Bible Theories and Question on God Creation.

[Oseas]

I have a theory that both Lucifer and the Serpent aren't the same person. Because how was Lucifer able to change himself and become a devils. If Lucifer was know to be holy and cherubs. While the serpent who is know to be ancient dragons, a demon and a satan is able disguise himself as an angel. They are both different species or creation that were made by God.

Greetings. I am a new member here.
Reading your post I quote a portion to comment it, trying to bring some light on this biblical matter, if I am able to, for our meditation, and interpretation, and knowledge.

Well, be called Lucifer or Serpent, or yet Devil and Satan, all these names carry us to one, the Cherub that ruled the Garden of Eden.

- In Isaiah he is called "son of the morning or Lucifer" (Is.14:v.12);
- In Ezekiel 28:v.12 he is called king of Tyrus; In the verses 14-15 yet as king of Tyrus, he is called "the anointed cherub that covereth".
- In Ezekiel 31:v.2 he is called Pharaoh king of Egypt. In the verses 7-8 we can see his greatness among the trees of the garden of Eden.

1 - You wrote: "Lucifer and the Serpent aren't the same person".
Yes, they are the same.

2 - You wrote: "Because how was Lucifer able to change himself and become a devils".

For this question we have a ready answer: There was not any change by his ownself to become a devil, in fact, the Almighty God made him a demon, his heavenly nature since was created was changed automatically and was transformed into demonic or satanic nature when iniquity was found in him, and God brought him unto ashes upon the earth. Ez.28:v.18
God cursed the rebel cherub. God said to him: "thou are cursed". Gen.3:v.14

In the New Testament we see:
Luke 4:v.5-7
5 And the devil, taking JESUS up into an high mountain, shewed unto Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto Him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

2 Cor. 11:v.13-15
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

2 Thessalonians 2:7-12
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Revelation 2:v.9&24
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

Revelation 12:v.3-4&7
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
7 And there was WAR in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Revelation 16:v.13-15
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the Dragon, and out of the mouth of the Beast, and out of the mouth of the False Prophet. (a satanic trinity)
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

Revelation 20:v.1-3
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 

[Oseas]

The serpent is capable to disguise himself as an Angel.

Well, Satan is known as an angel of light due his profound knowledge of Scriptures. The Word of God is light. By the way, Satan tempted JESUS with the word of Truth, he made mention of the Word of God. Satan said: "it is written" and call Psalms 91:v.11 . As a Dragon - Red Dragpn - His body here in the earth has 7 heads, 10 horns and a TAIL as you can see in Rev. 13:1-18 and 12:v.3-4. Satan knew the time of Michael birth in this time of Apocalypse. Revelation 12:v.5-7 and Rev.2:v.26-27

Here goes what says the Word of God about Satan: Ezekiel 28:v.3 - Thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee. (It is impressive. Terrible. )

While Angel aren't capable disguise them as demon instead of human beings. Remember the story of Lot.

Could you say what you meant with "the story of Lot"?

 

[amberlynlover7]

Well, Satan is known as an angel of light due his profound knowledge of Scriptures. The Word of God is light. By the way, Satan tempted JESUS with the word of Truth, he made mention of the Word of God. Satan said: "it is written" and call Psalms 91:v.11 . As a Dragon - Red Dragpn - His body here in the earth has 7 heads, 10 horns and a TAIL as you can see in Rev. 13:1-18 and 12:v.3-4. Satan knew the time of Michael birth in this time of Apocalypse. Revelation 12:v.5-7 and Rev.2:v.26-27

Here goes what says the Word of God about Satan: Ezekiel 28:v.3 - Thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee. (It is impressive. Terrible. )



Could you say what you meant with "the story of Lot"?

Well, Satan is known as an angel of light due his profound knowledge of Scriptures. The Word of God is light. By the way, Satan tempted JESUS with the word of Truth, he made mention of the Word of God. Satan said: "it is written" and call Psalms 91:v.11 . As a Dragon - Red Dragpn - His body here in the earth has 7 heads, 10 horns and a TAIL as you can see in Rev. 13:1-18 and 12:v.3-4. Satan knew the time of Michael birth in this time of Apocalypse. Revelation 12:v.5-7 and Rev.2:v.26-27

Here goes what says the Word of God about Satan: Ezekiel 28:v.3 - Thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee. (It is impressive. Terrible. )



Could you say what you meant with "the story of Lot"?

