Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

If this is so. He would never have found truth to begin with.

She just strengthened his true feelings. And empowered him.

You and I can not stop that from happening.

Maybe.....the truth can shine through any and all forms of darkness....

 

[dcontroversal]

Agreed.
It's frightening indeed when one is told they're lost because they're trying to follow Jesus!

Did you know that the concept of OSAS did not even exist until about 40 or 50 years ago?
Perseverance of the Saints is a totally different concept so I don't include it.

I say this because I'm coming to believe that some of this cavalier attitude is due to the fact that one believe he cannot lose salvation and so anything is permissible, while at the same time speaking with the mouth that they do not mean this...in reality it's EXACTLY what is happening!

This can be noted by their actions and their words and the posts speaking against anyone that believes in the N.T. teaching of Jesus and the others.

You absolutely have no honesty......it has nothing to do with following JESUS AND No one has said that Fran....what we OPPOSE is the FALSE GOSPEL OF A SELF MAINTAINED LOSABLE SALVATION that you peddle.....get some honesty....it is rather distasteful....!!!

 

[YourTruthGod]

Compare Ezekiel 18 (your passage; note your verse 31: "get [for] yourselves" - https://biblehub.com/text/ezekiel/18-31.htm ) with that of Ezekiel 37 ["I WILL"].

Then note the following (Commentary by Gaebelein, source: Bible Hub), on Ezekiel 18:

quoting

"Ezekiel 18:1
The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying,
Ezekiel 18:1-32. In Ezekiel 18:1-4, we find the false accusation against God and the divine answer, and this is followed in Ezekiel 18:5-9 by the conditions of life, “The soul that sinneth, it shall die” (Ezekiel 18:4). But the conditions to have life and to be just cannot be fulfilled by sinful man; nor is In these verses “eternal life” in view; these are not conditions to secure “eternal life,” but to escape physical death in the announced judgment. The conditions which bring death are given in Ezekiel 18:10-13. The son does not die for his father’s sins, as they thought in their wrong reasonings (Ezekiel 18:14-20). All their accusations that the Lord is unjust are completely answered in the final paragraph of this message (Ezekiel 18:21-32).
Ezekiel 19:1-14. This lamentation has two sections. The lamentations for the princes come first (Ezekiel 19:1-9), and that is followed by the lamentation for the land of Judah (Ezekiel 19:10-14).

"The princes are Jehoahaz and Jehoiachin. King Jehoahaz was carried away captive into Egypt 2Kings 23:33; his fate is lamented in Ezekiel 19:1-4. King Jehoiachin was taken to Babylon and he is lamented in Ezekiel 19:5-9. In the lamentation for the land of Judah the vine is once more mentioned. The vine is burned, the fruit devoured and there is no scepter in Judah."

--Gaebelein, Commentary on Ezekiel 18

end quoting; bold and underline mine

I am not sure what you are trying to say.

Do you think that you have disproved the scripture in Ezekiel about obeying by repenting of sins to get a new heart and spirit?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I'm thinking that some on this thread are merely posers (meaning, playing devil's advocate in order to not have to dig for answers themselves. [???] Just my two cents... )


EDIT: I wrote the above before seeing the post before this one (just to be clear to the readers).

 

[YourTruthGod]

Does another which is not another make sense......TWO DIFFERENT GREEK WORDS, TWO DIFFERENT MEANINGS translated the same........!!

Oh wow, you don't understand that scripture.
Paul is saying it is another gospel---which is not a real gospel.

The word 'another' doesn't mean two different things.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I am not sure what you are trying to say.

Do you think that you have disproved the scripture in Ezekiel about obeying by repenting of sins to get a new heart and spirit?

First off, I believe the context is "Israel"

 

[VCO]

We have to believe that we have to go through Jesus and obey him.

All the scriptures that say to 'believe', they do NOT nullify the scriptures that say to obey.

I told you HAVE TO OBEY is a TOTAL FALSEHOOD. IF WE ARE TRULY BORN AGAIN, WE WILL WANT TO STRIVE TO OBEY HIM.

Are we PERFECT at it? NO, but HE IS FAITHFUL to keep HIS promise in 1 John 1:9, as long as we CONFESS IT AS SIN.

AND GUESS WHAT, WE WILL WANT TO CONFESS SIN, ANY TIME WE SEE IT IN OUR LIVES.

