Jesus is not coming back. He already did in 70 A.D.
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Have you read Ezekiel 8 & 9? Those chapters led to the destruction of the first temple. I think something similar took place with the destruction of the second temple most likely. I think John is drawing some of his imagery for Rev 13 from Ezekiel 8 & 9.
I think the only people who were capable of setting up the "abomination of desolation" were the Jews themselves. I could definitely see the zealots setting up an image. Read Ezekiel 8.
Just my thoughts on the matter. What say ye?
I think the only people who were capable of setting up the "abomination of desolation" were the Jews themselves. I could definitely see the zealots setting up an image. Read Ezekiel 8.
Just my thoughts on the matter. What say ye?
I'm surprised Locutus hasn't converted you to the FP view by now. He is trying to help you out! 
The problem I see with all the other views; amill, postmill, futurist, partial-preterist, is that they all believe in a future "second coming" of Christ, a resurrection and judgment, and a new heavens and earth but the Bible says these things happened in the first century. It's too bad that 98% of Christians hold to one of these eschatologies and, at least in my opinion, the Bible teaches they already happened.
Hopefully, one day, Christians will come to a more unified understanding of the Scriptures and we won't have to be so polemic.
The problem I see with all the other views; amill, postmill, futurist, partial-preterist, is that they all believe in a future "second coming" of Christ, a resurrection and judgment, and a new heavens and earth but the Bible says these things happened in the first century. It's too bad that 98% of Christians hold to one of these eschatologies and, at least in my opinion, the Bible teaches they already happened.
Hopefully, one day, Christians will come to a more unified understanding of the Scriptures and we won't have to be so polemic.
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The way I look at it is the zealots were awful, awful people. Most likely related to dcontroversal (lol couldn't resist because of his rude remarks he just posted ) and so I could see them easily being idolaters.
They went around murdering everyone in the city who wanted peace with Rome.
I've heard about the Roman eagles as a possiblity for the Abomination of Desolation. Not sure if you are referring to that. I think it could have only been the Jews who set up the AoD. I base that off Ezekiel 8 and the destruction of the first temple. I think history was repeating itself in that sense.
) and so I could see them easily being idolaters.They went around murdering everyone in the city who wanted peace with Rome.
I've heard about the Roman eagles as a possiblity for the Abomination of Desolation. Not sure if you are referring to that. I think it could have only been the Jews who set up the AoD. I base that off Ezekiel 8 and the destruction of the first temple. I think history was repeating itself in that sense.
The way I look at it is the zealots were awful, awful people. Most likely related to dcontroversal (lol couldn't resist because of his rude remarks he just posted ) and so I could see them easily being idolaters.
They went around murdering everyone in the city who wanted peace with Rome.
I've heard about the Roman eagles as a possiblity for the Abomination of Desolation. Not sure if you are referring to that. I think it could have only been the Jews who set up the AoD. I base that off Ezekiel 8 and the destruction of the first temple. I think history was repeating itself in that sense.
) and so I could see them easily being idolaters.They went around murdering everyone in the city who wanted peace with Rome.
I've heard about the Roman eagles as a possiblity for the Abomination of Desolation. Not sure if you are referring to that. I think it could have only been the Jews who set up the AoD. I base that off Ezekiel 8 and the destruction of the first temple. I think history was repeating itself in that sense.
I'll just leave this quote by William Kelly (from his Commentary on 2 Peter 3), here (coz quite frankly I am tired of typing ):
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"We have seen that the Holy Spirit lets us know one special trait of philosophic unbelief at the end of the days of nominal Christianity. Mockers with mocking, proceeding according to their own lusts' and saying, "Where is the promise of his coming? for from the day that the fathers fell asleep all things continue thus from creation's beginning."
"It is not true. "For this escapeth their notice willingly, that by the word of God heavens were of old, and an earth having its subsistence out of water and through water; by which [waters] the then world being overflowed with water perished" (vers. 5, 6). It is barefaced materialism which the light of Christ ought to have dispelled. Rather did the proclamation of grace encourage these unbelieving speculators to deny that judgment is imminent for living man upon the earth. The Jews were much less incredulous as to it than the nations, and themselves secured as being the seed of Abraham. Blind to their own sins, their prejudices conspired to read clearly what the Prophets wrote on the downfall of the world in general. Yet the Lord had already reversed all thought of immunity for the ungodly, whether Jew or Gentile. He had declared the universality of the judgment which He Himself would indict on the quick. For it is quite distinct from the judgment which awaits all the unbelieving dead whom He will raise for the purpose at the end of His world-kingdom. But the imminence of the judgment on the quick, Christendom has ever been too ready to put off, if not disbelieve, whatever the common creeds may say: what we wish not we readily forget.
"The Lord had done more. In His great prophetic discourse on the Mount of Olives He had compared this very judgment of the quick to the days of the deluge.
" "Watch therefore; for ye know not on what day your Lord doth come." It may be urged that He has the judgment of the Jews particularly before Him in these words, which manifestly apply not to the Roman siege of Jerusalem any more than to the judgment of the wicked in Rev. 19. But in Luke 17:29, and following verses, He refers to the days of Lot also, and thus gives it a bearing on the Gentiles too. Again in Luke 21:25-35 He directly refers to the Gentiles also. For which reason He speaks not only of "the fig-tree" but of "all the trees," and declares that "as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth." "
--William Kelly, Commentary on 2 Peter 3
[end quoting; bold and underline mine]
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"We have seen that the Holy Spirit lets us know one special trait of philosophic unbelief at the end of the days of nominal Christianity. Mockers with mocking, proceeding according to their own lusts' and saying, "Where is the promise of his coming? for from the day that the fathers fell asleep all things continue thus from creation's beginning."
