires, billionaires, great jobs, pro sports players, musicians with recordings out, television actors, movie stars, judges, president, lawyers, and the such.
So what oppression are they talking about.
So the whining does not apply, and is void.
So what it boils down to is the African Americans are mad because they want the power, because if they had the power they would push it too, for such is the way of the world.
Which they push for power against each other in their communities testifying of it.
So should the white people feel sorry for the African Americans according to the course of the world, which they all act the same, and push for power against each other.
According to the ways of God they are not justified, but according to the course of the world the white people would be justified for that is the way of the world, and the way they behave, dog eat dog.
I say they are wrong, but according to the course of the world that is the game the world plays, and African Americans play the game also that are not with God in the truth, all the while crying about the white people that are also playing the game that is not with God in the truth.
If the white people are on top they cry they are oppressive, and cruel, all the while they want to be on top too.
All nations, and ethnic groups push for power, but when they do not have the power they cry they are oppressive, and cruel, all the while they want the power.
So their whining does not seem to be valid according to the course of the world.
And it is stupid when white people say, oh those black people, and when black people say, oh those white people, as if to label them all for the actions that they did of a few people, when they should say, oh those people and leave ethnic group out of it.
Anybody that says, oh those white people, or oh those black people, is a sure sign of prejudice.
But concerning the Native Americans the plan is to establish a nation that is different than England, or any other nation, to work in the world to try to bring them together, which on the back of the dollar bill, announcing the conception of a new order of the ages, and out of many one, so they were not going to let the Native Americans stand in their way, and that is why they were totally put out of power, so they could set up their governing bodies, and rule completely, to accomplish their goal.
But with the African Americans it was not like that for it was not their land, so they were not completely put out of power, for there was none there, and they mingle with the rest of the country.
K
Two wrongs don't make a right. But since the beginning of time man has taken land from someone else. It is true that Native Americans took land from other Natives. That was as wrong as what was done by the "whites" to the Natives. All this land belongs to God,inside the church no grudges should be held,no racial disharmony. Not trying to slap your fingers. Just saying we all are one in Christ.
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