Don't u remember lot who happens to be Abraham nephew was living in Somdonah and Gomrah. The place where the evilness and sin. The two angel were to destory the city and managed to transform themselves as two human beings who were know to be gay and want to have sexual relations with lot men.

 

[pottersclay]

Don't u remember lot who happens to be Abraham nephew was living in Somdonah and Gomrah. The place where the evilness and sin. The two angel were to destory the city and managed to transform themselves as two human beings who were know to be gay and want to have sexual relations with lot men.

Your recall of lots story is wrong. The angels did not transform their self. The men of the city wanted relations with the angels considering they were new men to the city.
The angels could not destroy the city untill lot and his family were removed.
Lot offered up his daughters instead of the angels but they refused. Showing what manner of lust they had. They were blinded.

 

[pottersclay]

My belief and occult have nothing do to with my perception. FYI I'm not even in a occult. Btw I use to be a Christian so I know alot of bible. I'm just simplfy asking questions or giving some theory that I thought of.

Sad to hear the use to be thing.......why did you leave Christ???

 

[obedienttogod]

Greetings. I am a new member here.
Reading your post I quote a portion to comment it, trying to bring some light on this biblical matter, if I am able to, for our meditation, and interpretation, and knowledge.

I can only assume (after reading your post before choosing which parts to address) that you are not aware that Lucifer is a FAKE NAME. The Book of Isaiah was written in 100% Hebrew/Aramaic some 500 -700 years before the language that brought us the term Lucifer ever existed (that language is Latin Vulgate).

And I can only assume that you are also not aware that the Devil and Satan are also FAKE NAMES given to us by the Greek language.

I will provide actual Torah/Tanakh scripture to prove my point that the words Devil - Lucifer - Satan were never used by the Hebrew people (they called him what God told them which is "the Adversary").

The NAMES Devil - Lucifer - Satan are all words not found in the Hebrew Scriptures.

We only have these NAMES due to inaccurate translation.

- In Isaiah he is called "son of the morning or Lucifer" (Is.14:v.12);

The actual Book of Isaiah from the Tanakh: "Yeshayahu - Isaiah - Chapter 14:12"

Yeshayahu 14:12
יבאֵ֛יךְ נָפַ֥לְתָּ מִשָּׁמַ֖יִם הֵילֵ֣ל בֶּן־שָּׁ֑חַר נִגְדַּ֣עְתָּ
לָאָ֔רֶץ חוֹלֵ֖שׁ עַל־גּוֹיִֽם:

in English:
12 How have you fallen from heaven, ((the morning star?)) You have been cut down to earth, You who cast lots on nations.

In the accurate Hebrew version of the Book of Yeshayahu (Isaiah), you will notice the only name mentioned is (morning star) (Yeshua or Jesus obviously is the (Bright and Morning Star)). But no mention of Lucifer anywhere. That is because Yeshayahu (Isaiah) never used or would use a term from the Latin Vulgate Language.

For one and most important, when Yeshayahu (Isaiah) was alive, the Latin Vulgate Language [[did not exist yet]]. So it would be impossible for Yeshayahu (Isaiah) to use a term from a language that did not exist yet!!



From the KJV - the use of the term Satan

Job 1:
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?


From the Hebrew Torah/Tanakh - the use of the Adversary

Iyov (Job) 1: verse 6
ווַיְהִ֣י הַיּ֔וֹם וַיָּבֹ֙אוּ֙ בְּנֵ֣י הָֽאֱלֹהִ֔ים לְהִתְיַצֵּ֖ב
עַל־יְהֹוָ֑ה וַיָּב֥וֹא גַם־הַשָּׂטָ֖ן בְּתוֹכָֽם:

in English:
6 Now the day came about, and the angels of God came to stand beside the Lord, and the Adversary, too, came among them.


