Jesus is not coming back. He already did in 70 A.D.

[CS1]

Do you think mark is a typo?

I’ve read that the roman solders burnt the temple to the ground.

"Soldiers" burnt it down? We know from History Christian were blamed for the burning of Rome. and the temple which Jesus was speaking about was destroyed in 70AD. Josephus recorded the events. that being said the temple was destroyed as Jesus Foretold.

 

[KnowMe]

"Soldiers" burnt it down? We know from History Christian were blamed for the burning of Rome. and the temple which Jesus was speaking about was destroyed in 70AD. Josephus recorded the events. that being said the temple was destroyed as Jesus Foretold.

so there must of been other buildings around it, and maybe since it was built with hewn stone.

 

[tanakh]

The prophecies of Daniel are unquestionably futurist and post 70AD.
These of course are the prophecies Christ is specifically referring to.....

I saw in the night visions and behold one
like the Son of Man came with the clouds of
heaven and came to the Ancient of days and
they brought him near before him. And there
was given him dominion and glory and a kingdom
that all people nations and languages should serve
him his dominion is an everlasting dominion which
shall not pass away and his kingdom that which
shall not be destroyed

Daniel 7:13-14

And when he had spoken these things
while they beheld he was taken up
and a cloud received him out of their
sight

Acts 1:9

Christs ascension happened well before AD70.

This vision was of Christ going to heaven not coming to Earth
as many misread it

I adjure thee by the living God that thou
tell us whether thou be the Christ the Son
of God. Jesus saith unto him Thou hast said
nevertheless I say unto you Hereafter shall
you see the Son of sitting on the right hand
of power and coming in the clouds of Heaven

Matthew 27:63-64

My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom
were of this world then would my servants fight
that I would not be delivered to the Jews but now
is my kingdom not from hence.

John 18:36

The seeds of Christs kingdom came with his first coming
That kingdom is spiritual and has been growing here ever
since. Christ reigns from heaven that is why he could tell Caiphas
that he would see him coming in clouds. Clouds represent Gods
judgement in this context. Judgement came to Jerusalem in AD70
within the generation living at the time of Christ. He is yet to come
again at the last day.

 

[p_rehbein]

10 X's so far...........that pretty much sums up this Thread I suspect............

Well, the OP anyhoo

 

[SIMON55]

To Simon55

To start Daniel 7 has no mention of 1260 years or days. I read the chapter through from a copy of Youngs Literal translation.
Both Numbers and Ezekiel says that God counted days as years in those specific incidents but to apply it as a hard and fast rule
as you seem to do makes some fantastic reading. Was Jesus in the wilderness for Forty Years being tempted? Did he stay in the tomb for three years? Did it take God six years to create Heaven and Earth?

The belief that John wrote Revelation originated from a statement by Irenaeus who knew Justin Martyr believed to be Johns Disciple.
all other statements come from people who took his statement as factual based on this relationship. The whole argument is still open to debate.

The whore is dressed as a Jewish High Priest right down to the the writing on her forehead. The High Priest wore a plate on his forehead which said Holy Unto the Lord. The Whore is a Parody and represents apostate Israel who is called a whore by the Prophets

I dont have the time or inclination to deal with every point you bring up but I will say that I am not a Full Preterist which you seem to
assume I am. I would also suggest you read Matthew 23

 

[SIMON55]

You maintained that a day for a year is fantastic prophetically and not a hard and fast rule and yet Christ himself adhered to it when referencing future time.😀

Jerusalem

 

[PennEd]

I saw in the night visions and behold one
like the Son of Man came with the clouds of
heaven and came to the Ancient of days and
they brought him near before him. And there
was given him dominion and glory and a kingdom
that all people nations and languages should serve
him his dominion is an everlasting dominion which
shall not pass away and his kingdom that which
shall not be destroyed

Daniel 7:13-14

And when he had spoken these things
while they beheld he was taken up
and a cloud received him out of their
sight

Acts 1:9

Christs ascension happened well before AD70.

