Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

You understand why we're supposed to get baptized?
Which simplistic understanding do you have of it?

Maybe I understand how much more complicated it is than you?

You should start showing some love instead of hate.
Hate eats at the heart.

You should quit assuming and laying hate at my door because I rake some of you over the coals because of the false drivel you peddle.....!!

 

[GodsGrace101]

You should quit assuming and laying hate at my door because I rake some of you over the coals because of the false drivel you peddle.....!!

Why do you keep saying...
RAKED OVER THE COALS.

Did you know that some saints actually were raked over the coals?
Please stop saying that...it brings ugly pix to mind.

It doesn't to you?

 

[GodsGrace101]

This is a moot reply.....I have always admitted my sin or ability to fail......how about you FRAN........was you previously banned?

Yes or No?

No.

I'm PERFECT !

 

[eternally-gratefull]

ABSOLUTELY NEVER in the Pre-Trib Camp, because it MAKES NO SENSE. When the economic collapse happens in the WORLD BANKING SYSTEM, that will be all over the NEWS. And when someone in the E.U. solves the Crisis, that too will be all over the NEWS. AND went the (Anti-christ) E.U. Representative from one of the nations, is invited to RULE, sparking the HEATED DEBATE in the E.U., that too will be all over the NEWS. AND the seven year countdown, starts with Peace Treaty that is since with ISRAEL, their Neighbors, and the {Anti-christ} Leader of the 10 Nation Confederacy the E.U.; obviously will be preceded with weeks if not months of PRE-SPECULATIONS of the DEAL (COVENANT) about to be hammered out; THAT TOO WILL BE WORLD WIDE NEWS. EVERYBODY will know him as the HERO that RESCUED THEIR MONEY, and monitory system. NEVER HEARD OF IT BEFORE, because it is based on a falsehood. And I have been a PRETRIBBER since 1977. SO THERE IS PLENTY OF TIME FOR THE ANTICHRIST TO BE REVEALED.

As far as the GREAT FALLING AWAY COMES FIRST. Have you not seen it here first HAND? Have you not seen the Demise is True FAITH, and the FALLING AWAY into entertain me Religion, Laodicean religion?

You do know who the restrainer is don't you? It is the Holy Spirit that indwells the CHURCH of CHRIST. And if he is going back to HEAVEN, to let Satin come to FULL POWER as the ANTICHRIST, then WE HAVE TO GO WITH HIM:

John 14:16-17 (NASB)
16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.

You just proved my point. So not sure what your trying to say.

 

[dcontroversal]

Why do you keep saying...
RAKED OVER THE COALS.

Did you know that some saints actually were raked over the coals?
Please stop saying that...it brings ugly pix to mind.

It doesn't to you?

No it does not and I know the history well...some 60 to 80 million people were killed for believing as I do and refusing to confess in the ears of one of your priests and or take communion with your Catholic church....I will continue to use such verbiage......sorry....when you can be honest with what I say and not falsely accuse of things we do not say and can be honest with the verbiage of the bible....we might be good...until then....I really do despise dishonest people!!

 

[dcontroversal]

No.

I'm PERFECT !

Exactly why we will never get along and or why nothing you say has value......NO HONESTY no Integrity......how can you say you believe obedience keeps you saved while being disobedient and NOW openly making a FALSE statement......shame on you

 

[GodsGrace101]

No it does not and I know the history well...some 60 to 80 million people were killed for believing as I do and refusing to confess in the ears of one of your priests and or take communion with your Catholic church....I will continue to use such verbiage......sorry....when you can be honest with what I say and not falsely accuse of things we do not say and can be honest with the verbiage of the bible....we might be good...until then....I really do despise dishonest people!!

Ummm....
I was referring to the early Christians that were tortured and killed for their faith.
Like, for instance, the 2nd century....

You're very restricted with your history.

 

[dcontroversal]

Ummm....
I was referring to the early Christians that were tortured and killed for their faith.
Like, for instance, the 2nd century....

You're very restricted with your history.