verse 7:
זוַיֹּ֧אמֶר יְהֹוָ֛ה אֶל־הַשָּׂטָ֖ן מֵאַ֣יִן תָּבֹ֑א וַיַּ֨עַן
הַשָּׂטָ֚ן אֶת־יְהֹוָה֙ וַיֹּאמַ֔ר מִשּׁ֣וּט בָּאָ֔רֶץ
וּמֵֽהִתְהַלֵּ֖ךְ בָּֽהּ:

in English:
7 The Lord said to the Adversary, "Where are you coming from?" And the Adversary answered the Lord and said, "From going to and fro on the earth and from walking in it."


verse 8:
חוַיֹּ֚אמֶר יְהֹוָה֙ אֶל־הַשָּׂטָ֔ן הֲשַׂ֣מְתָּ לִבְּךָ֘
עַל־עַבְדִּ֣י אִיּוֹב֒ כִּ֣י אֵ֚ין כָּמֹ֙הוּ֙ בָּאָ֔רֶץ אִ֣ישׁ תָּ֧ם
וְיָשָׁ֛ר יְרֵ֥א אֱלֹהִ֖ים וְסָ֥ר מֵרָֽע:

in English:
8 Now the Lord said to the Adversary, "Have you paid attention to My servant Job? For there is none like him on earth, a sincere and upright man, God-fearing and shunning evil."


verse 9:
טוַיַּ֧עַן הַשָּׂטָ֛ן אֶת־יְהֹוָ֖ה וַיֹּאמַ֑ר הַ֣חִנָּ֔ם יָרֵ֥א
אִיּ֖וֹב אֱלֹהִֽים:

in English:
9 And the Adversary answered the Lord and said, "Does Job fear God for nothing?



***I specifically used the Book of Iyov (Job) because it shows a direct discussion between our God and our Enemy. And as you can see from the Hebrew Language, God never called our enemy (Satan) like the KJV Bible would have us to believe.

So, only by mis-translation and lack of understanding the Hebrew Language, would anyone believe our Enemy is called (Satan - Devil - Lucifer).

Therefore, the serpent in the Garden was not named (Devil - Lucifer - Satan), he was always known to us from God as "the Adversary."

 

[Oseas]

I can only assume (after reading your post before choosing which parts to address) that you are not aware that Lucifer is a FAKE NAME. The Book of Isaiah was written in 100% Hebrew/Aramaic some 500 -700 years before the language that brought us the term Lucifer ever existed (that language is Latin Vulgate).

And I can only assume that you are also not aware that the Devil and Satan are also FAKE NAMES given to us by the Greek language.

I will provide actual Torah/Tanakh scripture to prove my point that the words Devil - Lucifer - Satan were never used by the Hebrew people (they called him what God told them which is "the Adversary").

The NAMES Devil - Lucifer - Satan are all words not found in the Hebrew Scriptures.

We only have these NAMES due to inaccurate translation.



The actual Book of Isaiah from the Tanakh: "Yeshayahu - Isaiah - Chapter 14:12"

Yeshayahu 14:12
יבאֵ֛יךְ נָפַ֥לְתָּ מִשָּׁמַ֖יִם הֵילֵ֣ל בֶּן־שָּׁ֑חַר נִגְדַּ֣עְתָּ
לָאָ֔רֶץ חוֹלֵ֖שׁ עַל־גּוֹיִֽם:

in English:
12 How have you fallen from heaven, ((the morning star?)) You have been cut down to earth, You who cast lots on nations.

In the accurate Hebrew version of the Book of Yeshayahu (Isaiah), you will notice the only name mentioned is (morning star) (Yeshua or Jesus obviously is the (Bright and Morning Star)). But no mention of Lucifer anywhere. That is because Yeshayahu (Isaiah) never used or would use a term from the Latin Vulgate Language.

For one and most important, when Yeshayahu (Isaiah) was alive, the Latin Vulgate Language [[did not exist yet]]. So it would be impossible for Yeshayahu (Isaiah) to use a term from a language that did not exist yet!!


From the KJV - the use of the term Satan

Job 1:
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?