This vision was of Christ going to heaven not coming to Earth
as many misread it

I adjure thee by the living God that thou
tell us whether thou be the Christ the Son
of God. Jesus saith unto him Thou hast said
nevertheless I say unto you Hereafter shall
you see the Son of sitting on the right hand
of power and coming in the clouds of Heaven

Matthew 27:63-64

My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom
were of this world then would my servants fight
that I would not be delivered to the Jews but now
is my kingdom not from hence.

John 18:36

The seeds of Christs kingdom came with his first coming
That kingdom is spiritual and has been growing here ever
since. Christ reigns from heaven that is why he could tell Caiphas
that he would see him coming in clouds. Clouds represent Gods
judgement in this context. Judgement came to Jerusalem in AD70
within the generation living at the time of Christ. He is yet to come
again at the last day.

How is coming the same as going?

 

[SIMON55]

To Simon55

To start Daniel 7 has no mention of 1260 years or days. I read the chapter through from a copy of Youngs Literal translation.
Both Numbers and Ezekiel says that God counted days as years in those specific incidents but to apply it as a hard and fast rule
as you seem to do makes some fantastic reading. Was Jesus in the wilderness for Forty Years being tempted? Did he stay in the tomb for three years? Did it take God six years to create Heaven and Earth?

The belief that John wrote Revelation originated from a statement by Irenaeus who knew Justin Martyr believed to be Johns Disciple.
all other statements come from people who took his statement as factual based on this relationship. The whole argument is still open to debate.

The whore is dressed as a Jewish High Priest right down to the the writing on her forehead. The High Priest wore a plate on his forehead which said Holy Unto the Lord. The Whore is a Parody and represents apostate Israel who is called a whore by the Prophets

I dont have the time or inclination to deal with every point you bring up but I will say that I am not a Full Preterist which you seem to
assume I am. I would also suggest you read Matthew 23

You maintain that a day for a year is prophetically fantastic and yet even Christ adhered to it when referencing a future spanse of time.

 

[cv5]

I saw in the night visions and behold one
like the Son of Man came with the clouds of
heaven and came to the Ancient of days and
they brought him near before him. And there
was given him dominion and glory and a kingdom
that all people nations and languages should serve
him his dominion is an everlasting dominion which
shall not pass away and his kingdom that which
shall not be destroyed

Daniel 7:13-14

And when he had spoken these things
while they beheld he was taken up
and a cloud received him out of their
sight

Acts 1:9

Christs ascension happened well before AD70.

This vision was of Christ going to heaven not coming to Earth
as many misread it

I adjure thee by the living God that thou
tell us whether thou be the Christ the Son
of God. Jesus saith unto him Thou hast said
nevertheless I say unto you Hereafter shall
you see the Son of sitting on the right hand
of power and coming in the clouds of Heaven

Matthew 27:63-64

My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom
were of this world then would my servants fight
that I would not be delivered to the Jews but now
is my kingdom not from hence.

John 18:36

The seeds of Christs kingdom came with his first coming
That kingdom is spiritual and has been growing here ever
since. Christ reigns from heaven that is why he could tell Caiphas
that he would see him coming in clouds. Clouds represent Gods
judgement in this context. Judgement came to Jerusalem in AD70
within the generation living at the time of Christ. He is yet to come
again at the last day.

I think you missed the point. The 69 weeks is the absolutely known date (173,880 days per Sir Robert Anderson pls read). This point in time (the Crucifixion) has passed. The 70th week is yet future.

 

[cv5]

I think you missed the point. The 69 weeks is the absolutely known date (173,880 days per Sir Robert Anderson pls read). This point in time (the Crucifixion) has passed. The 70th week is yet future.

Oooopps sorry I made a mistake. Not thinking. The 69th week 173,880 days from 444/445BC is the exact day of the Triumphal Entry. NOT the Crucifixion. My bad.

 

[CS1]

so there must of been other buildings around it, and maybe since it was built with hewn stone.

and is there a point in this ?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

cv5 said:
I think you missed the point. The 69 weeks is the absolutely known date (173,880 days per Sir Robert Anderson pls read). This point in time (the Crucifixion) has passed. The 70th week is yet future.

Oooopps sorry I made a mistake. Not thinking. The 69th week 173,880 days from 444/445BC is the exact day of the Triumphal Entry. NOT the Crucifixion. My bad.

