Name It and Claim It

[wolfwint]

Scriptures are to be believed by faith. If you want to have proof, then obviously you don't want to believe it. Thus, it won't be true for you.

But that is not unusual, many people are not Christians because they don't want to believe by faith that Jesus came on this earth 2000 years ago, died and rose again on the 3rd day.

Well, the proof is that people got healed f.e. as they did when we read in the gospels.
You claime things, which are not happend today.
How many christians visited so called healing services. And how many of them went home still sick?
In the bible i find that all who came to Jesus got healed ( out of nazareth).
This i mean with proof.
You claime that all are already healed. But in reality they remain still sick. Even those who taught this false doctrine. And at least they should have had faith for that what they preached.

 

[Guojing]

You claime that all are already healed. But in reality they remain still sick. Even those who taught this false doctrine. And at least they should have had faith for that what they preached.

How did you conclude they are not healed? With your eyes?

 

[wolfwint]

How did you conclude they are not healed? With your eyes?

In all reports from the gospels and acts it was visible for all. And special to those which are healed.
And not an theoretical healing, only then when you have the sufficent level of faith to believe it.

 

[Guojing]

In all reports from the gospels and acts it was visible for all. And special to those which are healed.
And not an theoretical healing, only then when you have the sufficent level of faith to believe it.

But your salvation is not theoretical?

 

[wolfwint]

But your salvation is not theoretical?

Do you realy cant see the difference between the biblical report about healings and the name it and claime it healing prommisses?

Would my salvation only theoretical i would not be saved.
What John wrote in his first letter capter 3 Vers 2?
Dear friends, now we are children of God and what we will be has not yet been known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

 

[Garydavid]

One thing that really bothers me is when a Christian comes up to me and says, "you haven't been healed because you lack faith".
Boy, does that get me.
After they say it they put a pert, smug smile on their face because they feel no pain and you do.
You see, we have to claim our health and wealth and everything else because God wants us to have it all in this lifetime.

There are so many holes in this belief that I no longer know where to begin.
All I can say is that God is not a field of science for us to master.
Every time we think we know it all, we find that we really don't know it all.

I was once on the other side of this.
I saw too many preachers get rich and too many people stay sick.

Today we have more name it and claim it preachers (churches by many different names) than we ever had before.
Is there really a "name it and claim it" movement anywhere that is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

One thing that really bothers me is when a Christian comes up to me and says, "you haven't been healed because you lack faith".
Boy, does that get me.
After they say it they put a pert, smug smile on their face because they feel no pain and you do.
You see, we have to claim our health and wealth and everything else because God wants us to have it all in this lifetime.

There are so many holes in this belief that I no longer know where to begin.
All I can say is that God is not a field of science for us to master.
Every time we think we know it all, we find that we really don't know it all.

I was once on the other side of this.
I saw too many preachers get rich and too many people stay sick.

Today we have more name it and claim it preachers (churches by many different names) than we ever had before.
Is there really a "name it and claim it" movement anywhere that is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

Well to tell the truth i can only think of one and that would be Jesus.

 

[Guojing]

Do you realy cant see the difference between the biblical report about healings and the name it and claime it healing prommisses?

Would my salvation only theoretical i would not be saved.
What John wrote in his first letter capter 3 Vers 2?
Dear friends, now we are children of God and what we will be has not yet been known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

For both salvation and healing, I put my faith in the word of God. As one of the verses quoted in this thread

Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

 

[wolfwint]

For both salvation and healing, I put my faith in the word of God. As one of the verses quoted in this thread

Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

This vers has realy nothing to do with physical healing.

Pardon, Everytime when it comes to physical healing in the Gospel und Acts, this was visible for the sick person, he got healed! And hat not to wait Till they finally died in their Sickness.

It was not an Empty promise. Like this Name it und claimes it Doctrine. Does not many of those who taught this died in sickness?
In my eyes is this Doctrine a big lie.

 

[Guojing]

This vers has realy nothing to do with physical healing.

Pardon, Everytime when it comes to physical healing in the Gospel und Acts, this was visible for the sick person, he got healed! And hat not to wait Till they finally died in their Sickness.

