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And they are demonic because when they abducted my friend as a young boy, they did sexual experiments on his friend that was with him; also a young boy, a little older than he was, when the two of them were abducted together.
Apparently, your friend, and his travelling companion caught the connecting flight.
 
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My brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ, the Starfish Prime was the highest nuclear bomb detonated in Operation Fishbowl. It was claimed to be detonated at 250 miles up (unclassified report: AD-A995 428, OPERATION DOMINIC, FISH BOWL SERIES). Since it is claimed that the International Space Station orbits above the world at around 250 miles up, we can calculate that what is claimed to be the ISS doesn’t operate, along with the Starfish Prime bomb never detonated anywhere near 250 miles up; as the claimed ISS can be observed as it passes above us. You can triangulate the elevation angles that the ISS is seen at the same time, from two different cities that are basically on the same longitude line (in both cities, elevation angles that will be seen claimed due north, or claimed due south of them). Factoring in the distance in between those two cities, along with their heights above sea level over our flat world, you will get a calculation that is much less than 250 miles up. You can also do the same thing with the Hubble Space Telescope that is claimed to orbit around 350 miles up. After doing those calculations for both, you will see that what is claimed to be the ISS and the HST are not near as high as they are claimed to be.

But those are just general calculations, as the map of our world is not an azimuthal projection of the world with the claimed geographical North Pole as the center; it is not the current flag of the United Nations. The true map of the world comes from the United Nations flag design developed in April of 1945 by Donal McLaughlin. A few places have to be redrawn, moved, and added; but if you turn that map 135° clockwise, that is where the true map of the world comes from; with the north and south pointing up and down, and the east and west in their proper positions. I have made those adjustments and drawn the true map of the world. You can find it on page 250 of my book. This means that you cannot use the current latitudes and longitudes that are claimed to be the positions of cities in the world today; coming from a lying system of GPS that claims to cover a round world; which then maintains those positions over an azimuthal projection of the world with the claimed geographical North Pole as the center, if you want exact calculations.

The sun rises in the east, and goes down in the west.

The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose. Ecclesiastes 1:5

This means that the sun makes an extended circle of a course as it begins to rise in the east; speeding up as it goes, rising until it gets to the highest it will ever get over due south. Then from there it starts to contract that extended circle of a course, slowing down; and go down until it gets to the west. From the west is where it hasteth to his place, making a perfect half circle over the north; at the same speed and altitude, until it gets to the portal of the east and starts to rise again. I have drawn a map of the course of the sun on page 94 of my book. That means that latitudes and longitudes are not where they are claimed to be. The latitude will be different because of how high the sun will be projected in the sky by the firmament, whether because it is physically higher as it passes over the south, or because of where that place is in the world (as the firmament comes from over the claimed geographical North Pole and descends down to rest on the four edges of the world). This means that the distance between the two cities in doing those calculations above will not be accurate; which means the heights given (of the claimed ISS and HST) as passing above the world will not be accurate. The longitude will be different because of where the sun will appear to be at solar noon over a city, and how “true” (a navigational term used today, but there is nothing true about it) north is calculated from it – claiming to point to the geographical North Pole from a perpendicular line drawn over you in the sky, from horizon to horizon; through the course of the sun from the time it first appears and then disappears on the horizons, during solar noon. This also means that the calculations done above cannot be accurate.

Don’t misunderstand. Yes the firmament is strong.

Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass? Job 37:18

This does not mean that nothing can pass through the bottom side of the hard firmament. Nothing is allowed to go through the firmament unless it is permitted by God. The word of God says that even though thou set thy nest among the stars.

Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD. Obadiah 1:4

This means that it is possible to be among the stars, next to them. But why would you want to, as you know that God will just bring you down? We know that when the beast comes he will cast some of the stars, that are in the firmament, to the ground.

And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. Daniel 8:10

A star will fall from heaven, through the firmament, during the tribulation.

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. Revelation 9:1

So even though what is claimed to be the ISS and HST might be operating where the bottom side of the hard firmament is, or even inside of the firmament, thereby magnifying them to be seen from further away than they otherwise would, along with showing them at a higher elevation angle than they should be seen at, they can only do what is written in the word of God. The ISS and HST, both moving at a speed of around 17,000 mph are alien spacecraft that are doing nothing but deceiving since they began; the ISS since November 20, 1998, and the HST since April 24, 1990; doing those constant extended circles above us. All of the accounts of aliens through the years, seeing them in craft that do unbelievably high speeds and maneuvers, are exactly what you see when you look up to what is called the ISS and the HST as they pass above you. And they are demonic because when they abducted my friend as a young boy, they did sexual experiments on his friend that was with him; also a young boy, a little older than he was, when the two of them were abducted together.
None of what you said made any sense. You do know that right... LOL What exactly are you on...
 
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I am not here to debate whether the Earth is flat or round. There is a documentary on Netflix right now about flat earth, focusing primarily on the followers of this movement. I have never seen such s flock of sheep in need of a shepherd. The harvest is ripe indeed. These people are desperate to belong to something greater than themselves and are prepared to part from loved ones, and logic to sustain their delusions.

