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I believe you are wrong in stating that working for money makes it your idol. Putting anything before God makes it your idol, if your number one drive in life is to make money than yes it’s your idol.
In the very begging God says in Gen 3:17,
To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat from it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life.
In the end ONLY God judges not man.
Matthew 7
Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. ...
In the very begging God says in Gen 3:17,
To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat from it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life.
In the end ONLY God judges not man.
Matthew 7
Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. ...
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Of course, there are many, Grace and works work together brother let’s start with this one first, where Jesus says Matthew 28:30, Mark 8:38, he says obey his commands. Ask yourself what commands? All commands.
John 2:14-20 read it, it says clearly that they where following Jesus commands. Works alone can not save us, only Grace through Jesus Christ is going to save us, but that doesn’t mean ignore the rest of Jesus commands and sit on are butt and serve money. Are you going to accuse the early Christians of working there way to heaven and tell them they where wrong for obeying Jesus commands? I don’t think so.
John 2:14-20 read it, it says clearly that they where following Jesus commands. Works alone can not save us, only Grace through Jesus Christ is going to save us, but that doesn’t mean ignore the rest of Jesus commands and sit on are butt and serve money. Are you going to accuse the early Christians of working there way to heaven and tell them they where wrong for obeying Jesus commands? I don’t think so.
I'm 90% with you on this JesusOnly777, and I admire your zeal.
But I don't have land to grow my own food or a fishing boat to catch my own fish.
And, so far, God hasn't put it in my hands to provide for myself by preaching a gospel anyone can get for free on the internet now.
And, in my mind, for me to quit my job and expect God to catch me before I hit the ground would be like throwing myself off the temple and expecting Him to send angels.
So I trade my effort in return for money, which in turn I then trade for food and clothing and shelter and other essentials and, regrettably, beer .
I live pay-check to pay-check.
And God doesn't put the food at the bird's feet but they have to work for it, hunting and gathering, which I imagine keeps them happy-busy.
To me my job is just another chore I have to do in order to sustain myself precisely so that I can preach the gospel.
And so I believe that as long as you only use money as a system of exchange to provide for your basic needs like food and clothing then you haven't sinned.
But, as soon as it becomes more than that, then I agree that you would have become its servant.
I struggle to make ends meet, mostly because of my own foolishness, but should I achieve more stability and start to have a surplus after my basic needs are met each month then I intend to devote it to bringing the bread of life to those who don't even know they're hungry yet.
Working along side others is a great opportunity to preach the gospel to them by your behavior as well as your words. If you have the Light in you, they should see something different.
But I don't have land to grow my own food or a fishing boat to catch my own fish.
And, so far, God hasn't put it in my hands to provide for myself by preaching a gospel anyone can get for free on the internet now.
And, in my mind, for me to quit my job and expect God to catch me before I hit the ground would be like throwing myself off the temple and expecting Him to send angels.
So I trade my effort in return for money, which in turn I then trade for food and clothing and shelter and other essentials and, regrettably, beer .
I live pay-check to pay-check.
And God doesn't put the food at the bird's feet but they have to work for it, hunting and gathering, which I imagine keeps them happy-busy.
To me my job is just another chore I have to do in order to sustain myself precisely so that I can preach the gospel.
And so I believe that as long as you only use money as a system of exchange to provide for your basic needs like food and clothing then you haven't sinned.
But, as soon as it becomes more than that, then I agree that you would have become its servant.
I struggle to make ends meet, mostly because of my own foolishness, but should I achieve more stability and start to have a surplus after my basic needs are met each month then I intend to devote it to bringing the bread of life to those who don't even know they're hungry yet.
Working along side others is a great opportunity to preach the gospel to them by your behavior as well as your words. If you have the Light in you, they should see something different.
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Brother I gave many many verses to support my claim (Jesus claim to be precise) and your defense is saying you don’t agree with what Jesus commands and you give me a Old Tastament verse to go against what Jesus said, The Word of God (Revelation 19:11-13). The Old Testament deos not overthrow the New, it’s actually the opposite. Listen to what Jesus says. You won’t have any excuses when faced with your creator.
Peace be apon you.
Peace be apon you.
I'm 90% with you on this JesusOnly777, and I admire your zeal.