YOUR FALSE GOSPEL OF BELIEVE IN CHRIST, PLUS YOU HAVE TO KEEP HIS COMMANDS OUT OF A SENSE OF DUTY, WILL NEVER SAVE YOU.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Oh wow, you don't understand that scripture.
Paul is saying it is another gospel---which is not a real gospel.

The word 'another' doesn't mean two different things.

He is pointing out that the word ('another') in Galatians 1:6 is distinct [different] from the word ('another') in Galatians 1:7, though not reflected in the English translation.

 

[YourTruthGod]

First off, I believe the context is "Israel"

I was discussing the Old Testament with someone else, and proved my beliefs. And, so what that is to Israel?

 

[dcontroversal]

No such thing as faith alone saving anyone in the first place.

False alert.....no one buy the above drivel peddled by another deceiver!!

Your FAITH HAS SAVED THEE, GO IN PEACE....Jesus said that.....he did not say ...Your faith, works and obedience saved thee....

 

[dcontroversal]

He is pointing out that the word ('another') in Galatians 1:6 is distinct [different] from the word ('another') in Galatians 1:7, though not reflected in the English translation.

Amen.....he is just another one that disregards the truth.....same old story....

 

[YourTruthGod]

I told you HAVE TO OBEY is a TOTAL FALSEHOOD. IF WE ARE TRULY BORN AGAIN, WE WILL WANT TO STRIVE TO OBEY HIM.

We have to obey to get saved in the first place; and, not everyone obeys after being saved, but they have to.

Are we PERFECT at it? NO, but HE IS FAITHFUL to keep HIS promise in 1 John 1:9, as long as we CONFESS IT AS SIN.

That is obeying to confess and repent of our sins even after being saved.

AND GUESS WHAT, WE WILL WANT TO CONFESS SIN, ANY TIME WE SEE IT IN OUR LIVES.

Not everyone always does what we have to do after being saved. We are warned for a reason.

YOUR FALSE GOSPEL OF BELIEVE IN CHRIST, PLUS YOU HAVE TO KEEP HIS COMMANDS OUT OF A SENSE OF DUTY, WILL NEVER SAVE YOU.

'We have to believe that we have to obey Jesus.

It is not a false gospel to do what Jesus says to do to get saved and to stay saved.

 

[TruthTalk]

For the ones she leads astray is the only reason I am.....she peddles and portrays herself as this righteous tenant of truth....and I flat despise frauds and those with no honesty or integrity

Amen decon, we are not saved by our obedience only "believe in Jesus Christ", -- by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified,"

Galatians 2:16
16) yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

 

[YourTruthGod]

He is pointing out that the word ('another') in Galatians 1:6 is distinct [different] from the word ('another') in Galatians 1:7, though not reflected in the English translation.

It is not different.

 

[dcontroversal]

Gotta love seeing the two workers for arguing

I know....hilariously sad.....such deception....Cainology still runs deep hey........self saving rigmarole

 

[YourTruthGod]

False alert.....no one buy the above drivel peddled by another deceiver!!

Your FAITH HAS SAVED THEE, GO IN PEACE....Jesus said that.....he did not say ...Your faith, works and obedience saved thee....

Use scripture and I will show you how you are mistaken.

 

[dcontroversal]

Of course he said he went, Abraham had true faith

But thats not what saved him

Gen 15: 6, And ABRAHAM believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness

NO WORKS!!!!

Your argument is with God and Moses, Not me.



Yep it is. And my conscience is clear. Because I am not bearing false witness. You do exactly what I said. Whether you believe it or not is beside the point.

You claim you are saved by your works, and you have to earn it. Thus you reject the cross and Grace

Amen........

 

[YourTruthGod]

Amen decon, we are not saved by our obedience only "believe in Jesus Christ", -- by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified,"

Galatians 2:16
16) yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Paul is talking about the PURIFICATION works of the law, such as CIRCUMCISION, and the observance of special days!
The Galatians were talked into getting circumcised and observing special days. Paul did NOT rebuke the Galatians for obeying Jesus too much! Paul rebuked the Galatians for letting some Jews talk them into doing the purification works of the old law.

 

[dcontroversal]

Use scripture and I will show you how you are mistaken.

I quoted scripture and make no mistake...you can neither show me anything and or prove me wrong pal.....take it up witj Jesus...calling him a liar does not bode well for you deceiver

 

[YourTruthGod]

I quoted scripture and make no mistake...you can neither show me anything and or prove me wrong pal.....take it up witj Jesus...calling him a liar does not bode well for you deceiver

Don't speak according to scripture then.