Not By Works

[SpoonJuly]

If 144000 missionaries won 1 person. There is 144000 sould won, I believe many more than this will be saved.
When people see the two men rise from the dead and ascend to heaven, How many do you think will repent?

Look at the OT. God sent prophets into harms way all the time. Many were killed. Many were not. But God still sent them.

I believe I will not be here, I am not convinced, but I believe the church will be taken before it all happens.

But if i am wrong, i will do what needs to be done.. We have to be prepaired one way or the other. The world will need us.

So I did not miss Scripture that states many are saved by the witness of the 144,000 or the two witnesses in my studies.
I believe we/some of us will still be here during those last 1260 days.
Many will die for their witness. Maybe me, maybe you.
But some will survive and will be alive when Jesus returns.
They will survive because God hides them from the man of sin's army.
God is the one who choses who will be hidden and survive and those who will die for their witness.
I have prepared to hide my family, but if God has other plans, I will do my best to please Him.

 

[dcontroversal]

So I did not miss Scripture that states many are saved by the witness of the 144,000 or the two witnesses in my studies.
I believe we/some of us will still be here during those last 1260 days.
Many will die for their witness. Maybe me, maybe you.
But some will survive and will be alive when Jesus returns.
They will survive because God hides them from the man of sin's army.
God is the one who choses who will be hidden and survive and those who will die for their witness.
I have prepared to hide my family, but if God has other plans, I will do my best to please Him.

Same here bro.......and about 10 other believing families

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I am not for it or against it....what I mean is.....the time will come in our lifetime when we will not be allowed by law or death to speak of Christ or the truth....at that point, for the sake of those I love...I will disappear and am fully prepared to do as such and have been convicted by God since 911 to do as such....and if you knew EVERY DETAIL and how everything Came about you could not possibly deny that God's hand was in it......for example.....exactly 3.5 years of supplies for my handicapped son....OVER 3 MILLION DOLLARS WORTH that I did not have, handed to me freely by the state! Or...once when building where I will be, on a saturday on the way home I prayed and told the Lord I needed $200 to finish a project and I did not have it and could not get it, could he please help....On sunday a COMPLETE STRANGER walked up and said....God laid in on my heart to give you this....he shook my hand and placed money in my hand at the same time....EXACTLY 200 DOLLARS.....HUNDREDS of examples like this...NO ONE will convince me that God did not move me to prepare as I have for what is coming....

This sounds rather a selfish worldly project, building your treasure and security on earth.
3 million dollars spent for 2 people. On a project that will probably just rot over the next
30 years. And this is the Lords leading? Sounds really about the Kingdom of heaven and
desiring to go and be with God, and not build a palace and security here on earth.

It is minding numbing how some fall so easily because it is possible. Good grief........

 

[UnderGrace]

Silence is Golden.....LOL

#91,334

 

[dcontroversal]

And they went! I gave up on rapture debates over 30 years ago. Service to God and loving others is not something to stop doing. Ever!

My problem with the view of many.....We are some 2000 years past the cross with Only the bible as the accurate record of the 1st coming of Christ and a good solid view of that coming based upon scripture....and yet when it comes to the second coming many will not even address it or have a hard time understanding it EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE 8 PROPHECIES CONCERNING THE 2ND COMING FOR EVER 1 THAT APPLIED UNTO THE 1ST COMING........I was raised in a church that peddled the same ole imminent return theology and even peddled the same two out of context regurgitated verses to "proove" their stance.....It was not until I spent my first three years in seminary studying through the entire bible twice a year that my view changed to a post tribulation pre wrath stance....within that time frame I had to teach over 600 lessons publically in church and what really got me on to questioning the view that NO ONE QUESTIONED was having to teach through two church letters...1st and 2nd Thessalonians......the truth is there, but it takes honesty and being willing to be open to what is actually being said!

 

[gb9]

I know what you mean.
Music is very emotional, like worship. My wife dislikes this type of music as well, she is very classical.
My heart needs to soar with my Lord, so if I feel that in another I can link up.
I can sing a bit, so I just worship our Lord and King.

I worship in any format or situation, if it is bringing honour to His name.
In the end you need to find ones own worship expression, because He loves us all.

As far as long sermons go, normally I know most of the contents, so little is new,
it is the application and how the Lord is speaking to me at that moment.

When my mind opened up, and I saw how many threads exist even in one small part,
my mind got blown. I want to fill my mind with His word, so I can be ministered to
and minister to others. His word is eternal and living, our life blood, glory to His name.

