Does Ilhan Omar's "anti-Semitism" pose a grave danger to Democrats?

[UnderGrace]

Right - big problem for them if non Jews are allowed to run and vote in a one state democracy.

Mr. Locutus all I can say is these are interesting times, a mess created for a purpose will soon serve its purpose. I do not mean the fullfilling of scripture btw

 

[Locutus]

Mr. Locutus all I can say is these are interesting times, a mess created for a purpose will soon serve its purpose. I do not mean the fullfilling of scripture btw

I not sure there was a purpose - the ME was somewhat arbitrarily divided up by the war weary allies - we are reaping the results of that.

 

[UnderGrace]

I not sure there was a purpose - the ME was somewhat arbitrarily divided up by the war weary allies - we are reaping the results of that.

Oh most definitely a purpose, but not for good. What is ME?

 

[Locutus]

Middle East.

"Oh most definitely a purpose" - Ok, explain yer thoughts here.

 

[UnderGrace]

Middle East.

"Oh most definitely a purpose" - Ok, explain yer thoughts here.

Really, you do know I will be tarred, feathered, swarmed and left for dead.

Now Mr. Locutus aint no body got time for that, I have a life to lead,

Okay maybe just at bit ...in a bit..... have to think

 

[Locutus]

2017 SURVEY: ON ISRAEL-PALESTINE, CANADIAN GOV’T IS OUT OF TOUCH

Release 2, March 2, 2017: Most Canadians Say Sanctions and Boycott are Reasonable Measures to Defend Palestinian Rights

Excerpts:

The key findings from Release 2 include:

• Canadians believe overwhelmingly that sanctions are a reasonable way for Canada to censure countries violating international law and human rights,
• Given the UN Security Council's recent condemnation of illegal Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory, a strong majority of Canadians believe that government sanctions on Israel would be reasonable
• In the context of Israel's ongoing violations of international law, a very strong majority of Canadians believe that the Palestinians' call for a boycott of Israel is reasonable, and
• Far more Canadians oppose than support Parliament's February, 2016 decision to condemn individuals and groups who promote the Palestinian call for a boycott of Israel.

Full article:

https://www.cjpme.org/survey

 

[Locutus]

BY MICHAEL WILNER NOVEMBER 6, 2018 17:21

Excerpt:

A new poll released last month by the Jewish Electorate Institute found that 74% of American Jews plan on voting for Democrats next month – the same number that plan on voting against Trump’s reelection, regardless of which candidate emerges to challenge him in 2020, suggesting that Jewish voters consider the 2018 midterms an initial referendum on his presidency.

Full story:

https://www.jpost.com/American-Poli...s-could-swing-the-US-midterm-elections-569766

 

[kaylagrl]

It is an apartheid state - this is according to wiki:

Omar has voiced support for a two-state solution to resolve the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.[60] She criticized Israel's settlement building in the occupied Palestinian territories in the West Bank.[66]

It is not an apartheid state and you're seriously not going to use Wiki as an authority on anything. Palestine is not a country and therefore cannot be occupied.

 

[kaylagrl]

Maybe you read too many WP articles - I accessed it ok with my web browser that has cookies blocked - this is the article:

Her initial remark that Republican attacks on her for criticizing Israel were “all about the Benjamins baby” did not strike me as anti-Semitic (unlike her 2012 tweet on how Israel “hypnotized” the world, which did). It read that way to others, though, which Omar stressed on Monday wasn’t her intention; she thanked “Jewish allies and colleagues who are educating me on the painful history of anti-Semitic tropes,” such as the notion of powerful Jews using money to get their way that some people thought her tweet played on. Omar did not actually call out Jews, only AIPAC — which does not define itself as a Jewish lobby — but her critics immediately translated it into “Jewish money.” AIPAC even went so far as to send an email Tuesday using Omar to raise money: The message said Omar suggested that the “U.S. government supports Israel only because of Jewish money,” and then proceeded to ask for money.

But the wider frenzy betrayed the cynical ways that charges of anti-Semitism and claims to be standing up for Israel are so often wielded by U.S. politicians — especially, but not exclusively, by Republicans. Israel, and by extension Israelis and American Jews, gets used as a wedge by pretty much anyone who chooses to pick up the cause in service of their own political agendas. The ironic result, for a fight about anti-Semitism, is that Jews are treated simply as a monolithic object, as a group that’s somehow different from other American ethnic or religious minorities.


Some of the loudest voices condemning Omar on Monday have espoused anti-Semitic imagery and stereotypes in the past themselves. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) called for the chamber to penalize Omar and Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) for supporting the movement to boycott Israel over its treatment of Palestinians. But last October, he tweeted a nefarious-looking image of Jewish liberal billionaire George Soros, saying “we cannot allow” Soros and two other rich Jewish Democrats, Tom Steyer and Michael Bloomberg, to “BUY this election!” He deleted the tweet, but never apologized. President Trump, who said Tuesday that Omar should resign from Congress, ran his own ad in 2016 featuring a menacing Soros, along with Goldman Sachs chief executive Lloyd Blankfein and then-Federal Reserve chair Janet L. Yellen, also both Jewish. He told a gathering of Jewish Republicans in 2015 that “I don’t want your money, so therefore, you’re probably not going to support me,” and “you want to control your own politician.” As president, he told a room full of American Jews at the White House in December that Israel is “your country.” He has yet to apologize for any of that.