From the Hebrew Torah/Tanakh - the use of the Adversary

Iyov (Job) 1: verse 6
ווַיְהִ֣י הַיּ֔וֹם וַיָּבֹ֙אוּ֙ בְּנֵ֣י הָֽאֱלֹהִ֔ים לְהִתְיַצֵּ֖ב
עַל־יְהֹוָ֑ה וַיָּב֥וֹא גַם־הַשָּׂטָ֖ן בְּתוֹכָֽם:

in English:
6 Now the day came about, and the angels of God came to stand beside the Lord, and the Adversary, too, came among them.

verse 7:
זוַיֹּ֧אמֶר יְהֹוָ֛ה אֶל־הַשָּׂטָ֖ן מֵאַ֣יִן תָּבֹ֑א וַיַּ֨עַן
הַשָּׂטָ֚ן אֶת־יְהֹוָה֙ וַיֹּאמַ֔ר מִשּׁ֣וּט בָּאָ֔רֶץ
וּמֵֽהִתְהַלֵּ֖ךְ בָּֽהּ:

in English:
7 The Lord said to the Adversary, "Where are you coming from?" And the Adversary answered the Lord and said, "From going to and fro on the earth and from walking in it."

verse 8:
חוַיֹּ֚אמֶר יְהֹוָה֙ אֶל־הַשָּׂטָ֔ן הֲשַׂ֣מְתָּ לִבְּךָ֘
עַל־עַבְדִּ֣י אִיּוֹב֒ כִּ֣י אֵ֚ין כָּמֹ֙הוּ֙ בָּאָ֔רֶץ אִ֣ישׁ תָּ֧ם
וְיָשָׁ֛ר יְרֵ֥א אֱלֹהִ֖ים וְסָ֥ר מֵרָֽע:

in English:
8 Now the Lord said to the Adversary, "Have you paid attention to My servant Job? For there is none like him on earth, a sincere and upright man, God-fearing and shunning evil."

verse 9:
טוַיַּ֧עַן הַשָּׂטָ֛ן אֶת־יְהֹוָ֖ה וַיֹּאמַ֑ר הַ֣חִנָּ֔ם יָרֵ֥א
אִיּ֖וֹב אֱלֹהִֽים:

in English:
9 And the Adversary answered the Lord and said, "Does Job fear God for nothing?


***I specifically used the Book of Iyov (Job) because it shows a direct discussion between our God and our Enemy. And as you can see from the Hebrew Language, God never called our enemy (Satan) like the KJV Bible would have us to believe.

So, only by mis-translation and lack of understanding the Hebrew Language, would anyone believe our Enemy is called (Satan - Devil - Lucifer).

Therefore, the serpent in the Garden was not named (Devil - Lucifer - Satan), he was always known to us from God as "the Adversary."

Hi obedient
Greetings
Reading your reply, I see I was misunderstood, maybe because English is not my native language.

amberlynlover7 did write: "I have a theory that both Lucifer and the Serpent aren't the same person".

In my reply to amberlynlover7, I said: (again) Well, be called Lucifer or Serpent, or yet Devil and Satan, all these names carry us to one, to the Cherub that ruled the Garden of Eden. Who was this Cherub? I quoted several portions of the Old Testament speaking about him to be studied.

In the other hand, I meant not that these are names, absolutely. You call "FAKE NAMES", so in this case you are saying they are NAMES, but fake, right? And I ask: Fake names or nicknames? By the way, Adversary is not a name too.

Again I repeat and adding more something:
Well, be as you and all want, to be called Lucifer, or Satan, or Devil, or Serpent, or Adversary, or Wicked, all these pseudo names, or fake names, or nicknames, carry us to one, to the Cherub, the MAN that ruled the Garden of Eden. By the way, he is the father of all generations, EXCEPT YESHUA - JESUS in English, and Portuguese language, among others. The Jews said to JESUS: (John 8:41-42&44CJB-Complete Jewish Bible)
41 “We have only one Father — God!”
42 Yeshua replied to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me; because I came out from God; and now I have arrived here. I did not come on my own; he sent me.
44 You belong to your father, SATAN, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. From the start he was a murderer, and he has never stood by the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he is speaking in character; because he is a liar — indeed, the inventor of the lie!

The speech of JESUS to the Jews explains the why He said to Nicodemus: "Ye must be born again". (John 3:v.6)

But I must say, taking advantage of this opportunity, that the former cherub, the MAN of sin, and son of perdition, has a real name, which will be revealed in this seventh and last millennium or seventh and last Day and time of the Apocalypse, then the former Cherub will be known no more by nicknames or fake names , but by his real name.