And glory to God, there is no right way, it is our walks, a reflection of who we are, like
any child, we all have our expressions and joys, Amen.

just this once-
gb9 has read the Bible through multiple times, so, yes I have read 1st John multiple times. I just accept that it is a letter, and should be read as such, and not chopped into pieces with theology built around the pieces.

and I , like several others do not respond to you because we do not wish to participate in your musings about your emotional experiences and other's reaction to them when you share them.

you talk to and talk about yourself just fine without many us interacting with you.

 

[justpassinthrough]

I am not for it or against it....what I mean is.....the time will come in our lifetime when we will not be allowed by law or death to speak of Christ or the truth....at that point, for the sake of those I love...I will disappear and am fully prepared to do as such and have been convicted by God since 911 to do as such....and if you knew EVERY DETAIL and how everything Came about you could not possibly deny that God's hand was in it......for example.....exactly 3.5 years of supplies for my handicapped son....OVER 3 MILLION DOLLARS WORTH that I did not have, handed to me freely by the state! Or...once when building where I will be, on a saturday on the way home I prayed and told the Lord I needed $200 to finish a project and I did not have it and could not get it, could he please help....On sunday a COMPLETE STRANGER walked up and said....God laid in on my heart to give you this....he shook my hand and placed money in my hand at the same time....EXACTLY 200 DOLLARS.....HUNDREDS of examples like this...NO ONE will convince me that God did not move me to prepare as I have for what is coming....

Amen!

 

[Argueless]

You couldn’t be more wrong.



Now the Lord had said to Abram:
“Get out of your country,
From your family
And from your father’s house,
To a land that I will show you.
I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you
And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.
I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
So Abram departed...
Genesis 12:1-4



The obedience of faith in action.



Paul says it this way of this incident.


And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” Galatians 3:8



Now Hebrews of the same incident, that foreshadows salvation by the obedience of faith.



By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. Hebrews 11:8





Case Closed.



No obedience. No faith.


Know Obedience. Know Faith.




JPT

Amen.

The Parable of the Two Sons ...“What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work today in the vineyard.’ “‘I will not,’ he answered, but later he changed his mind and went. “Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, ‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go. “Which of the two did what his father wanted?” “The first,” they answered. Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
NIV1984 Matthew 21:28-32

"NO OBEDIENCE...NO FAITH...NO SPIRIT...DEAD...NO POWER...

...ALWAYS SAVED? NEVER.

 

[dcontroversal]

This sounds rather a selfish worldly project, building your treasure and security on earth.
3 million dollars spent for 2 people. On a project that will probably just rot over the next
30 years. And this is the Lords leading? Sounds really about the Kingdom of heaven and
desiring to go and be with God, and not build a palace and security here on earth.

It is minding numbing how some fall so easily because it is possible. Good grief........

Are you stupid.....how about read it again and get your facts straight Petey.....I said nothing of what you blather on about while bloviating in this post

 

[Argueless]

Passively, our work is to receive and rest in his work for us which is a terribly painful thing because we are all seasoned
“do-it-yourselfers.”


As it was with Martha in Luke 10:38-42, so it is with us: we just have to be doing something. We can’t sit still.

Achieving, not receiving, has become the mark of spiritual maturity.
It is much harder to rest in his promise of grace than it is to make a list and try to live by it.


With this in mind, Martin Luther wrote.....

“To be convinced in our hearts that we have forgiveness of sins and peace with God by grace alone is the hardest thing.”

...As God’s fellow workers we urge you NOT TO RECEIVE GOD'S GRACE IN VAIN. For he says, “In the time of my favor I heard you, and in the day of salvation I helped you.” I tell you, now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation. 2 Corinthians 6:1-2

...For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. Jude 1:4

 

[UnderGrace]

"NO OBEDIENCE...NO FAITH...NO SPIRIT...DEAD...NO POWER...

...ALWAYS SAVED? NEVER.

Here I can help you with this so that it is aligned with scripture.......

OBEDIENCE to the message of the Gospel...Completely done by His GRACE through FAITH... SPIRIT regenerated...The DEAD are made alive...New POWER by the infilling of the Holy Spirit.... Amen Thank you Jesus ...

...ALWAYS SAVED as promised by God, the one who is able to save to the uttermost, NEVER.. EVER to be forgotten or abandoned.

There Mr. Argueless now we truly HAVE GOOD NEWS

 

[calibob]

When I started hearing rapture theories I was in a non denominational ministry. So dissent was tolerated. No firm stance was pushed over another. Pre trib. seems much to easy and there seem to me to be enough clear warnings about what to expect. I can clearly see a cashless society is almost ready to happen. We (the public) just need to be tricked into falling for it.