"It is not true. "For this escapeth their notice willingly, that by the word of God heavens were of old, and an earth having its subsistence out of water and through water; by which [waters] the then world being overflowed with water perished" (vers. 5, 6). It is barefaced materialism which the light of Christ ought to have dispelled. Rather did the proclamation of grace encourage these unbelieving speculators to deny that judgment is imminent for living man upon the earth. The Jews were much less incredulous as to it than the nations, and themselves secured as being the seed of Abraham. Blind to their own sins, their prejudices conspired to read clearly what the Prophets wrote on the downfall of the world in general. Yet the Lord had already reversed all thought of immunity for the ungodly, whether Jew or Gentile. He had declared the universality of the judgment which He Himself would indict on the quick. For it is quite distinct from the judgment which awaits all the unbelieving dead whom He will raise for the purpose at the end of His world-kingdom. But the imminence of the judgment on the quick, Christendom has ever been too ready to put off, if not disbelieve, whatever the common creeds may say: what we wish not we readily forget.
"The Lord had done more. In His great prophetic discourse on the Mount of Olives He had compared this very judgment of the quick to the days of the deluge.
" "Watch therefore; for ye know not on what day your Lord doth come." It may be urged that He has the judgment of the Jews particularly before Him in these words, which manifestly apply not to the Roman siege of Jerusalem any more than to the judgment of the wicked in Rev. 19. But in Luke 17:29, and following verses, He refers to the days of Lot also, and thus gives it a bearing on the Gentiles too. Again in Luke 21:25-35 He directly refers to the Gentiles also. For which reason He speaks not only of "the fig-tree" but of "all the trees," and declares that "as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth." "
--William Kelly, Commentary on 2 Peter 3
[end quoting; bold and underline mine]
Yeah, the new heavens and new earth were created in the first century yet the earth continues to deteriorate. No mention either of Jesus setting up His 1000 year reign or Satan being bound for a 1000 years until he could deceive the nations once again. Don't see a New Jerusalem either. That would be kind of a hard thing to miss. No mention of the Two Witnesses either who were to prophesy for 3 1/2 years until they were killed only to be raised from the dead after 3 days. No mention either of the battle of Armageddon. That battle is going to have some serious boots on the ground. The Abomination of Desolation is notably absent either. Delirious indeed, and perhaps delusional as well.
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^ EDIT: just to tack onto my post above, a brief quote from my Post #529, Page 27:
"[adding the passages I've pointed out in the past: 1Jn4:2 "having come [perfect participle] in flesh" is distinct from 2Jn1:7's "who confess not Jesus Christ coming [present participle] in flesh"]" [end of that quoted post]
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"…those not confessing Jesus Christ coming [present participle] in flesh."
"[adding the passages I've pointed out in the past: 1Jn4:2 "having come [perfect participle] in flesh" is distinct from 2Jn1:7's "who confess not Jesus Christ coming [present participle] in flesh"]" [end of that quoted post]
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"…those not confessing Jesus Christ coming [present participle] in flesh."
Revelation 22:10 NKJV
[10] And he said to me, "Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand.
Yes 'the time is at hand' referring to the imminency of His coming. The Book was not to be sealed so all could be ready by taking heed. It fits with...
Revelation 1:3 NKJV
[3] Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.
[10] And he said to me, "Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand.
Yes 'the time is at hand' referring to the imminency of His coming. The Book was not to be sealed so all could be ready by taking heed. It fits with...
Revelation 1:3 NKJV
[3] Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.
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We live in the new heavens and earth. Christ's kingdom. The new heavens and earth is not a literal place. Many theologians in the past have correctly recognized this like John Owen, John Lightfoot, Sir Isaac Newton and Charles Spurgeon to name a few.
Read Isaiah 65: 1-16 carefully. What do you see it describing there? It is describing old covenant Israel who was unfaithful to God. They constantly rebelled and grieved him. It also talks about God calling His servants by a new name (the Gentiles).
Now pay attention to verses 17 & 18. The new heavens and new earth are a New Jerusalem whose people are a joy to God. Not a literal place. It's a kingdom. Christ's kingdom. Made up of people who are filled with His spirit. Christians.
Notice also in Rev 21 that the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven is the church. The foundations of the city have the names of the 12 apostles which are the men that Christ began His church with. How do you write the names of people on the foundation of a city? This is symbolism. It is not a literal place but a kingdom.
Read Isaiah 65: 1-16 carefully. What do you see it describing there? It is describing old covenant Israel who was unfaithful to God. They constantly rebelled and grieved him. It also talks about God calling His servants by a new name (the Gentiles).
Now pay attention to verses 17 & 18. The new heavens and new earth are a New Jerusalem whose people are a joy to God. Not a literal place. It's a kingdom. Christ's kingdom. Made up of people who are filled with His spirit. Christians.
Notice also in Rev 21 that the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven is the church. The foundations of the city have the names of the 12 apostles which are the men that Christ began His church with. How do you write the names of people on the foundation of a city? This is symbolism. It is not a literal place but a kingdom.
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