Not hardly....I said what I said on purpose and you did not qualify any time frame....see...you cannot help but acccuse to make yourself look better.....what a sham and a shame

 

[dcontroversal]

I like these

My view is God sent the church into enemy territory (inside the gates of Hell) and the gate will not stop Gods church.

A gate is something used to keep people out. Gods church will not be kept out. Satan will try, Many will suffer and be killed. But Satan will not win.

That is good as well......The thing I have learned by word studies is that God can teach numerous truths from one verse or the use of one word.....

 

[GodsGrace101]

Exactly why we will never get along and or why nothing you say has value......NO HONESTY no Integrity......how can you say you believe obedience keeps you saved while being disobedient and NOW openly making a FALSE statement......shame on you

 

[Argueless]

I have already humbly accepted those verses according to how they said it with the GUIDANCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT and not according to works-righteousness or the NOSAS doctrine.

Okay, I gave you a chance to ANSWER the question: What Is Born Again?
And all you can come up with is VAGUE answers.

Born Again, happens when you out of a WILLING, LOVING HEART (human spirit), surrender totally to CHRIST as LORD, Meaning MASTER. NO AND'S, IF'S, OR MAYBE'S, I mean TOTALLY SURRENDER TO HIM, an you will understand and KNOW you will NEVER TAKE IT BACK.

The reason I am convinced that YOU have never been Born Again, IS YOUR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING of certain words. Those words you have to have the HOLY SPIRIT IN YOU, to give you Spiritual Understanding, such as your recent LACK of understanding the recent word we DISCUSSED PERFECTION, where you admitted you do not understand what GOD meant by Perfection. You apparently do not understand the word DISCIPLESHIP either, as I believe, GOD has sent us to you, to disciple you. I have noticed the words with DEEP SPIRITUAL MEANINGS, you just go off into Left Field, thinking you know what they mean, when it is obvious they are foreign to you.


1 Corinthians 2:6-16 (NIV)
6 We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7 No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.
8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him"-
10 but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.


There are many words that requires you to be BORN AGAIN, before you can understand them. But FIRST you have to OPEN the door to your Human Spirit (your heart), and let HIM IN. He stands at the door and KNOCKS, but HE will not kick the door in. When You can totally surrender to HIM as LORD, meaning MASTER, HE will come in. BUT HE will not respond to a partial Surrender, HE WANTS ALL OF YOU.

So when you are ready to really SURRENDER it all, it brings deep conviction of SIN. I cried, deep mournful tears for Hours, realizing my whole lifestyle was an offense to HIM. So WHAT happens when the Holy Spirit comes in ? ? ? HE BIRTHS your Human Spirit into eternal life. You will realize that You now have a spiritual mind in your Human Spirit and a Carnal Mind between your ears, and yes they will be at war at first, but I can promise you that the Spiritual Mind will become DOMINATE as you feed on the WORD. HE pours GOD's LOVE directly into your human spirit, and that is like a seed in the good soil of your HEART. HE will give you SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING, as you Spiritually MATURE. HE will make you aware of HOW YOU CAN SERVE HIM, and I am not talking about just OBEDIENCE. YOU will realize that as you TOTALLY YIELD TO THE HOLY SPIRIT, the MORE you will Walk in the Spirit.

Please COME to HIM! I beg you to COME!

Does TOTAL SURRENDER exclude LOVE?

Many on this thread would CLAIM of being BORN AGAIN of INCORRUPTIBLE SEED but loves to INSULT, MALIGN and MOCK as if there's no way they can be wrong...too much PRIDE.

There are those who preach about LOVE so much but just the same, they INSULT, MALIGN and MOCK.

The apostle John said that LOVE is WALKING IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS while the Lord Jesus said that IF YOU WANT TO ENTER LIFE, OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS.

Is it TOTAL SURRENDER to DISOBEY GOD because they believe that they are ALWAYS SAVED and their SINS in the PAST, PRESENT and future were all forgiven thus there's no more ACCOUNTABILITY for them?

Is it TOTAL SURRENDER to CLAIM that you LOVE God then teach that OBEDIENCE TO GOD has no bearing in SALVATION?