[The false comfort of Trump's condemnation of anti-Semitism]

To Trump and his allies, though, challenging Israel’s right-wing government is the real anti-Semitism. A slew of organizations, not all of them even run by Jews, push the idea that supporting the boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) movement is anti-Semitic — including AIPAC. Other parts of the pro-Israel lobby push the issue more aggressively, such as Stand With Us, which endorses the argument that BDS is linked to terrorism; Canary Mission, an anonymous blacklist site dedicated to smearing; the American Jewish Committee, which has criticized Tlaib for being Palestinian; and Christians United for Israel, which is a Zionist group founded on an inherently anti-Semitic theology.


That is the underbelly of legislation that Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) recently championed that would help states ban contracts with people or organizations who advocate boycotting Israel. Rubio claimed opponents of the bill were “anti-Israel” and that boycotts are “discriminatory” against it. Republicans weren’t the only supporters of the measure, either; Democrats voted for it in large numbers, too. And their leaders — such as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.), who pushed Omar to apologize, or Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.) — have adopted the Israeli talking point that BDS is anti-Semitic.

This is exactly the problem.

Politicians claim to be speaking on behalf of Israelis because they get support from the Israeli right, led by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and its proxies in the United States. Netanyahu helped turn Israel into a wedge issue during the Obama administration, when he all but endorsed Mitt Romney for president and addressed Congress in direct opposition to Obama’s Iran deal. AIPAC, whose ostensible mission is to “strengthen, protect and promote the U.S.-Israel relationship in ways that enhance the security” of both nations, by definition makes Israel exceptional. Its lobbying has ensured that Israel receives more foreign aid than any other country and that it remains the strongest military power in the Middle East. But it does so by bolstering the lawmakers that toe that line and ruining the careers of those that don’t.

And by now, many in Washington have come to embrace a consensus that being a good American means supporting Israel — regardless of its human rights violations or democratic record.

Pretending that Israel is the major concern for all Jews — and that anyone who criticizes its policies is engaging in anti-Semitism — is itself a form of scapegoating, a classic anti-Semitic trope. By toeing the nationalist policies set by the Israeli right, American politicians indicate that your position on Israel defines who you are and, especially, what you think of Jews.

[How to tell when criticism of Israel is — and isn't — actually anti-Semitism]

That logic is now pitting support for Israel directly against free speech and the right to boycott in the United States. That is a very dangerous position for Israelis, and for American Jews.

I am an Israeli Jew. Yet I oppose all anti-BDS legislation, and I support nonviolent boycotts, pressure to divest and sanctions to push Israel to cease its regime of state violence and inequality against the Palestinian people. That does not make me anti-Israel, nor an anti-Semite. In fact, I believe that equality and human rights for Palestinians would safeguard the interests of actual real Israelis on the ground much better than current U.S. policy toward Israel’s occupation does. American lawmakers who try to punish other Americans for supporting a Palestinian-led resistance to Israeli oppression manage to scapegoat both Jews and Palestinians, who should not be told how to resist their own oppression. And the frequency with which Israel is coming up in domestic American politics in recent years — in large part thanks to the no-daylight alliance between the Trump and Netanyahu administrations — has made this border on fetishization of Israel.

Declaring that criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic wrongly — and falsely — assumes all Jews are the same. The Israeli government encourages this: It implicitly claims to speak for all Jews, and Netanyahu claims to be the authority on what is anti-Semitic. His cozying up to Hungary and Poland despite their Holocaust revisionism is just one example. Reality is different: A poll by the American Jewish Committee last year found that less than half of American Jews supported Trump’s decision to move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem; other polls routinely find that American Jews rank Israel as less important to them than many other political issues. But the more Israel becomes a pawn in U.S. politics, the more elected officials will treat Jews as an object, rather than as individuals.

In the 1988 book “The Lobby,” Edward Tivnan wrote, “How successful and powerful can a lobby be before the backlash strikes? More to the point: How powerful can a Jewish lobby be before the anti-Semites come out of the woodwork?” There are anti-Semites out there. And monopolizing Israel’s image and using it as a cudgel, only seems to be encouraging them further.

Correction: An earlier version of this story incorrectly referred to Edward Tivnan's book. It was published in 1988, not 1987, and its title is "The Lobby," not "The Israel Lobby."

She is anti-Semitic and her tweets and comments show it. The Dems have rushed to stop the bleeding before they lose liberal Jews. If there was nothing to what she's saying why the rush to condemn and take a vote on what she's saying,without naming names. They dang well know where their bread is buttered.