Right. And that was the very day that:

--Jesus spoke the words of Luke 19:41-44 ("he beheld the city, and wept over it, Saying, 'If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. [...]"); and

--Jesus did the action of Zechariah 9:9 ("thy King cometh unto thee" [unto Jerusalem / the city (see Dan9:24-"Seventy Weeks are determined upon thy [Daniel's] people, and upon thy [Daniel's] holy city...")]); and

--thus also fulfilling Exodus 12:2,3,5,6 ("In the tenth day of this month" ["the first month of the year to you"], "ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.") This fulfills the "be cut off" ("and after 62 Week shall he be cut off, but not for himself [or, and have nothing]" Dan9:26)


The next thing in the SEQUENCE was not the 70th Week, but the "shall destroy the city and the sanctuary" (also Dan9:26; i.e. the 70ad events).


And we know from the preceding lessons ( ) that the 70ad events must take place "BEFORE all these [BEFORE all of the BEGINNING of birth PANGS (PLURAL; Matt24:4-8/Mk13:5-8/Lk21:8-11; again see that in verse 12 "BUT BEFORE ALL THESE" [BEFORE all these BEGINNING of birth PANGS])];

...and we can therefore see what the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" consists of: Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE'" at the START of the beginning of birth pangS [meaning, at the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:2-3]"]; which "A CERTAIN ONE [G5100]" is then parallel to:

--Daniel 9:26-27's "prince that SHALL COME" / who will do the "FOR ONE WEEK [7-yrs]" thing (here, its BEGINNING, its MIDDLE, its END: Dan9:27); and

--parallel to the "whose COMING/advent/arrival/presence/parousia" 2Th2:9a of "the man of sin" and recall from verse 6, that is, "IN HIS TIME" (the "IN THE NIGHT" portion of "the Day of the Lord [TIME PERIOD]"--see also 1Th5:2-3 [its ARRIVAL] / Dan7:7 [its 'government' so to speak] / Dan7:8 [its 'person of interest' so to speak (also vv.20-21)] / Gen46:2 [its 'focus' or 'aim'] / and see also "the time of JACOB'S trouble" / as well as Hosea 5:15's "in their affliction, they [Israel] will seek me early/earnestly"); 2Th2 also covering the man of sin and his BEGINNING (v.9a), his MIDDLE (v.4), and his END (v.8b); and

--parallel with SEAL #1 (the rider of the white horse, with a bow [very often representing 'deception'], at the START of the 7-yrs, the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period that Revelation 1:1 speaks of, regarding the "FUTURE ASPECTS" of that Book [see also 4:1 compared with 1:1; and 7:3 compared with 1:1]); and

--parallel with the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" of Lk18:8 [chpt 17-end]: "avenge IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]," AND Romans 16:20 (<--this one, regarding [to/for/about] "the Church which is His body"; see also 1Cor6:3[14]--one of the PURPOSES of our Rapture)



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[TheDivineWatermark]

^ this SEQUENCE I am pointing out ^ , is also reflected in the Matthew 22:7-8 verses, with verse 7 speaking of the 70ad events, and verse 8 then speaking of the "THEN SAITH HE to his servants" (that necessarily takes place AFTER the 70ad events; and which I believe correlates with [the LATER 95ad] Revelation 1:1's wording "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which GOD GAVE UNTO HIM [Jesus], TO SHEW UNTO His servants things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]…" [not things which will unfold over the course of some 2000 years], and which 'future things' [comp.1:1 to 4:1] lead up to His Second coming to the earth FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom, i.e. chpts 6-19, the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" future, specific/limited time period leading up to the earthly MK age which will commence upon His "RETURN" to the earth, Rev19)

 

[Ahwatukee]

BTW 70 weeks of years added to 444BC (Neh ch 2) does NOT equal 70AD.

Another obvious preterist fail.....

They must be using that new math

 

[KnowMe]

and is there a point in this ?

probably not, forget it

 

[Nehemiah6]

The 69th week 173,880 days from 444/445BC is the exact day of the Triumphal Entry. NOT the Crucifixion. My bad.

But Daniel's prophecy has nothing to say about the Triumphal Entry. "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself" can mean nothing other than the crucifixion.