Be prepared because the MAN of sin and son of perdition, the former Cherub, was born was born a few decades ago. He has a real name, he has a nationality, he is already among the people, he is hidden, hidden for now.

 

[garee]

I have questions are the Satan and Lucifer the same person or thet are different person?

Same spirit of lies that remains without form. He was and remains the father of all lies from the beginning questioning the revealed will of prophecy .You shalt die..

 

[Adstar]

Ok we know that everything in the bible isn't in the act order especially the days.
Before Heaven and Earth were made. We know that before everything was made there were darkness according to the 1 days. The Earth didn't have any form. However in revelations there were war in Heaven between the Angel and the Dragon.
It said that the Dragon was the deceiver of the world and it called Satan. He was thrown down the earth with his angel.

According to revelations the ancient dragons is a serpent. According to Genesis the serpent is know to be crafted among the beast that God has created.

Satan can disguise himself as the angel of light.

Also Angel who has sin were thrown down to hell. Angel who didn't hold in their position were thrown down in the bottom of pits. They were to be held in chain until judgement day.

Also Lucifer is know to be cherubs who was part of Garden of Eden. Lucifer name mean moring star. Lucifer wanted to ascend the star.

I have a theory that both Lucifer and the Serpent aren't the same person. Because how was Lucifer able to change himself and become a devils. If Lucifer was know to be holy and cherubs. While the serpent who is know to be ancient dragons, a demon and a satan is able disguise himself as an angel. They are both different species or creation that were made by God.

We don't know much about Lucifer.

Also the serpent had his own angel and was able to disguise himself as angel. Also the serpent is able go before God according to Job story.


Satan also is known to be the ruler of the world and a God.
According to the the story when Satan is tempting Jesus. He said if u bow down and worship me I will give you everything in this world. Satan happens to be the dark prince.

Satan and the dragon are clearly identified as being the same being..

Revelation 12: KJV
9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

 

[Deade]

The NAMES Devil - Lucifer - Satan are all words not found in the Hebrew Scriptures.

We only have these NAMES due to inaccurate translation.

What are you a holy names Christian? You insistence that we not call Satan other names and that passages about the fallen Cherub are not about Satan is confusing. People come in here looking for answers and you go off on a tangent about something that has no real advantage for our spiritual walk. So what if people call Satan Lucifer, a name does not change anything. If you want to be helpful tell them how the enemy attacks them.

 

[obedienttogod]

What are you a holy names Christian? You insistence that we not call Satan other names and that passages about the fallen Cherub are not about Satan is confusing. People come in here looking for answers and you go off on a tangent about something that has no real advantage for our spiritual walk. So what if people call Satan Lucifer, a name does not change anything. If you want to be helpful tell them how the enemy attacks them.

I never claimed the ENEMY (Adversary) was not a cherub, or anything else others have applied to him scripturally.

Now, what does it matter what we call the Adversary?

None of it matters unless you are properly addressing the enemy. Of course, the Adversary understands about translations and mis-translations. He twists scripture for his purpose all of the time. But Yeshua instructed us that we can come in HIS NAME and cast out the enemy, bind the enemy, tell the enemy to get thee behind us. My point is, since we have access to understand the ORIGINAL LANGUAGE and since we know Yeshua gave us this power over the enemy in HIS NAME in the ORIGINAL LANGUAGE, we should USE THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE that these commands were first given in.

Why?

Because obviously, in the ORIGINAL LANGUAGE these commands were given, means these commands WORK!!

And I am about what ACTUALLY WORKS, not about what we think might work due to translation.

 

[Deade]

I never claimed the ENEMY (Adversary) was not a cherub, or anything else others have applied to him scripturally.

Now, what does it matter what we call the Adversary?

None of it matters unless you are properly addressing the enemy. Of course, the Adversary understands about translations and mis-translations. He twists scripture for his purpose all of the time. But Yeshua instructed us that we can come in HIS NAME and cast out the enemy, bind the enemy, tell the enemy to get thee behind us. My point is, since we have access to understand the ORIGINAL LANGUAGE and since we know Yeshua gave us this power over the enemy in HIS NAME in the ORIGINAL LANGUAGE, we should USE THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE that these commands were first given in.