Is it TOTAL SURRENDER or do you not rebel against God who has all the POWER and authority to save you by saying that OBEDIENCE TO GOD is just a part of LOVE but has no bearing in SALVATION.

Is it TOTAL SURRENDER to put LOVE beyond or lower than SALVATION?

If you do believe that God is LOVE, Is there anything greater than LOVE?

Rejecting or excluding LOVE from SALVATION would only mean that SALVATION is GREATER than LOVE and Faith ALONE saves regardless of HAVING or NOT "LOVE".

 

[dcontroversal]

This is what I mean,, Talk about attacking people.. Thats why I love this topic. But HATE discussing it.

I have spent years studying prophecy, I have studied all points of view. And my final conclusion in the end was this

Amil - Symbolic interpretation of scripture. (believes we are in the millenium now)
Pre-mil - Literal interpretation. Believes we are in the church age, or in the final age of the gentiles. Which will come to an end, Jesus will return in the future to set up his earthly kingdom in jerusalem on davids throne,

Pre-mil falls into 3 general views, Post Trib, Mid trib and Pre trib

Post trib- Rapture occures at the end, upon the return of Christ.

Mid trib - Rapture occures before the abomination of desolation, Before the actual time of wrath (time of Gods wrath is the final 3.5 years, not the whole 7)

Pre-trib - Church is removed before the man of sin is revealed (a covenant is made with many for 7 years which is also the tribulation period)

Of all these, in my studies

1. Amil is not even believable. Too much twisting of Gods word
2. Post mill I see far to many issues (you have the rapture, the bema seat judgement of all saved people of all time, then training for the kingdom age all happening in a split second, not)
3. Mid trib and pre trib I am torn. I believe there are to many problems with mid trib, but at same token, To much makes total sense. So although I lean pre, it is not set in stone. (My biggest issue is the wrath issue, There is peace the first 3.5, Not wrath. And second, when is the restrainer removed, Before the covenant, or before the abomination?)

But no matter what. I will not judge a brother for whatever they believe.

My view on the peace....30 days, short lived and sudden destruction.....think about the news cycle.....when they are saying peace and safety, sudden destruction

A very short time frame fits this....they would be celebrating, and all news agencies would be running storys etc like they do now for a few weeks to a month and then it falls off and a new story is pushed.....it does not make sense to me that they would be sayi g this and partying for 3.5 years as it would grow old after a few weeks and the story would change....I believe Daniel 12 breaks it down...1335 days he calls it a time of trouble such as the world has never seen....I know you disagree and it does not change my view of u as a brother....

30 days peace
1260 tribulation
45 wrath

This is my view....not that it matters, but I have studied the end extensively since 92

I agree with your last line migo

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Our human spirit was born into enternal life, and I believe it is possible for spirit to minister to spirit. In a way, we can sense when you are close to a like minded spirit. It only takes a few questions and you KNOW FOR SURE. I do not sense your spirit at all.

PLEASE open the DOOR and let HIM INTO YOUR HEART.

Hi VCO,

"I do not sense your spirit at all".
This shows some basic issues. We do not know each other. This is only sending a few sentences across
at a time. You are judging my meaning and context from your background. So this makes it impossible.
The best we can do for each other, is simply expect the best, and share how the Lord blesses us and means
to us.

After the few words of faith I have shared and also talking about meeting God face to face, walking with
an open heart, letting Him cleanse and purify us, it is almost funny you saying "open the DOOR, let
Him into you heart", because that is my message to all who will listen.

We need to let Him purify our hearts and make us whole, transform us into the Children of the Living
God, His pure, Holy, Blameless people, a bride fit for the bride groom of heaven.

So you see my puzzlement. How can you ask me to do what I am saying we all should do, because
obviously I am doing it already, or else I would not be bringing this message.

God bless you, and May His love shine upon you and bring you peace, Amen

 

[dcontroversal]

when did a date ask you to search scripture, it points out ware you read the scripture.

read what is written to you please , since you have not pointed out anything that i have written to be incorrect , and can understand what is written to you, then i have to assume , you have a bee in your bonnet.

could you please tell the forum what age you were ,when you first got a bible
(then reread what i have posted.)

ware did you get the rite to insult people and since you think you were born around 30 ad , why are posting on here should you not be dead or in heaven.

straight down the middle pal.

