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eternally-gratefull said:
I know

Bt he is taling to those in jerusalem

The OT says and even revelations says that God will protect Isreal (the woman) while her offspring is persecuted

We still have to do our jobs.. If we are not doing what we were commissioned to do. We are a sad people.
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I think you know me well enough to know I will witness to my last breath....and go down defending the truth....
 
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SpoonJuly said:
There is a time to speak, a time to remain silent, and a time to walk away.
Even Paul left in a basket let down over the wall when they would no longer listen but would kill him.
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Paul did not go hide in a cave, he went other places.

Isolationalsim in the church is wrong.. We are told not to be of the world not to not go in it.

Again, the gates of hell will not prevail. God goes with us..the world will need th egspel then more than at any time in histroy of mankind,
 
What you learn locked up:

Real recognize real.

Some guys turn religious in prison for protection and to "lay low" because for some reason, people are respected for that in those circles. They leave you alone. But if you keep gamblin(or lookin at dirtymags) and reading the Bible at the same time, they will find you out, call you out on it, and faster than you know it your cantine money is took and what you gonna do about that?

Whats my point? Well me personally I havent yet found a verse that specifically forbids gambling. I know proverbs say quick money aint no good usually, but its not specific "dont gamble verse"
Yet even the lost world knew that its not something a man of God should do.
 
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FollowHisSteps said:
A small observation

What dominates most churches today is worship songs of praise to God.
It has grown because this is a personal relationship expression of who God is in our lives.

By contrast we have a group of believers whose focus is on being preached to hour upon hour,
by one teacher to them, with prayer before and after. Praise God for the study of His word,
except from what has been expressed it is polarised and unimaginative and without the
depth Gods word speaks to our hearts at the right time in the right way.

I testify, preachers reach me as they bring Gods word alive, and the Lord speaks to my heart.
It maybe totally different than the preacher intended, but that is God speaking.
Our teacher is Christ through the Holy Spirit. We are like the wind, and His people cannot
be contained, Amen, thank you Jesus for who you are and how you work

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im sorry bro i cant......... I CANT ok! I cant resist not saying something!

I would mcuh rather have someone yell at me for an hour and preach the Bible than listen to the song you linked lol

The title says WILL thats a man's name. Yet he sings like the backstreet boys, im not INSULTING this time, im just pointing it out that I PERSONALLY cannot cannot cannot deal with it. Without a microphone and modern technology nobody could hear his singing. Try that in the 1800s and even the first row cant hear ya!

I CANT. Not how i grew up, not how i lived. I like those marching bands the army has.

I know EG and DC are military guys, they know the GLOORY GLOORY HALLLELUUJAAAH song. Now thats what im talking about! MINE EYES HAVE SEEN COMING OF THE GLORY OF THE LORD!

You get a bunch of guys singing that to a marching beat and IM IN. But backstreet boys moaning to the microphone? Im running for the door brother!

Im one of those guys that sucks at singing but i will SCREAM in church, just BECAUSE I CAN
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Paul did not go hide in a cave, he went other places.

Isolationalsim in the church is wrong.. We are told not to be of the world not to not go in it.

Again, the gates of hell will not prevail. God goes with us..the world will need th egspel then more than at any time in histroy of mankind,
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Paul went to as many as he could until he could no longer do so and we should do the same.
But the day will come when we may not be able to go, but we should not stop gathering with those believers close to us and do what ever we must to protect those same believers.
This has happened in the past and will again.
 
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Hevosmies said:
What you learn locked up:

Real recognize real.

Some guys turn religious in prison for protection and to "lay low" because for some reason, people are respected for that in those circles. They leave you alone. But if you keep gamblin(or lookin at dirtymags) and reading the Bible at the same time, they will find you out, call you out on it, and faster than you know it your cantine money is took and what you gonna do about that?

Whats my point? Well me personally I havent yet found a verse that specifically forbids gambling. I know proverbs say quick money aint no good usually, but its not specific "dont gamble verse"
Yet even the lost world knew that its not something a man of God should do.
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Gambling is not forbidden. It's not a good ide EITHER.
So they drew lots for them, and when the lot fell on Matthias, he was enrolled with the eleven apostles. NET Bible Then they cast lots for them, and the one chosen was Matthias; so he was counted with the eleven apostles. New Heart English Bible They drew lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
 
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SpoonJuly said:
Paul went to as many as he could until he could no longer do so and we should do the same.
But the day will come when we may not be able to go, but we should not stop gathering with those believers close to us and do what ever we must to protect those same believers.
This has happened in the past and will again.
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God said the gates of hell will not prevail

If they will not listen to me here, I will go where God leads me

I will not go hide in caves. I can not bear fruit and win the lost hiding in caves.

The 144000 and two witnesses win many lost souls. The harvest will be ripe. It always is in time of great distress.. Thats when God will need us most.

I will serve him (I Hope) Like I served my country. If not. May God forgive me
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Yet he still have them the gospel

My point is we need to not hide, but go preach. If we die, so be it.

