Retire the Ten Commandments?
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The old way of the written code has given way to the new way of the Spirit.
Before the coming of this faith... until Christ came... now that this faith has come...
Are you claiming God did not make these changes?
Romans 7:6
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
Galatians 3:23-25
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
The old way of the written code has given way to the new way of the Spirit.
Before the coming of this faith... until Christ came... now that this faith has come...
Are you claiming God did not make these changes?
Romans 7:6
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
Galatians 3:23-25
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
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I struggled, too, with this. It seemed that scripture wasn't true to itself but contradicted, I felt threatened for God as truth is a basic part of living. But what I found as truth differs from what you found!
The fact that works will not save has no effect on the law,itself. What we are to learn from that is that we are human not God as Lucifer tried to make himself. We need Christ. God is holy, and we are unable to create that in ourselves, only God can.
David gave us the characteristics of the law in the 119th Psalm, and all of it is truth. That knowing the law and how we fall short is an additional truth, but does not affect the other truths of the law.
Paul was a Pharisee who had used the oral traditions (often called the law of Moses) even to kill others. When Paul met Christ he got the full impact of how wrong it was and he was on a soap box against such. He understood, now, how it was possible to obey that "law" and disobey God's law and much of what he wrote was teaching how wrong that is. But always, in conclusions of his teachings, Paul explained how right God's law is.
When you said "the law is descriptive of a saved believer who is indwelled by the Holy Spirit of God" I think it is an inspired statement.
Because through the new covenant we have the Holy Spirit within us to guide us instead of the rituals that guided before I feel sure that has not changed the eternal laws of God. Those laws always could be read legalistically without the spirit of the Lord so they weren't correct. That has never changed. The laws reflect the love that is God, and that is the spirit of the law that is the true law that is and was eternal.
The fact that works will not save has no effect on the law,itself. What we are to learn from that is that we are human not God as Lucifer tried to make himself. We need Christ. God is holy, and we are unable to create that in ourselves, only God can.
David gave us the characteristics of the law in the 119th Psalm, and all of it is truth. That knowing the law and how we fall short is an additional truth, but does not affect the other truths of the law.
Paul was a Pharisee who had used the oral traditions (often called the law of Moses) even to kill others. When Paul met Christ he got the full impact of how wrong it was and he was on a soap box against such. He understood, now, how it was possible to obey that "law" and disobey God's law and much of what he wrote was teaching how wrong that is. But always, in conclusions of his teachings, Paul explained how right God's law is.
When you said "the law is descriptive of a saved believer who is indwelled by the Holy Spirit of God" I think it is an inspired statement.
Because through the new covenant we have the Holy Spirit within us to guide us instead of the rituals that guided before I feel sure that has not changed the eternal laws of God. Those laws always could be read legalistically without the spirit of the Lord so they weren't correct. That has never changed. The laws reflect the love that is God, and that is the spirit of the law that is the true law that is and was eternal.
When is it that God was not of love, God was not a spirit, God was not eternal but one way at one time and another way at another?
In all my studies, God is always God not some other entity. Could you give any scripture at all telling us that God justified anyone based on his work for Him? Lucifer decided to do that saying he was as good as God.
Why study scripture if what God tells of Himself is different from time to time? If you find scripture that tells you so, do put it down proving God can't be trusted. Imagine a world with a God who is false!!
You are getting Paul's teaching against the traditions the rabbis thought up as scripture interpretations with God. You are getting legalism mixed up with the spirit of the law. There is no scripture that Paul gave that did not come to the conclusion that God's eternal laws were good and to be obeyed. Paul would write "what should we say then" and "God forbid". Read the entire letter complete with the conclusions Paul comes to, not just the beginnings.
In all my studies, God is always God not some other entity. Could you give any scripture at all telling us that God justified anyone based on his work for Him? Lucifer decided to do that saying he was as good as God.
Why study scripture if what God tells of Himself is different from time to time? If you find scripture that tells you so, do put it down proving God can't be trusted. Imagine a world with a God who is false!!