"WARE" did you learn to WRITE......what I have written is factual.....I suggest you study a bit and be open and honest with the truth.......

 

[eternally-gratefull]

My view on the peace....30 days, short lived and sudden destruction.....think about the news cycle.....when they are saying peace and safety, sudden destruction

A very short time frame fits this....they would be celebrating, and all news agencies would be running storys etc like they do now for a few weeks to a month and then it falls off and a new story is pushed.....it does not make sense to me that they would be sayi g this and partying for 3.5 years as it would grow old after a few weeks and the story would change....I believe Daniel 12 breaks it down...1335 days he calls it a time of trouble such as the world has never seen....I know you disagree and it does not change my view of u as a brother....

30 days peace
1260 tribulation
45 wrath

This is my view....not that it matters, but I have studied the end extensively since 92

I agree with your last line migo

I just see it that the treaty is signed for 7 years, in the middle of that weak the treaty is broken, THEN there will be great tribulation.

It is my belief that in that 3.5 years the temple will be rebuilt. Which means their must be some peace in Jerusalem between Muslims and Jews.. I can nto see them being alowed to rebuild a temple even today without major backlash..After that is war.

I also see most things spoken of in prophesy to center around jerusalem. As all prophesies usually do. Although there is also worlwide events occuring (like the 3rd of the world being destroyed etc etc, and the kings of the earth saying woe are we, for it is the time of Gods wrath and who can withstand it.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

"WARE" did you learn to WRITE......what I have written is factual.....I suggest you study a bit and be open and honest with the truth.......

Hi decon,

I agree with you "History" is just being provocative. It is almost the extreme biblical criticism line
of the liberals, which is actually too extreme and wrong. But the jokers are a laugh when you
know their game, lol

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I just see it that the treaty is signed for 7 years, in the middle of that weak the treaty is broken, THEN there will be great tribulation.

It is my belief that in that 3.5 years the temple will be rebuilt. Which means their must be some peace in Jerusalem between Muslims and Jews.. I can nto see them being alowed to rebuild a temple even today without major backlash..After that is war.

I also see most things spoken of in prophesy to center around jerusalem. As all prophesies usually do. Although there is also worlwide events occuring (like the 3rd of the world being destroyed etc etc, and the kings of the earth saying woe are we, for it is the time of Gods wrath and who can withstand it.

I wonder about this trying to fit history to prophecy. Prophecy is spoken to predict the judgement that will
fall unless the people repent. So the objective is to bring about repentence so the judgement does not
fall. So speculating is just pointless, unless we can actually affect the outcome.

But all I read is like seeing a horrorscope, created simply to generate fear and anxiety so people can make
money. Have any come into the Kingdom because of this speculation or have more been put off by
the lunacy of it all? Each generation of believers through history have made the same predictions, it is
happenning now, on this date, so you should sell everything, go to your bunkers etc. then nothing, oppsss,
its next year.

We should be fighting for justice and love for the widows and the ophan, for family values, faithfulness,
good marriages, learning to support one another. And our best argument is the strength of Jesus in our
lives, a shinning example of what the Kingdom of heaven can achieve on earth. But you do not hear this
much from all these doom merchants, of defeat and final collapse. God bless you.

 

[VCO]

You just proved my point. So not sure what your trying to say.

What ? ? ? You make no sense. I am absolutely SURE of everything that I SAID. Please explain what you are not sure of.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What ? ? ? You make no sense. I am absolutely SURE of everything that I SAID. Please explain what you are not sure of.

I just said you just proved my point.

My not sure comment is what you are arguing?

 

[gb9]

This is a moot reply.....I have always admitted my sin or ability to fail......how about you FRAN........was you previously banned?

Yes or No?

we keep giving her and the other workers and lawyers a chance to be honest.

they keep letting the chance pass them right by, then go back to lecturing us about not sinning.

we can see this, would love to know why they can't . ( or won't ).