Sixty two weeks (three score and two weeks) = 62 x 7 = 434 years when counting from the restoration of Jerusalem under Ezra-Nehemiah. But it took 49 years from the decree of Cyrus to the restoration. So 434 + 49 = 483. And 490 - 483 = 7.

 

[cv5]

But Daniel's prophecy has nothing to say about the Triumphal Entry. "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself" can mean nothing other than the crucifixion.

Sixty two weeks (three score and two weeks) = 62 x 7 = 434 years when counting from the restoration of Jerusalem under Ezra-Nehemiah. But it took 49 years from the decree of Cyrus to the restoration. So 434 + 49 = 483. And 490 - 483 = 7.

Incorrect. The correct decree was Artaxerxes of 444/445 BC (rebuild the wall). This rebuilding effort took 7 weeks of years. Then after another 62 weeks of year (69 total) the Messiah presents Himself. Days later He is crucified, temple is destroyed, times of the Gentiles etc all of this is part of the gap until the 70th week is starts.....the exact date of which is unknown.

 

[justpassinthrough]

According to the Bible, Jesus' second coming was in 70 A.D. Here is a few Scriptures in support of this:

Matt 16: 27-28, "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

Matt 24: 30-31, "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. " This is the Olivet Discourse and in verse 34 it says "ALL these things will come upon this generation" Not some things but ALL these signs will come upon this generation.

Matt 10: 23, "17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you. “Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. 23 For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

I have many more Scriptures I can provide if anyone is interested in discussing this. God bless.

Total Heresy!!!

 

[Absolutely]

Of course it's happened - we know from Jesus' words that it would happen when Jerusalem was compassed with armies - when we compare Luke's and Matthew's account we see that they are told to flee in both cases placing the events in the same time period of the 1st century AD:

Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Luke 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains;

We know that Jerusalem was compassed with armies in its destruction in the war of 66-70 AD - there is only one time associated with the warning to flee to the mountains.

Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

You sir are in complete denial of what the scripture states would and did happen.

Ain't no flees on me View attachment 194931

Show us the bowl judgements and the others with the 4 horsemen,as well as the mark and millions beheaded.
Oh and i would love to see the rapture explained in rev 14,as well as 144k in heaven as well as the 144k being sealed and the ONLY ONES protected from the flying scorpions.

The ONLY ones.
Surely you have solid proof since historians would have mentioned how the earth and seas were destroyed,as well as millions of Jews and non Jews died.

 

[Absolutely]

I saw in the night visions and behold one
like the Son of Man came with the clouds of
heaven and came to the Ancient of days and
they brought him near before him. And there
was given him dominion and glory and a kingdom
that all people nations and languages should serve
him his dominion is an everlasting dominion which
shall not pass away and his kingdom that which
shall not be destroyed

Daniel 7:13-14

And when he had spoken these things
while they beheld he was taken up
and a cloud received him out of their
sight

Acts 1:9

Christs ascension happened well before AD70.

This vision was of Christ going to heaven not coming to Earth
as many misread it

I adjure thee by the living God that thou
tell us whether thou be the Christ the Son
of God. Jesus saith unto him Thou hast said
nevertheless I say unto you Hereafter shall
you see the Son of sitting on the right hand
of power and coming in the clouds of Heaven

Matthew 27:63-64

My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom
were of this world then would my servants fight
that I would not be delivered to the Jews but now
is my kingdom not from hence.

John 18:36

The seeds of Christs kingdom came with his first coming
That kingdom is spiritual and has been growing here ever
since. Christ reigns from heaven that is why he could tell Caiphas
that he would see him coming in clouds. Clouds represent Gods
judgement in this context. Judgement came to Jerusalem in AD70
within the generation living at the time of Christ. He is yet to come
again at the last day.

Rev 14 has Jesus coming in the clouds DURING THE GT.

Nice try though.
Preterism is completely undone.
Zero traction.

Its kinda like debating if Adam and eve really did die as God declared,since apparently God mispoke when he said they would the day they ate forbidden fruit.
(We know they populated the planet AFTER they ate it).

IOW,any explaining on our part must at least be plausable,and survive a test fit.

.......so why not AT LEAST test fit preterism ???