Why?

Because obviously, in the ORIGINAL LANGUAGE these commands were given, means these commands WORK!!

And I am about what ACTUALLY WORKS, not about what we think might work due to translation.

Jesus used the name Satan, so I figure that is safe and has worked for me.

 

[obedienttogod]

Jesus used the name Satan, so I figure that is safe and has worked for me.

Yes, that is what most New Testament's state (Satan).

Now look at this closely:

Strong's Greek: 4567. Σατανᾶς (Satanas) -- the adversary ...
https://biblehub.com/greek/4567.htm
Word Origin of Hebrew origin satan Definition the adversary, Satan, i.e. the devil NASB Translation Satan (35), Satan's (1).

If you research, yes, the word Satan means the Adversary in GREEK. But, we should also ask ourselves 2 questions. When Yeshua instructed His Disciples about casting-binding-commanding the enemy, do we believe Yeshua spoke to them in Greek or in Aramaic, which is a form of the ORIGINAL HEBREW?

I do not believe Yeshua spoke to His Disciples (Jews who spoke Aramaic like Yeshua did) in the Greek on personal matters like this. I believe Yeshua spoke to His Disciples in the Aramaic/Hebrew Language.

Therefore, the GREEK word Satan (means the Adversary in GREEK)...was a translated add in. Basically what I am saying is Yeshua used the term ADVERSARY, but the Greek translated Adversary into Satan.

So, that means Yeshua DID NOT ACTUALLY SAY SATAN, He actually said, "Adversary," as the Hebrew/Jews have ALWAYS known the enemy to be. Then Yeshua's words were later translated into Greek and we have (Satan).



Going back to my post before this one...I go to the ORIGINAL LANGUAGE, because I know it WORKS 100%

 

[Deade]

Yes, that is what most New Testament's state (Satan).

Now look at this closely:

Strong's Greek: 4567. Σατανᾶς (Satanas) -- the adversary ...
https://biblehub.com/greek/4567.htm
Word Origin of Hebrew origin satan Definition the adversary, Satan, i.e. the devil NASB Translation Satan (35), Satan's (1).

If you research, yes, the word Satan means the Adversary in GREEK. But, we should also ask ourselves 2 questions. When Yeshua instructed His Disciples about casting-binding-commanding the enemy, do we believe Yeshua spoke to them in Greek or in Aramaic, which is a form of the ORIGINAL HEBREW?

I do not believe Yeshua spoke to His Disciples (Jews who spoke Aramaic like Yeshua did) in the Greek on personal matters like this. I believe Yeshua spoke to His Disciples in the Aramaic/Hebrew Language.

Therefore, the GREEK word Satan (means the Adversary in GREEK)...was a translated add in. Basically what I am saying is Yeshua used the term ADVERSARY, but the Greek translated Adversary into Satan.

So, that means Yeshua DID NOT ACTUALLY SAY SATAN, He actually said, "Adversary," as the Hebrew/Jews have ALWAYS known the enemy to be. Then Yeshua's words were later translated into Greek and we have (Satan).



Going back to my post before this one...I go to the ORIGINAL LANGUAGE, because I know it WORKS 100%

Like you said the importance lies in the meaning of the name. We use Satan knowing it means adversary. Just like the name of Jesus was probably never uttered back then.

 

[obedienttogod]

Yes, that is what most New Testament's state (Satan).

Now look at this closely:

Strong's Greek: 4567. Σατανᾶς (Satanas) -- the adversary ...
https://biblehub.com/greek/4567.htm
Word Origin of Hebrew origin satan Definition the adversary, Satan, i.e. the devil NASB Translation Satan (35), Satan's (1).

If you research, yes, the word Satan means the Adversary in GREEK. But, we should also ask ourselves 2 questions. When Yeshua instructed His Disciples about casting-binding-commanding the enemy, do we believe Yeshua spoke to them in Greek or in Aramaic, which is a form of the ORIGINAL HEBREW?

I do not believe Yeshua spoke to His Disciples (Jews who spoke Aramaic like Yeshua did) in the Greek on personal matters like this. I believe Yeshua spoke to His Disciples in the Aramaic/Hebrew Language.