But I don't have land to grow my own food or a fishing boat to catch my own fish.
And, so far, God hasn't put it in my hands to provide for myself by preaching a gospel anyone can get for free on the internet now.
And, in my mind, for me to quit my job and expect God to catch me before I hit the ground would be like throwing myself off the temple and expecting Him to send angels.
So I trade my effort in return for money, which in turn I then trade for food and clothing and shelter and other essentials and, regrettably, beer .
I live pay-check to pay-check.
And God doesn't put the food at the bird's feet but they have to work for it, hunting and gathering, which I imagine keeps them happy-busy.
To me my job is just another chore I have to do in order to sustain myself precisely so that I can preach the gospel.
And so I believe that as long as you only use money as a system of exchange to provide for your basic needs like food and clothing then you haven't sinned.
But, as soon as it becomes more than that, then I agree that you would have become its servant.
I struggle to make ends meet, mostly because of my own foolishness, but should I achieve more stability and start to have a surplus after my basic needs are met each month then I intend to devote it to bringing the bread of life to those who don't even know they're hungry yet.
Working along side others is a great opportunity to preach the gospel to them by your behavior as well as your words. If you have the Light in you, they should see something different.
But I don't have land to grow my own food or a fishing boat to catch my own fish.
And, so far, God hasn't put it in my hands to provide for myself by preaching a gospel anyone can get for free on the internet now.
And, in my mind, for me to quit my job and expect God to catch me before I hit the ground would be like throwing myself off the temple and expecting Him to send angels.
So I trade my effort in return for money, which in turn I then trade for food and clothing and shelter and other essentials and, regrettably, beer .
I live pay-check to pay-check.
And God doesn't put the food at the bird's feet but they have to work for it, hunting and gathering, which I imagine keeps them happy-busy.
To me my job is just another chore I have to do in order to sustain myself precisely so that I can preach the gospel.
And so I believe that as long as you only use money as a system of exchange to provide for your basic needs like food and clothing then you haven't sinned.
But, as soon as it becomes more than that, then I agree that you would have become its servant.
I struggle to make ends meet, mostly because of my own foolishness, but should I achieve more stability and start to have a surplus after my basic needs are met each month then I intend to devote it to bringing the bread of life to those who don't even know they're hungry yet.
Working along side others is a great opportunity to preach the gospel to them by your behavior as well as your words. If you have the Light in you, they should see something different.
I hope you can see what Jesus is saying brother, you can’t work for money and God at the same time (Matthew 6:24). Think about that verse, and think for yourself and ask Jesus wholeheartedly if that’s what he really meant. right after Mt 6:24, he says don’t worry about where you are going to get food, drink or clothes (6:25-26). Money is what people put there faith in, not God, money keeps you enslaved in the worldly system. A house payment, car, loans, monthly bills, education, even missionary work requires money now (which to me is crazy). So called Christians have worked more for the dollar bill in there life, than actually preaching the good news. You don’t need money to share the gospel, Jesus is prove of that. So are the early Christians in Acts 2:45-47, Acts 4:32. They all sold everything they had, (Luke 4:11, Luke 4:33, Luke 5:11) and shared everything with one another. Brother don’t you think how amazing of a witness it would be just to be content with food and clothing (1 Timothy 6:8-9)?
Anyways I am glad you see what Jesus is saying partially, its hard to think of being homeless or not having a monthly income to support yourself in the 21st century, but I have done this myself and God has provided everything when I went out to Houston and preached. Didn’t pay for anything. Test Jesus on his Word, go out with no purse or food and just preach the 4 gospels and you will see he does provide.
Peace be with you brother.
So you disagree with what God said in genesis about painful toil we will eat from the the ground?
In genesis 3:16 it says that women shall have severe pain in child birth, that still happens today.
What’s your thoughts on tithing?
You are making some very bold statements about working for money and that anyone who does it’s their idol.
I and others have put up scripture supporting against what you believe.
If you feel that God is calling you to be homeless without a job and preach, I support you.
In genesis 3:16 it says that women shall have severe pain in child birth, that still happens today.
What’s your thoughts on tithing?
You are making some very bold statements about working for money and that anyone who does it’s their idol.
I and others have put up scripture supporting against what you believe.
