Not By Works

[VCO]

We have to believe that we have to go through Jesus and obey him.

All the scriptures that say to 'believe', they do NOT nullify the scriptures that say to obey.

HOW PERFECT DO YOU THINK WE HAVE TO BE ? ? ?

You love to misquote JAMES, but do you ever quote this verse ? ? ?

James 2:10 (CSBBible)
10 For whoever keeps the entire law, and yet stumbles at one point, is guilty of breaking it all.

YOU ARE AS BAD OF A SINNER AS THE WORST MASS MURDERER ON DEATH ROW.


1 Peter 2:13-17 (NKJV)
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king [President Donald Trump].

Here are SEVERAL ORDINANCES you probably VIOLATE on a regular basis, without even thinking they are SIN.

YOU ARE SINNING EVERY TIME YOU EXCEED THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT, EVEN IF IT IS ACCIDENTALLY.

PARKING VIOLATIONS ARE SIN.

LITTERING IS A SIN.


Littering Cigarette Butts is a SIN.


Failure to pick up Dog Poop is a SIN.

Jaywalking here is a SIN.

Texting here is a SIN.

Disrespect for the King or PRESIDENT is SIN.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Who is talking about atheists? Strange how people go that route when trying to defend faith alone.
That sounds like Luther and Calvin teachings.
What? Being saved is about a personal relationship with God.
I have no idea what you are saying.
You need to explain yourself better for me to understand you.

I was asking whether you were taking at Preterist line of theology.
Are you willing to explore such questions without sterotyping answers?
I find this helps us all see things better.

For those who live is fear, this is thought of evil deception rather than freedom.

 

[UnderGrace]

Oh I know....the head of the Catholic Chruch in AU...when one abused boy confronted him he said to the boy that was sodomized.....Did you like it.....man...if my son......and as a Marine...it is clear what I would do....!!!!!!!

Disgusting, absolutely disgusting!!

 

[YourTruthGod]

I was asking whether you were taking at Preterist line of theology.
Are you willing to explore such questions without sterotyping answers?
I find this helps us all see things better.

For those who live is fear, this is thought of evil deception rather than freedom.

I just ask sometimes that you explain yourself better, if you don't mind.

 

[Hevosmies]

dcon and UnderGrace yup thats rampant in the catholic church.

As UnderGrace mentioned its every where yes, but in PARTICULAR ive noticed its moreso in the catholic church than anywhere else. I dont know WHY, anyone got a clue?

I used to think its the celibate priesthood but that aint it, Paul was celibate, as was Jesus, and maybe Daniel.

What do you guys think it is? I can understand in the secular world how it works. I call it 'progressive reprobation' meaning: You get worse and worse the more you sin and harden your heart.

Perhaps its some weird OCCULT thing going on in the roman catholicism? I believe that COULD be an answer. I know its not normal, the levels are just so high among that ONE church.

The orthodox churches are VERY similar to catholics, and they dont got scandals like that constantly!

 

[dcontroversal]

Disgusting, absolutely disgusting!!

The judge is raking him over the coals, but referencing his "GOOD CHARACTER" WHAT THE..........this scum bag has no good character in my eyes....anyone that sexually abuses innocent children needs to pay the ultimate price in my view

 

[UnderGrace]

The judge is raking him over the coals, but referencing his "GOOD CHARACTER" WHAT THE..........this scum bag has no good character in my eyes....anyone that sexually abuses innocent children need to pay the ultimate price in my view

This is the next step in the agenda to normalize pedophilia

 

[dcontroversal]

dcon and UnderGrace yup thats rampant in the catholic church.

As UnderGrace mentioned its every where yes, but in PARTICULAR ive noticed its moreso in the catholic church than anywhere else. I dont know WHY, anyone got a clue?

I used to think its the celibate priesthood but that aint it, Paul was celibate, as was Jesus, and maybe Daniel.

What do you guys think it is? I can understand in the secular world how it works. I call it 'progressive reprobation' meaning: You get worse and worse the more you sin and harden your heart.