 

[UnderGrace]

Petey

 

[VCO]

If 144000 missionaries won 1 person. There is 144000 sould won, I believe many more than this will be saved.
When people see the two men rise from the dead and ascend to heaven, How many do you think will repent?

Look at the OT. God sent prophets into harms way all the time. Many were killed. Many were not. But God still sent them.

I believe I will not be here, I am not convinced, but I believe the church will be taken before it all happens.

But if i am wrong, i will do what needs to be done.. We have to be prepaired one way or the other. The world will need us.

AND, I believe all 144,000 are JEWS, and they have been called to be protected in their mortal bodies, to repopulate ISRAEL in the KINGDOM, to continue the covenant that GOD has with ISRAEL to possess the LAND OF CANAAN.


Deuteronomy 7:9 (HCSB)
9 Know that Yahweh your God is God, the faithful God who keeps His gracious covenant loyalty for a thousand generations with those who love Him and keep His commands.

1 Chronicles 16:15-18 (HCSB)
15 Remember His covenant forever— the promise He ordained for a thousand generations,
16 ⌊the covenant⌋ He made with Abraham, swore to Isaac,
17 and confirmed to Jacob as a decree, and to Israel as an everlasting covenant:
18 “I will give the land of Canaan to you as your inherited portion.”

Psalm 105:8-11 (HCSB)
8 He remembers His covenant forever, the promise He ordained for a thousand generations—
9 ⌊the covenant⌋ He made with Abraham, swore to Isaac,
10 and confirmed to Jacob as a decree and to Israel as an everlasting covenant:
11 “I will give the land of Canaan to you as your inherited portion.”

Psalm 103:7-11 (HCSB)
7 He revealed His ways to Moses, His deeds to the people of Israel.
8 The LORD is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger and rich in faithful love.
9 He will not always accuse ⌊us⌋ or be angry forever.
10 He has not dealt with us as our sins deserve or repaid us according to our offenses.
11 For as high as the heavens are above the earth, so great is His faithful love toward those who fear Him.


GOD KEEPS HIS PROMISES, PERIOD.


The 144,000 are HIS MORTAL REMNANTS to repopulate ISRAEL, while those inside ISRAEL (not those who flee ISRAEL, Zech. 14:2, to go into exile), all who HEAR AND BELIEVE THE TWO WITNESSES WILL BECOME PART OF THE MARTYRED SAINTS (Tribulation Saints).

 

[Budman]

"NO OBEDIENCE...NO FAITH...NO SPIRIT...DEAD...NO POWER...

...ALWAYS SAVED? NEVER.

In your opinion, how many times does the average Christian in a lifetime gets saved, loses salvation through sin, gets saved again, etc.?

5? 10? 20? 50? 100?

Or do you believe once salvation is lost, you can never be saved again?

 

[dcontroversal]

In your opinion, how many times does the average Christian in a lifetime gets saved, loses salvation through sin, gets saved again, etc.?

5? 10? 20? 50? 100?

Or do you believe once salvation is lost, you can never be saved again?

They all believe in Russian Roulette salvation and like buying a lottery ticket HOPE they win.......

 

[dcontroversal]

View attachment 195518

A 1st grader can read what I wrote and understand I did not say what he blathered on about...

 

[dcontroversal]

God said the gates of hell will not prevail

If they will not listen to me here, I will go where God leads me

I will not go hide in caves. I can not bear fruit and win the lost hiding in caves.

The 144000 and two witnesses win many lost souls. The harvest will be ripe. It always is in time of great distress.. Thats when God will need us most.

I will serve him (I Hope) Like I served my country. If not. May God forgive me

My view on the gates of hell not prevailing against the march of the kingdom is two fold ..

a. The power of evil will not stop it or defeat it

b. Death shall not overtake it and it will come to fruition as planned

 

[dcontroversal]

I respect your stand. May God bless your effort.
But could you give me Scripture that states that the two witnesses and 144,000 win many souls.
I have never read that before.

I do not believe the 144,000 are alive on the planet in the end when all the facts and verbiage are studied.....In heaven before the throne and follwoing the Lord wherever he goes....the wave offering and train of the Lord is my view

 

[Lafftur]

I do not believe the 144,000 are alive on the planet in the end when all the facts and verbiage are studied.....In heaven before the throne and follwoing the Lord wherever he goes....the wave offering and train of the Lord is my view

dc, I have found myself often pondering your theory of the 144,000 being the slain male babies birth to 2 years old in Bethelehem.....

There has to be something for them.......that was a lot of blood shed........there has to be something......the martyrs that receive their white robe under the alter perhaps..........................I don't know..........there is something for them................I do believe so......just what, I do not know.......