Some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God

[KnowMe]

Or split in half.

John 12:29
The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.

God can reveal things in the physical that no one else can see but one person if God chooses too.

this was in the physical not a vision in the spirit or thinking they had but it happened for real.

 

[Lanolin]

Yea I thought the OP has explained it how I would read it too. It makes sense. Note Jesus says some standing here and he was talking to the disciples. And he was referring to them and he didnt say at that time 'this generation' either. He said 'this generation' when he was referring to the temple buildings and everything being fulfilled.

The other preterist interpretation doesnt make much sense and it seems they swap things around to fit in with their idea of Jesus already having returned. When Jesus was transfigured, God told him he was his beloved son. And moses and elias appeared like angels? He was glorified.


As for tasting of death, did Jesus mean THEM dying, or HIS dying as he did say to them tell the vision to no man until the son of Man be risen from the dead. Meaning they got a preview of the kingdom before Jesus got crucified and raised . And it was some of them standing there -peter, james and John of the twelve.

Maybe look into the 'tasting of death' because Im sure elesewhere in the Bible it talks of Jesus 'tasting death for every man'

 

[Noose]

Do you think God could do that for real in our physical lives?

It is very much possible, it happened to Daniel and the whole book of Revelation happened in visions to John, even John says he was in the spirit in the day of the Lord.

Dan 10:
4On the twenty-fourth day of the first month, as I was standing on the bank of the great river, the Tigris, 5I lifted up my eyes, and behold, there was a certain man dressed in linen, with a belt of fine gold from Uphaz around his waist. 6His body was like beryl, his face like the brilliance of lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of polished bronze, and the sound of his words like the sound of a multitude.

7Only I, Daniel, saw the vision; the men with me did not see it, but a great terror fell upon them, and they ran and hid themselves.

8So I was left alone, gazing at this great vision. No strength remained in me; my face grew deathly pale, and I was powerless. 9I heard the sound of his words, and as I listened, I fell into a deep sleep, with my face to the ground.

 

[SIMON55]

Do you think God could do that for real in our physical lives?

Because the spiritual is more "REAL" than the physical .
Things are actually the reverse of what our senses of perception tell us is real in relation to the physical.....
Because the physical only exists because the most high spiritual being commanded it to......so in a sense spiritual or the unseen always trumps the physical ......the third eye sees the unseen....that the two are blinded to......
So IMHO a spiritual third eye vision always trumps the physical....It is much easier to believe an understanding this way if you have ever had a vision experience because as someone who has I sware to you on my soul that when the Holy Spirit activates that third eye.....it is a fact the other two go blind and you see what has been determined for you to see.......
And you won't just shake it off or pull yourself out of it and just exit stage left or whatever until it is completed.....
In my own personal experience I didnt want it to complete and was begging for the Holy Spirit Father Abba not to withdraw......
And when in it what you see is more elaborate detailed and or defined clearly than anything you will ever discern with your other two eyes.....
For example this is what I would presume to say the reason for Saul-Pauls resulting blindness from beholding Glorious magnificance was.....
Luckily for myself I only beheld his hands doing a works.....so once I was returned to my physical I had no after effects.....I guess one might say Saul Paul was not completely removed because his escorts saw him thrashing about blindly.....
My physical sensations were limited to the flow of joy and gratitude out of my physical eyes and the sound of my voice calling out....
Even still I was not in my body could not feel it and the audible of a witness calling me back I was deafened to.
Untill I began slowly back into my body then their calling began to sound soft from a distance at first.
Once you experience such spiritual power then your view of the physical is permanently changed and your perception of reality is reversed because the unseen is your new reality and the physical becomes the illusion that is unreal.

 

[Lanolin]

Thinking of on this Stephen as he was being stoned and dying 'tasted death' when he beheld His glory.

Moses was did glimpse Gods glory even though he did need a veil over his face cos God was so bright. Nobody else back then was allowed a view cos they would have all been killed.

Paul did see Jesus appear to him so bright that it blinded his eyes. At that point Jesus could have justly killed saul for persecuting Him and his followers. But he didnt.

 

[Noose]

Or split in half.

John 12:29
The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.



this was in the physical not a vision in the spirit or thinking they had but it happened for real.

I do believe it was in the spirit for those it was meant for because in verse 36 we are told Jesus disappeared from them.

 

[obedienttogod]

The Thing is, this preterist doctrine is able to destroy believers Faith and giving false information. This is quit different then to discuss about cerctain points of view in Theologie issues.

Believers are wise, they know scripture. They even know (from Holy Spirit) when a scripture they are unsure about is being twisted from the Adversary, but they are hearing it from the form of false prophet, an agent of the Adversary.

So, if people do stumble and accept the 70 A.D. view, it was written in scripture there would be a great "falling away." And many false ideas will deceive those whose minds are not renewed daily with God. This forum is an excellent way to keep focused upon God!!

But you are correct!!
This idea is Dangerous!!

 

[garee]

Then you have missed the point! Because everything that I post is Christ centered. It is after all, His word that I am contending for. There is no room to entertain the idea that Jesus has already returned to end the age. There has been no fulfillment of Matt.24:30-31. These are false teachings, period! This wishy washy attitude is the problem within Christianity today.

Therefore, it is not "I'm right, their wrong" but what God's word says, which is what I am conveying.

Prophecy = There be some standing here who will not taste of death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom

Fulfillment = About eight days after Jesus had said these things, He took with Him Peter, John, and James, and went up on a mountain to pray. And as He was praying, the appearance of His face changed, and His clothes became radiantly white.

There is no room to entertain the idea that we are waiting to reign with Christ who lives in us but we must disappear .