Perhaps its some weird OCCULT thing going on in the roman catholicism? I believe that COULD be an answer. I know its not normal, the levels are just so high among that ONE church.

The orthodox churches are VERY similar to catholics, and they dont got scandals like that constantly!

The Catholic church is not Christian.....and a list of all the things they promote that are false and against the bible proves this view....a little LEAVEN LEAVENS the WHOLE LUMP!!

 

[FollowHisSteps]

We have to obey Jesus and humble ourselves and repent of sins to have a heart he saves by living in.

Sounds partly how I would express it. Obeying Jesus is not straight forward.
What did Jesus mean by turning the other cheek?
What did He mean by being perfect?
What did He mean by fulfilling the law?
What did He mean by hating ones family relationships?

I have a view on all these, while others have another view.
Attitudes of the heart.

Now I am asking partly to explore the approaches and partly for us to
witness what Jesus meant and why. Being distracted by unbelievers can get boring
when they just know how to abuse.

 

[dcontroversal]

This is the next step in the agenda to normalize pedophilia

Already is in Muslim nations....being allowed to marry 7 year olds...sickos

 

[YourTruthGod]

HOW PERFECT DO YOU THINK WE HAVE TO BE ? ? ?

You love to misquote JAMES, but do you ever quote this verse ? ? ?

James 2:10 (CSBBible)
10 For whoever keeps the entire law, and yet stumbles at one point, is guilty of breaking it all.

YOU ARE AS BAD OF A SINNER AS THE WORST MASS MURDERER ON DEATH ROW.

James was speaking of the ROYAL LAW OF LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR.

Love is 'not harming your neighbor' that is how we love our neighbors; we do no harm to them. See Romans 13:10.

If you do not harm your neighbor by not murdering your neighbor, it is good and you have obeyed a commandment of do not murder---do not murder, love your neighbor.

If you do not harm your neighbor by committing adultery with your neighbor's wife, then you have obeyed another commandment, and you further show that you love your neighbor.

If you do not harm your neighbor by bearing false witness against them, you have done right and obeyed yet another command of the law and you still are loving your neighbor.

If you break one of the commandments in the law and STEAL from your neighbor, you have HARMED your neighbor, AND NOW YOU ARE GUILTY OF BREAKING THE WHOLE ROYAL LAW OF LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR.

 

[UnderGrace]

They are all part of the same clan.

The reason it is being exposed more and more is because they want to normalize it, slowly breaking down the horror of it, same play book they used with homosexuality.

There is a video of Joe Biden with young girls at swearing in ceremonies and he cannot keep his hands off them and kissing them, absolutely abhorrent

dcon and UnderGrace yup thats rampant in the catholic church.

As UnderGrace mentioned its every where yes, but in PARTICULAR ive noticed its moreso in the catholic church than anywhere else. I dont know WHY, anyone got a clue?

I used to think its the celibate priesthood but that aint it, Paul was celibate, as was Jesus, and maybe Daniel.

What do you guys think it is? I can understand in the secular world how it works. I call it 'progressive reprobation' meaning: You get worse and worse the more you sin and harden your heart.

Perhaps its some weird OCCULT thing going on in the roman catholicism? I believe that COULD be an answer. I know its not normal, the levels are just so high among that ONE church.

The orthodox churches are VERY similar to catholics, and they dont got scandals like that constantly!

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I just ask sometimes that you explain yourself better, if you don't mind.

I can put things in different words.
What helps is me knowing which theological school you are coming from.
You may notice people use the same biblical words but to mean different things.
It can lead to some simple miss-understanding and sometimes some intentional ones.

Are you a Preterist? You are sharing a bit like one, that is why I ask.
The hold that man is moral enough to be regarded as righteous. To a degree this invalidates
the cross and its meaning.

 

[dcontroversal]

They are all part of the same clan.

The reason it is being exposed more and more is because they want to normalize it, slowly breaking down the horror of it, same play book they used with homosexuality.