If you feel that God is calling you to be homeless without a job and preach, I support you.
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You are assuming such things, I wasn’t even talking about the Old Testament, let alone Genesis. You insert the word money when Adam and Eve depended on God for everything, they didn’t have to work for anything when the Garden of Eden was perfect. Jesus deos exactly that when he died for you, he says you don’t have to work for food, clothing, drink (John 6:27-29). All you have to do is obey his commandments and preach the Word and he will give food and everything else you need. (Matthew 25-34). You DO NOT NEED A JOB OR MONEY to do this. I have done it myself and plan on doing it more (eventually full time) and obeying Jesus words. I do not care about tithing, I am talking about Jesus and the missing Courner Stone that has been rejected by many (Luke 20:17-18, Mark 8:38). I haven’t seen any verses that go against what Jesus has said, this is God in the Flesh, no one else can trump him period. Do the works of God through his Son Jesus the Messiah (John 6:28-29). Believe what he said, stop serving your life away for money and embrace God with all of your strength, because you can’t serve both at the same time (Matthew 6:24, Roman’s 6:16).
I love ya brother, and I don’t want to argue, just read the gospels again with the claim of forsaking all in mind, trust me the Bible (at least the NT) makes a lot more sense and everything reflects of this commandment (Luke 12:33, Luke 14:33, Luke 4:11, Luke 5:11, John 14:15, John 10:21).
I love ya brother, and I don’t want to argue, just read the gospels again with the claim of forsaking all in mind, trust me the Bible (at least the NT) makes a lot more sense and everything reflects of this commandment (Luke 12:33, Luke 14:33, Luke 4:11, Luke 5:11, John 14:15, John 10:21).
All good, I’m not arguing. Just don’t believe God doesn’t want us or at least me not to work.
I try not to make money, sports, women or anything else more important than Jesus, and fail miserably but...
I believe the Bible is Gods word, Jesus died on the cross for all sins, and rose from the grave and sits on the right hand of God. And As long as we repent and turn from our sins and toward Jesus, we will be saved. I don’t claim to understand all that the Bible says, but I believe God is merciful and knows my and everyone’s heart.
This has been the verse I repeat hourly.
Proverbs 3:5-6
5] Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
[6] In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
I try not to make money, sports, women or anything else more important than Jesus, and fail miserably but...
I believe the Bible is Gods word, Jesus died on the cross for all sins, and rose from the grave and sits on the right hand of God. And As long as we repent and turn from our sins and toward Jesus, we will be saved. I don’t claim to understand all that the Bible says, but I believe God is merciful and knows my and everyone’s heart.
This has been the verse I repeat hourly.
Proverbs 3:5-6
5] Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
[6] In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Genesis 2:15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
This is sorta off topic (a way to avoid the teachings of Jesus) but if you read the entire chapter of Genesis the river watered the trees and things alike (Genesis 2:6-10) the word till is used, which is a way of gathering things like fruit and herbs, etc and I imagine it wasn’t difficult in the Garden, like it is today. But to show you Jesus says not to work for food that perishes (John 6:27)- Jesus changes all the Old Testament, and fulfills it, henceforth New Testament, a huge portion of the Old Testament deos not apply to us anymore including working for food that perishes. If we put God first (Matthew 6:33) he will give us these basic essentials. More so called Christians have ignored Jesus and wasted more time on working for money, food, clothes and every other worldly thing, instead of preaching the Gospel. We are not supposed to lay treasure here on earth (6:19-20).
This is sorta off topic (a way to avoid the teachings of Jesus) but if you read the entire chapter of Genesis the river watered the trees and things alike (Genesis 2:6-10) the word till is used, which is a way of gathering things like fruit and herbs, etc and I imagine it wasn’t difficult in the Garden, like it is today. But to show you Jesus says not to work for food that perishes (John 6:27)- Jesus changes all the Old Testament, and fulfills it, henceforth New Testament, a huge portion of the Old Testament deos not apply to us anymore including working for food that perishes. If we put God first (Matthew 6:33) he will give us these basic essentials. More so called Christians have ignored Jesus and wasted more time on working for money, food, clothes and every other worldly thing, instead of preaching the Gospel. We are not supposed to lay treasure here on earth (6:19-20).