I am against isolationalsim.
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I am not for it or against it....what I mean is.....the time will come in our lifetime when we will not be allowed by law or death to speak of Christ or the truth....at that point, for the sake of those I love...I will disappear and am fully prepared to do as such and have been convicted by God since 911 to do as such....and if you knew EVERY DETAIL and how everything Came about you could not possibly deny that God's hand was in it......for example.....exactly 3.5 years of supplies for my handicapped son....OVER 3 MILLION DOLLARS WORTH that I did not have, handed to me freely by the state! Or...once when building where I will be, on a saturday on the way home I prayed and told the Lord I needed $200 to finish a project and I did not have it and could not get it, could he please help....On sunday a COMPLETE STRANGER walked up and said....God laid in on my heart to give you this....he shook my hand and placed money in my hand at the same time....EXACTLY 200 DOLLARS.....HUNDREDS of examples like this...NO ONE will convince me that God did not move me to prepare as I have for what is coming....
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
God said the gates of hell will not prevail

If they will not listen to me here, I will go where God leads me

I will not go hide in caves. I can not bear fruit and win the lost hiding in caves.

The 144000 and two witnesses win many lost souls. The harvest will be ripe. It always is in time of great distress.. Thats when God will need us most.

I will serve him (I Hope) Like I served my country. If not. May God forgive me
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eternally-gratefull said:
I will serve him (I Hope) Like I served my country. If not. May God forgive me
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Lets race, who can watch football vs boxing quicker?

Im for evangelizing, going OUT to do it. I also didnt say your church is the devil, you said you have like an hour of preaching so that sounds good to me.
I was just listing things ive heard on here and in real life on how preaching is substituted by this and that, clearly in your church its not substitued
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
God said the gates of hell will not prevail

If they will not listen to me here, I will go where God leads me

I will not go hide in caves. I can not bear fruit and win the lost hiding in caves.

The 144000 and two witnesses win many lost souls. The harvest will be ripe. It always is in time of great distress.. Thats when God will need us most.

I will serve him (I Hope) Like I served my country. If not. May God forgive me
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I respect your stand. May God bless your effort.
But could you give me Scripture that states that the two witnesses and 144,000 win many souls.
I have never read that before.
 
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Hevosmies said:
im sorry bro i cant......... I CANT ok! I cant resist not saying something!

I would mcuh rather have someone yell at me for an hour and preach the Bible than listen to the song you linked lol

The title says WILL thats a man's name. Yet he sings like the backstreet boys, im not INSULTING this time, im just pointing it out that I PERSONALLY cannot cannot cannot deal with it. Without a microphone and modern technology nobody could hear his singing. Try that in the 1800s and even the first row cant hear ya!

I CANT. Not how i grew up, not how i lived. I like those marching bands the army has.

I know EG and DC are military guys, they know the GLOORY GLOORY HALLLELUUJAAAH song. Now thats what im talking about! MINE EYES HAVE SEEN COMING OF THE GLORY OF THE LORD!

You get a bunch of guys singing that to a marching beat and IM IN. But backstreet boys moaning to the microphone? Im running for the door brother!

Im one of those guys that sucks at singing but i will SCREAM in church, just BECAUSE I CAN
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I know what you mean.
Music is very emotional, like worship. My wife dislikes this type of music as well, she is very classical.
My heart needs to soar with my Lord, so if I feel that in another I can link up.
I can sing a bit, so I just worship our Lord and King.

I worship in any format or situation, if it is bringing honour to His name.
In the end you need to find ones own worship expression, because He loves us all.

As far as long sermons go, normally I know most of the contents, so little is new,
it is the application and how the Lord is speaking to me at that moment.

When my mind opened up, and I saw how many threads exist even in one small part,
my mind got blown. I want to fill my mind with His word, so I can be ministered to
and minister to others. His word is eternal and living, our life blood, glory to His name.

And glory to God, there is no right way, it is our walks, a reflection of who we are, like
any child, we all have our expressions and joys, Amen.
 
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SpoonJuly said:
I respect your stand. May God bless your effort.
But could you give me Scripture that states that the two witnesses and 144,000 win many souls.
I have never read that before.
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If 144000 missionaries won 1 person. There is 144000 sould won, I believe many more than this will be saved.
When people see the two men rise from the dead and ascend to heaven, How many do you think will repent?

Look at the OT. God sent prophets into harms way all the time. Many were killed. Many were not. But God still sent them.

I believe I will not be here, I am not convinced, but I believe the church will be taken before it all happens.

But if i am wrong, i will do what needs to be done.. We have to be prepaired one way or the other. The world will need us.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
If 144000 missionaries won 1 person. There is 144000 sould won, I believe many more than this will be saved.
When people see the two men rise from the dead and ascend to heaven, How many do you think will repent?

Look at the OT. God sent prophets into harms way all the time. Many were killed. Many were not. But God still sent them.

I believe I will not be here, I am not convinced, but I believe the church will be taken before it all happens.

But if i am wrong, i will do what needs to be done.. We have to be prepaired one way or the other. The world will need us.
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And they went! I gave up on rapture debates over 30 years ago. Service to God and loving others is not something to stop doing. Ever!
 
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calibob said:
And they went! I gave up on rapture debates over 30 years ago. Service to God and loving others is not something to stop doing. Ever!
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Rapture debates are non salvic. No one will know until it comes.. Until then we can just try to learn and decide for ourselves..

I have my beliefs, but i would be foolish t think I was right no matter what.
 
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