Therefore, the GREEK word Satan (means the Adversary in GREEK)...was a translated add in. Basically what I am saying is Yeshua used the term ADVERSARY, but the Greek translated Adversary into Satan.

So, that means Yeshua DID NOT ACTUALLY SAY SATAN, He actually said, "Adversary," as the Hebrew/Jews have ALWAYS known the enemy to be. Then Yeshua's words were later translated into Greek and we have (Satan).



Going back to my post before this one...I go to the ORIGINAL LANGUAGE, because I know it WORKS 100%

2 examples:



We read Yeshua claiming that He saw (Satan) fall like lightning (when he was booted out of heaven to earth).
And we have Yeshua telling Peter to get behind Me (Satan).

We know on both occasions Yeshua was speaking to JEWS. Logically, that would mean Yeshua spoke to them in THEIR NATIVE LANGUAGE (Aramaic/Hebrew).

So in reality, Yeshua actually stated He saw the ADVERSARY fall like lightning...and...He told Kefa (Peter) to "Get behind Me Adversary!!"


This is also another proof we know from the Torah/Tanakh (Old Testament), God in both the Old Testament and New Testament used the word ADVERSARY to describe and call our spiritual enemy!!

 

[obedienttogod]

Like you said the importance lies in the meaning of the name. We use Satan knowing it means adversary. Just like the name of Jesus was probably never uttered back then.

Aye, Yeshua is a MORE IMPORTANT NAME than JESUS!!

why?

Because Yeshua means in ORIGINAL LANGUAGE = Yahweh's Salvation. (Jesus) does not mean that.

So, using Yeshua to cast - bind -command is using Yahweh

In using Jesus, we do not get this!!

So, this is another important reason to use ORIGINAL LANGUAGE.



Bottom line, If I am rebuking the Adversary, using the NAME (Yeshua) is using the NAME Yahweh.

The Adversary definitely knows WHO YAHWEH is, and he can say Jesus does not mean Yahweh, so kiss his butt!!


This is why I stress the importance of using Original Language!!

 

[obedienttogod]

Yahweh = the Father


This is what gives the NAME Yeshua more power than using the name Jesus!!


Technically, Jesus means ZEUS.


So, do we cast the enemy out in the NAME of Yahweh, or the name Zeus?

To me, this is rather OBVIOUS!!

 

[Deade]

The main thing when confronting the adversary is having the real Holy Spirit in you. Without that the name won't matter. With that what name you use will accomplish the task as long as you know the meaning.

 

[obedienttogod]

The main thing when confronting the adversary is having the real Holy Spirit in you. Without that the name won't matter. With that what name you use will accomplish the task as long as you know the meaning.

AMEN!!

We know Job had a hedge around him protecting him from the Adversary in the Book of Job.

The Holy Spirit within us provides that same hedge protection around us as believers. The Adversary cannot harm us unless Yahweh gives him permission to.

My point in what I am making is I have seen it take many people for hours trying to cast demonic spirits out using the name of Jesus.
And then, I have seen people freed from the Adversary IMMEDIATELY when using the CORRECT LANGUAGE (Yeshua) for the truest defining meaning.

 

[Oseas]

The main thing when confronting the adversary is having the real Holy Spirit in you. Without that the name won't matter. With that what name you use will accomplish the task as long as you know the meaning.

Yes, perfect. You are 100% correct. Scriptures confirm what you said by the Holy Spirit.

Acts 19:v.13-17 KJV

13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.

14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.

15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

17 And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.



Acts 19:13-17CJB - Complete Jewish Bible

13 Then some of the Jewish exorcists who traveled from place to place tried to make use of the name of the Lord Yeshua in connection with people who had evil spirits. They would say, “I exorcise you by the Yeshua that Sha’ul is proclaiming!” 14 One time, seven sons of a Jewish cohen gadol named Skeva were doing this; 15 and the evil spirit answered them. It said, “Yeshua I know. And Sha’ul I recognize. But you? Who are you?” 16 Then the man with the evil spirit fell upon them, overpowered them and gave them such a beating that they ran from the house, naked and bleeding.

17 When all this became known to the residents of Ephesus, fear fell on all of them, Jews and Greeks alike; and the name of the Lord Yeshua came to be held in high regard.