So what are they going to jump off the edge to prove a point... that would be cool...
 
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Obviously! I’m still not abundantly convinced that the flat earth movement isn’t part of some social experiment.
What if they really believe that the earth is flat?
 

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What is the cause of the sun speeding up and then slowing down? Seems, based on your map, that if the sun did actually go down then the entire earth would then be dark, and when it rose, the entire world would be in light. This is not how it is. Did someone actually physically mapped the flat earth out or is this pure conjecture based on a faulty premise? What exactly is on the edges? What is to prevent stuff or people from falling off the edge and start floating in space?
 
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tourist,

God created the sun, moon, and the stars, and he commands them to run their courses. That is what you see when you look up to the sky; them running their courses. No, the entire world would not be dark when the sun goes down. When the sun goes down in the west, it stays around 93 miles up over the world; as it passes over the north. Then in the east it starts to rise, and speed up as it goes over the south. Once over the south, it starts to slow down; all the way until it gets back to the west. That is why South America has to be moved on the true map of the world to the claimed west; from where it is on a lying azimuthal map of the world with the claimed North Pole in the center; because the sun is still high in the sky over the south when it is first seen there. Australia and New Zealand also had to be moved to the claimed east a little from where they appear on that lying map, because the sun starts to rise over the south while it is still visible to them.

Yes someone actually physically mapped a version of my map out. His name is Donal McLaughlin; and he did it in 1945, to propose that the United Nations adopt his map as a flag. Look, those running the world know that this is the truth. As soon as that map was released to the public, that is why they got rid of it just over a year later; on December 7, 1946, and made the UN flag what it is until this day – a version of the azimuthal map of the world with the claimed North Pole as the center.

From that map that he drew, all I did was make the adjustments that needed to be made. First, I put the Tropic of Cancer, the claimed equator, and the Tropic of Capricorn over it; and then raised Australia toward the claimed geographical North Pole, because it was flat. Then I brought Asia in a little toward the claimed geographical North Pole. I did a few more redrawing, adding, and moving of places that had to be moved to align up to where they are supposed to be under the Tropic of Cancer, the claimed equator, and the Tropic of Capricorn; and then you are looking at the true map of the world (after you turn it 135° clockwise). What is most important about the map that he drew, was that for the most part the longitudes (used in the lying system of latitude and longitude that we have today) are correct.

What is at the edges is where the firmament and the heavens come down to rest; that we cannot pass. The bible says that nothing escapes the heat of the sun.

His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. Psalms 19:6

What is outside of the world is the outer darkness that Jesus talked about. The lake of fire is out there. You would not want to go there, nor can you go. And you are not going to fall off of the edge; because again, at the edge of the world, which many people have been to for the last hundred years; that is where the heavens come down to rest, that we cannot pass.
 

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Actually, the sun being 93 million miles away is closer to the truth. At a distance of 93 miles the earth would be burnt to a crisp in less than a second. Where is the bible does it say that it is the edge of the earth that the heavens come down to rest and that we cannot pass?
 

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If this is true, it would have repercussions that would be felt around... er... across the world.
 
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tourist,

The following scriptures mean the ends of the earth.

Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Deuteronomy 13:7

The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand; Deuteronomy 28:49

And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone. Deuteronomy 28:64

His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh. Deuteronomy 33:17

The adversaries of the LORD shall be broken to pieces; out of heaven shall he thunder upon them: the LORD shall judge the ends of the earth; and he shall give strength unto his king, and exalt the horn of his anointed. 1 Samuel 2:10

For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven; Job 28:24

Hear attentively the noise of his voice, and the sound that goeth out of his mouth. He directeth it under the whole heaven, and his lightning unto the ends of the earth. Job 37:2,3

Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? Job 38:12,13

Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, Psalms 19:4

His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. Psalms 19:6

All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. Psalms 22:27

He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire. Psalms 46:9

According to thy name, O God, so is thy praise unto the ends of the earth: thy right hand is full of righteousness. Psalms 48:10

Consume them in wrath, consume them, that they may not be: and let them know that God ruleth in Jacob unto the ends of the earth. Selah. Psalms 59:13

From the end of the earth will I cry unto thee, when my heart is overwhelmed: lead me to the rock that is higher than I. Psalms 61:2

By terrible things in righteousness wilt thou answer us, O God of our salvation; who art the confidence of all the ends of the earth, and of them that are afar off upon the sea: Psalms 65:5

God shall bless us; and all the ends of the earth shall fear him. Psalms 67:7

He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth. Psalms 72:8

He hath remembered his mercy and his truth toward the house of Israel: all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God. Psalms 98:3

He causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings for the rain; he bringeth the wind out of his treasuries. Psalms 135:7

Wisdom is before him that hath understanding; but the eyes of a fool are in the ends of the earth. Proverbs 17:24

Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? Proverbs 30:4

And he will lift up an ensign to the nations from far, and will hiss unto them from the end of the earth: and, behold, they shall come with speed swiftly: Isaiah 5:26

They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land. Isaiah 13:5

Thou hast increased the nation, O LORD, thou hast increased the nation: thou art glorified: thou hadst removed it far unto all the ends of the earth. Isaiah 26:15

Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding. Isaiah 40:28

The isles saw it, and feared; the ends of the earth were afraid, drew near, and came. Isaiah 41:5

Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away. Isaiah 41:9

Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof. Isaiah 42:10

I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth; Isaiah 43:6

Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. Isaiah 45:22

Go ye forth of Babylon, flee ye from the Chaldeans, with a voice of singing declare ye, tell this, utter it even to the end of the earth; say ye, The LORD hath redeemed his servant Jacob. Isaiah 48:20

And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. Isaiah 49:6

The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God. Isaiah 52:10

Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. Isaiah 62:11

When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures. Jeremiah 10:13

The spoilers are come upon all high places through the wilderness: for the sword of the LORD shall devour from the one end of the land even to the other end of the land: no flesh shall have peace. Jeremiah 12:12

O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. Jeremiah 16:19

A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the LORD. Jeremiah 25:31

And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground. Jeremiah 25:33

When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens; and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth: he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures. Jeremiah 51:16

Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land. Ezekiel 7:2

Behold, it is cast into the fire for fuel; the fire devoureth both the ends of it, and the midst of it is burned. Is it meet for any work? Ezekiel 15:4

The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth: Daniel 4:11

It is thou, O king, that art grown and become strong: for thy greatness is grown, and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion to the end of the earth. Daniel 4:22

And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth. Micah 5:4

And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth. Zechariah 9:10

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:31

For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. Acts 13:47

But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. Romans 10:18

Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 1 Corinthians 10:11
 
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The following scriptures also mean the ends of the earth:

The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren. Genesis 49:26

For ask now of the days that are past, which were before thee, since the day that God created man upon the earth, and ask from the one side of heaven unto the other, whether there hath been any such thing as this great thing is, or hath been heard like it? Deuteronomy 4:32

If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee: Deuteronomy 30:4

But if ye turn unto me, and keep my commandments, and do them; though there were of you cast out unto the uttermost part of the heaven, yet will I gather them from thence, and will bring them unto the place that I have chosen to set my name there. Nehemiah 1:9

He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. Job 26:7

By the breath of God frost is given: and the breadth of the waters is straitened. Job 37:10

Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death? Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all. Job 38:17,18

Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Psalms 2:8

They also that dwell in the uttermost parts are afraid at thy tokens: thou makest the outgoings of the morning and evening to rejoice. Psalms 65:8

Thou hast set all the borders of the earth: thou hast made summer and winter. Psalms 74:17

To him that stretched out the earth above the waters: for his mercy endureth for ever. Psalms 136:6

If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Psalms 139:9

And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel. Isaiah 8:8

From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs, even glory to the righteous. But I said, My leanness, my leanness, woe unto me! the treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously; yea, the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously. Isaiah 24:16

Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: Isaiah 42:5

I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. Isaiah 45:12

Come against her from the utmost border, open her storehouses: cast her up as heaps, and destroy her utterly: let nothing of her be left. Jeremiah 50:26

Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD. Zechariah 2:6

Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; Matthew 4:8

The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here. Matthew 12:42

The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; Matthew 13:38

For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? Matthew 16:26

And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. Mark 13:27

And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. Luke 4:5

The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here. Luke 11:31

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Acts 1:8

May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; Ephesians 3:18
 
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The following scriptures mean where the heavens come down to rest at the ends of the earth:

For ask now of the days that are past, which were before thee, since the day that God created man upon the earth, and ask from the one side of heaven unto the other, whether there hath been any such thing as this great thing is, or hath been heard like it? Deuteronomy 4:32

If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee: Deuteronomy 30:4

But if ye turn unto me, and keep my commandments, and do them; though there were of you cast out unto the uttermost part of the heaven, yet will I gather them from thence, and will bring them unto the place that I have chosen to set my name there. Nehemiah 1:9

For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven; Job 28:24

Hear attentively the noise of his voice, and the sound that goeth out of his mouth. He directeth it under the whole heaven, and his lightning unto the ends of the earth. Job 37:2,3

They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land. Isaiah 13:5

Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance? Isaiah 40:12

And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come. Jeremiah 49:36

He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding. Jeremiah 51:15

And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him. Daniel 7:27

Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven. Daniel 8:8

And he hath confirmed his words, which he spake against us, and against our judges that judged us, by bringing upon us a great evil: for under the whole heaven hath not been done as hath been done upon Jerusalem. Daniel 9:12

And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those. Daniel 11:4

Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD. Zechariah 2:6

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:31

And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. Mark 13:27
 

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Operation fishbowl
If the earth is really a fishbowl why in the world would the US military try to blow it up?

This was 15 years after Byrds last antarctic expidition. The high altitude nuclear tests were carried out at Johnston Atoll, not too far from Hawaii. If they were secretly trying to blow up the only thing holding earth's atmosphere in, so as to destroy all life on the planet, why do it near the equator where the target is as close to unreachable as possible? Instead of at Antártica where they had established military bases and supposedly you can walk up to the fishbowl and put your hand on it?

Im all for doing due diligence in research, but you need to use your brain, too.