It was not an Empty promise. Like this Name it und claimes it Doctrine. Does not many of those who taught this died in sickness?
In my eyes is this Doctrine a big lie.

When did Abraham got his promised Son?

 

[wolfwint]

When did Abraham got his promised Son?

This has nothing to do with or subject😊

 

[Guojing]

This has nothing to do with or subject😊

The promises of God may involve waiting, Does not mean you are not healed, you see the point?

 

[wolfwint]

The promises of God may involve waiting, Does not mean you are not healed, you see the point?

There is no single example for in the scripture. The people got healed without waiting for and staying in their sickness.

 

[Guojing]

There is no single example for in the scripture. The people got healed without waiting for and staying in their sickness.

In Abraham days, being barren is also considered a curse. That is your example.

 

[wolfwint]

In Abraham days, being barren is also considered a curse. That is your example.

What has the OT contract which God made with Israel to do with us today?
Concerning healing. ?

The curse it became under the moseatic law. Obiedience to the law brings blessings.
Disobidience to the law brings curse.

What is seen as a curse and not in the days of Abraham is an assumption from the people, but we cant find a proof that it was from God. F.e. Sarai.
Then we havecto consider in case of Sarai it was a special purpose😊

Today we are not under the O T condition.
And the healings which are reportet in the gospels and in acts have nothing to do with Abraham, but with our Lord Jesus.

Still you cant give me an scripture for your claim which is not out of the context ore create by mans wisdom and idea.

 

[Absolutely]

Thats a fact. Your spreading false teachings. Like many others do.
To Read Verses and Take them out of the context for to create a Theologie is man Made.
And again in the whole NT this is not taught to the believers und you could bring me no Single proof that i am wrong.

The context is obvious.
Stop lying

 

[Absolutely]

Well, the proof is that people got healed f.e. as they did when we read in the gospels.
You claime things, which are not happend today.
How many christians visited so called healing services. And how many of them went home still sick?
In the bible i find that all who came to Jesus got healed ( out of nazareth).
This i mean with proof.
You claime that all are already healed. But in reality they remain still sick. Even those who taught this false doctrine. And at least they should have had faith for that what they preached.

Then,under YOUR logic,salvation is false.
Look at all the unsaved.

psssst,there are reasons they are not saved EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE PRAYED FOR FOR YEARS.

But when it comes to healing you invoke a very tiny god. Yes,of course you see nothing.
Just like when Jesus visited his home town. They,like you saw nothing.

 

[Absolutely]

In all reports from the gospels and acts it was visible for all. And special to those which are healed.
And not an theoretical healing, only then when you have the sufficent level of faith to believe it.

amen to that

 

[Absolutely]

There is no single example for in the scripture. The people got healed without waiting for and staying in their sickness.

nope,wrong again;

6 When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay,
7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.
8 The neighbours therefore, and they which before had seen him that he was blind, said, Is not this he that sat and begged?
11 He answered and said, A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to the pool of Siloam, and wash: and I went and washed, and I received sight.


You bring up your own point.
Someone says to you,go to the swimming hole and wash your eyes after I put some mud in them.

You will surely scream "false doctrine!!!!"

 

[Absolutely]

This vers has realy nothing to do with physical healing.

Pardon, Everytime when it comes to physical healing in the Gospel und Acts, this was visible for the sick person, he got healed! And hat not to wait Till they finally died in their Sickness.

It was not an Empty promise. Like this Name it und claimes it Doctrine. Does not many of those who taught this died in sickness?
In my eyes is this Doctrine a big lie.

....and salvation must be a lie also since many are prayed for and still die unconverted.

 

[Absolutely]

Well, the proof is that people got healed f.e. as they did when we read in the gospels.
You claime things, which are not happend today.
How many christians visited so called healing services. And how many of them went home still sick?
In the bible i find that all who came to Jesus got healed ( out of nazareth).
This i mean with proof.
You claime that all are already healed. But in reality they remain still sick. Even those who taught this false doctrine. And at least they should have had faith for that what they preached.

How many visit salvation services and leave unsaved?
Is that proof salvation no longer remains legitimate?


"In the bible i find that all who came to Jesus got healed ( out of nazareth)."

At the pool of saloam only one was healed.
I guess ole Jesus is fake huh?