You are getting Paul's teaching against the traditions the rabbis thought up as scripture interpretations with God. You are getting legalism mixed up with the spirit of the law. There is no scripture that Paul gave that did not come to the conclusion that God's eternal laws were good and to be obeyed. Paul would write "what should we say then" and "God forbid". Read the entire letter complete with the conclusions Paul comes to, not just the beginnings.
If you say they are not, please back it up with scripture. The rainbow tells us of no floods. The covenant at Mt Sinai gives results of the law for us. The new covenant gives news of the Holy Spirit for all, telling us of God's communication with us. A salt covenant is one where an agreement always stays the same. They are all ways God communicates and acts out in our life.
In your mind perhaps I am making a "mishmash" but I don't think God cancelled anything with the new covenant. God is simply stating that somethings are of no use any longer. The words null and void, and the word obsolete is not the same as the word cancellation. So what is it that God gave us that simply doesn't work any longer and is of no use to us any longer? There is still a rainbow. God's laws are eternal according to scripture. One scripture cannot cancel out another scripture, if it does then we can't rely on scripture. By inserting the word cancel to replace the words obsolete and null and void you are making all scripture suspect. We are told not to do that.
I spent a lifetime, until retirement, in the NT only, the old was a mystery to me. I found someone who spent eight years in the Far East studying and then wrote a momentary of the OT, he had studied with scholars who worked with the dead sea scrolls as well as others. By studying with him putting scripture and ancient history together I found that I had been misled by my church over and over. There are set holy ways of God and it is consistent throughout scripture. There is no change whatsoever in any of God's ways throughout scripture. What Christ told us when Christ commented on the law is how the law always was. Faithful Jews work hard at following God, but it isn't for salvation they work, it is in appreciation to God. There was grace at creation, only Lucifer decided his work was as good as the Lord. You can study the Torah and never touch the NT and you would have a NT understanding, except you wouldn't know why blood was necessary for salvation, you wouldn't know you were a temple, and you wouldn't understand the wonders of what a high priest could be as you only had a pale copy.
You are misunderstanding the whole matter. So just ask yourself a few hard questions.
1. Is there are legitimate tabernacle or temple on earth?
2. Is there any active Levitical priesthood fulfilling its duties?
3. Are there any sacrifices and offerings according to the Torah anywhere?
Why is that? And if that does not mean that God has canceled them in the light of the Cross, what does it mean? And does the New Testament tell us that those things are null and void because of Christ?
1. Is there are legitimate tabernacle or temple on earth?
2. Is there any active Levitical priesthood fulfilling its duties?
3. Are there any sacrifices and offerings according to the Torah anywhere?
Why is that? And if that does not mean that God has canceled them in the light of the Cross, what does it mean? And does the New Testament tell us that those things are null and void because of Christ?
1. Yes, we are the temple. 2. Yes, the very same office of high priest has been fulfilled by Christ. 3. Yes, Christ is our sacrificial lamb. It is all the very same by the same God with the same principles.
Animal blood is null and void. Levi's are not our high priest the Levi's as high priest is null and void. Everything is according to the Torah, the Torah gives everlasting ways of the Lord. Christ's blood is everlasting, the blood of animals symbolizing Christ is null and void.
Animal blood is null and void. Levi's are not our high priest the Levi's as high priest is null and void. Everything is according to the Torah, the Torah gives everlasting ways of the Lord. Christ's blood is everlasting, the blood of animals symbolizing Christ is null and void.
Stop beating around the bush and back-pedaling.
You made the claim that covenants are THE way God communicates with us.
Are you ready to revise that claim or not? God has replaced the old covenant.
Thus indicating a change. Agree or disagree?
John 10:27
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
You made the claim that covenants are THE way God communicates with us.
Are you ready to revise that claim or not? God has replaced the old covenant.
Thus indicating a change. Agree or disagree?
John 10:27
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.