 

[kaylagrl]

2017 SURVEY: ON ISRAEL-PALESTINE, CANADIAN GOV’T IS OUT OF TOUCH

Release 2, March 2, 2017: Most Canadians Say Sanctions and Boycott are Reasonable Measures to Defend Palestinian Rights

Excerpts:

The key findings from Release 2 include:

• Canadians believe overwhelmingly that sanctions are a reasonable way for Canada to censure countries violating international law and human rights,
• Given the UN Security Council's recent condemnation of illegal Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory, a strong majority of Canadians believe that government sanctions on Israel would be reasonable
• In the context of Israel's ongoing violations of international law, a very strong majority of Canadians believe that the Palestinians' call for a boycott of Israel is reasonable, and
• Far more Canadians oppose than support Parliament's February, 2016 decision to condemn individuals and groups who promote the Palestinian call for a boycott of Israel.

Full article:

https://www.cjpme.org/survey

Why boycott Israel for defending themselves? Canada votes out a good PM that backs Israel and puts in Trudeau,a liberal idiot that cares more for Muslim terrorists than his own people. Those that bless Israel will be blessed.

 

[UnderGrace]

What people seem to not understand is that these two women are only expressing publicly what most Democrats believe but will not say because it jeopardizes their re-election.

These woman are ensuring the election of Trump in 20/20, all going according to plan.

 

[UnderGrace]

Middle East.

"Oh most definitely a purpose" - Ok, explain yer thoughts here.

I actually think you already know

WW II was definitely a necessary catalyst, however push for a Jewish nation began with Herzl, a secular Jewish writer in 1890.

Much of history can viewed through the lens of problem - reaction - solution.

 

[Locutus]

British pay back for acetone to Chaim Weizmann:

"As head of the British Admiralty Laboratories from 1917 to 1919, Dr. Weizmann developed a process for the manufacture of synthetic acetone at a time when the British needed it desperately. He isolated certain organisms found in cereals and horse chestnuts and within a month had created synthetic acetone for British explosives.

Dr. Weizmann refused any monetary reward or a title, and said, "There is only one thing I want--a national home for my people.""

 

[UnderGrace]

British pay back for acetone to Chaim Weizmann:

"As head of the British Admiralty Laboratories from 1917 to 1919, Dr. Weizmann developed a process for the manufacture of synthetic acetone at a time when the British needed it desperately. He isolated certain organisms found in cereals and horse chestnuts and within a month had created synthetic acetone for British explosives.

Dr. Weizmann refused any monetary reward or a title, and said, "There is only one thing I want--a national home for my people.""

Very interesting,

Also very interesting that Zionism was actually reviled by European Jewry and recognized as a plot to relocate Jews to Palestine under the guise of protection.

Transplanting millions of Yiddish-speaking, white-skinned, Ashkenazi Jews from Europe to a small piece of highly coveted land in a

Middle Eastern desert surrounded by Muslim nations was supposed to keep them safe and sound, now I wonder why Middle Eastern peace is so elusive!

And then we have those like Hagee adding fuel to the fire

 

[Locutus]

It is not an apartheid state and you're seriously not going to use Wiki as an authority on anything. Palestine is not a country and therefore cannot be occupied.

Yes it's apartheid Mrs. Offenwronger.

 

[UnderGrace]

Yes it's apartheid Mrs. Offenwronger. View attachment 195695

Palestine is a territory and they are definitely occupied.

The real irony here is that most likely the present day Israelis are not even from the Biblical bloodline of Abraham but most likely converts from from the East European Khazars, and are not Semite.

As well the Palestinians could be more Semite than Israelis

 

[Locutus]

Encyclopedia Judaica Jerusalem (1971, vol. 3, p. 50; 1986):

“It is a common assumption, and one that sometimes seems ineradicable even in the face of evidence to the contrary, that the Jews of today constitute a race, a homogeneous entity easily recognizable. From the preceding discussion of the origin and early history of the Jews, it shouldbe clear that in the course of their formation as a people and a nation they had already assimilated a variety of racial strains from people moving into the general area they occupied. This had taken place by interbreeding and then by conversion to Judaism of a considerable number of communities.
. . .
“Thus, the diversity of the racial and genetic attributes of various Jewish colonies of today renders any unified racial classification of them a contradiction in terms. Despite this, many people readily accept the notion that they are a distinct race. This is probably reinforced by the fact that some Jews are recognizably different in appearance from the surrounding population. That many cannot be easily identified is overlooked and the stereotype for some is extended to all – a not uncommon phenomenon”

I've never been able to find a PDF version of the above.

 

[TabinRivCA]

The majority of Jews/Muslims in the ME want peace. However, there is an evil streak of die-hards, who want to wipe Israel off the map. Palestine won't accept Israel as a nation and with this in mind, Israelis must be on guard.
Terrorists have been digging tunnels to Israeli cities and setting off actual balloons with bombs attached on them going toward Israel.
Anyone who doubts who's side God is on should watch 'Against all odds' a series about absolute miracles God protected Jewish soldiers/rabbis/people with, that are like the miracles in the Bible.

 

[Didymous]

I think democrats pose a grave danger to democrats. Of course, I think anyone who obsesses excessively about politics is as danger to themselves-regardless of party affiliation.

 

[preacher4truth]

You know the leftists are in damage control telling her to shut up so they can still get Jewish votes. Then later on the leftists can figure out how to destroy the Jews and israel. And she can run her mouth again.

Because, you know, leftists have values and integrity too.