There is a video of Joe Biden with young girls at swearing in ceremonies and he cannot keep his hands off them and kissing them, absolutely abhorrent

I agree....sexual immorality and deviant actions like homosexuality and pedophilism are sure signs of the break down of society and being given over to reprobate minds and the final step before judgment <--Romans...

 

[YourTruthGod]

Sounds partly how I would express it. Obeying Jesus is not straight forward.
What did Jesus mean by turning the other cheek?
What did He mean by being perfect?
What did He mean by fulfilling the law?
What did He mean by hating ones family relationships?

I have a view on all these, while others have another view.
Attitudes of the heart.

I think it is straightforward.
I think we might agree that it is about putting Jesus before anyone and everything.

Now I am asking partly to explore the approaches and partly for us to
witness what Jesus meant and why. Being distracted by unbelievers can get boring
when they just know how to abuse.

You are right.

 

[UnderGrace]

weird OCCULT

This "occult" Luciferians are across the world.
They are rich and influential, the hidden elite.

Look up Jeffrey Epstein (pedofile) , A billionaire with his jet plane named the "Lolita Express" going to his remote island I think near Hawaii. It has an occultic looking temple on it.

The Clintons have been on that plane several times.

 

[TruthTalk]

Paul is talking about the PURIFICATION works of the law, such as CIRCUMCISION, and the observance of special days!
The Galatians were talked into getting circumcised and observing special days. Paul did NOT rebuke the Galatians for obeying Jesus too much! Paul rebuked the Galatians for letting some Jews talk them into doing the purification works of the old law.

The application of Paul's words remain the same; "By the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." We are "saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and that not of yourself it is a gift of God, "Not By Works" lest anyone shall boast,(Eph2:8-10). Jesus Saves plus your beautiful works is a false gospel and comes with a curse, you need to repent before its too late.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

James was speaking of the ROYAL LAW OF LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR.

Love is 'not harming your neighbor' that is how we love our neighbors; we do no harm to them. See Romans 13:10.

If you do not harm your neighbor by not murdering your neighbor, it is good and you have obeyed a commandment of do not murder---do not murder, love your neighbor.

If you do not harm your neighbor by committing adultery with your neighbor's wife, then you have obeyed another commandment, and you further show that you love your neighbor.

If you do not harm your neighbor by bearing false witness against them, you have done right and obeyed yet another command of the law and you still are loving your neighbor.

If you break one of the commandments in the law and STEAL from your neighbor, you have HARMED your neighbor, AND NOW YOU ARE GUILTY OF BREAKING THE WHOLE ROYAL LAW OF LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR.

This language the Royal Law of Love is used by the unitarian church United Church of God.
This sounds like the denomination you might belong to.

It explains your reluctance to declare where you are coming from.

 

[YourTruthGod]

I can put things in different words.
What helps is me knowing which theological school you are coming from.

I just go by the scriptures. I don't go by theological schools.

You may notice people use the same biblical words but to mean different things.
It can lead to some simple miss-understanding and sometimes some intentional ones.

Are you a Preterist? You are sharing a bit like one, that is why I ask.

In what way do you think I am like a preterist?

The hold that man is moral enough to be regarded as righteous. To a degree this invalidates
the cross and its meaning.

No way does it do that.
How would man be held responsible for sin then?
Do you think that God made Abel do better than Cain? Abel was righteous.
Do you think that God made Noah not be as bad a sinners as the others? Noah was considered righteous.
I can give you more examples, but you really only needed one.

 

[YourTruthGod]

The application of Paul's words remain the same; "By the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." We are "saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and that not of yourself it is a gift of God, "Not By Works" lest anyone shall boast,(Eph2:8-10). Jesus Saves plus your beautiful works is a false gospel and comes with a curse, you need to repent before its too late.

So you are just going to ignore or dismiss the scriptures I gave you from Galatians?
Paul is speaking of the purification works of the law.