If Christians as Ambassadors for Christ today are reigning with Christ, our High Priest as a kingdom of priest after the order of Melchizedek. It has been literally two thousand literal years we have ben reigning . If we are not in the last days and are reigning with Christ in us as of the reformation. Then who are we reigning with or sharpening iron with seeing we do not wrestle against flesh and blood ? The word thousand denotes a unknow or concealed

Fulfillment = On the last day the day of believers receive the promise of their living hope, their new incorruptible bodies and not according to these corruptible bodies. And the same moment the unbeliever who have already been judged because they believe not as faithless. They receive the final action the carrying out of the judgment cast into the lake of fire the second and final death ...one work all in the twinkling of the eye.

The thousand years represents a unknow in that parable (Revelation 20)

According to the signified language of God (Revelation 1:1) a thousand years. Thousand in that parable represents a unknow in regard to what ever is is view. This case time representing or signifies a unknown . The sign that follows is the end of the ages.(time)

Men who walk by faith are watching having the privilege like Noah being prewarned . But this does not mean Christ will not come as a thief in the night. If men are looking for millions of Christians to disappear and then come back in who knows what kind of bodies and then the reigning begins.

They should question the idea of dispensationalism seeing God does not change. He works to purify the hearts of men by a work of His faith that works in us to both will and do His good pleasure in any time period.. .

Acts 15:8-10 Young's Literal Translation (YLT) and the heart-knowing God did bare them testimony, having given to them the Holy Spirit, even as also to us, and did put no difference also "between us and them", by the faith having purified their hearts; now, therefore, why do ye tempt God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

 

[Noose]

Believers are wise, they know scripture. They even know (from Holy Spirit) when a scripture they are unsure about is being twisted from the Adversary, but they are hearing it from the form of false prophet, an agent of the Adversary.

So, if people do stumble and accept the 70 A.D. view, it was written in scripture there would be a great "falling away." And many false ideas will deceive those whose minds are not renewed daily with God. This forum is an excellent way to keep focused upon God!!

Mmh, if there's ever a "great" falling away it should be the other side.

 

[KnowMe]

Because the spiritual is more "REAL" than the physical .
Things are actually the reverse of what our senses of perception tell us is real in relation to the physical.....
Because the physical only exists because the most high spiritual being commanded it to......so in a sense spiritual or the unseen always trumps the physical ......the third eye sees the unseen....that the two are blinded to......
So IMHO a spiritual third eye vision always trumps the physical....It is much easier to believe an understanding this way if you have ever had a vision experience because as someone who has I sware to you on my soul that when the Holy Spirit activates that third eye.....it is a fact the other two go blind and you see what has been determined for you to see.......
And you won't just shake it off or pull yourself out of it and just exit stage left or whatever until it is completed.....
In my own personal experience I didnt want it to complete and was begging for the Holy Spirit Father Abba not to withdraw......
And when in it what you see is more elaborate detailed and or defined clearly than anything you will ever discern with your other two eyes.....
For example this is what I would presume to say the reason for Saul-Pauls resulting blindness from beholding Glorious magnificance was.....
Luckily for myself I only beheld his hands doing a works.....so once I was returned to my physical I had no after effects.....I guess one might say Saul Paul was not completely removed because his escorts saw him thrashing about blindly.....
My physical sensations were limited to the flow of joy and gratitude out of my physical eyes and the sound of my voice calling out....
Even still I was not in my body could not feel it and the audible of a witness calling me back I was deafened to.
Untill I began slowly back into my body then their calling began to sound soft from a distance at first.
Once you experience such spiritual power then your view of the physical is permanently changed and your perception of reality is reversed because the unseen is your new reality and the physical becomes the illusion that is unreal.

I do agree the spiritual trumps the physical, but to say the physical becomes the illusion after experiencing a spiritual incounter, wouldn’t that be saying God created an illusion that is unreal?

 

[KnowMe]

It is very much possible, it happened to Daniel and the whole book of Revelation happened in visions to John, even John says he was in the spirit in the day of the Lord.

Dan 10:
4On the twenty-fourth day of the first month, as I was standing on the bank of the great river, the Tigris, 5I lifted up my eyes, and behold, there was a certain man dressed in linen, with a belt of fine gold from Uphaz around his waist. 6His body was like beryl, his face like the brilliance of lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of polished bronze, and the sound of his words like the sound of a multitude.

7Only I, Daniel, saw the vision; the men with me did not see it, but a great terror fell upon them, and they ran and hid themselves.

8So I was left alone, gazing at this great vision. No strength remained in me; my face grew deathly pale, and I was powerless. 9I heard the sound of his words, and as I listened, I fell into a deep sleep, with my face to the ground.

the Lord moves in many different ways.

 

[KnowMe]

I do believe it was in the spirit for those it was meant for because in verse 36 we are told Jesus disappeared from them.

so you believe Jesus spiritually disappeared rather than physically disappeared.

 

[Lanolin]

Well you always get a few wolves trying to put forth a bunch of baloney round here, pulling wool over the sheeps eyes, fleecing the flock.

Some other whoppers. JEsus didnt come in the flesh, he was really just two people,. jesus was an optical illusion. JEsus was a ghost. JEsus came back inivisibly. The end is nigh, but it happened in 1988, 1914, 1848.
Every who goes to church on a sunday is doomed! My church is right, everyone elses is wrong. The Bible is compeltely mistranslated, and nobody knows the truth except me. Oh by the way do you know I am God? Lets mock all christians, look heres a forum where they all gather together lets convert them away from their silly beliefs. Psst Hey you know everything God told you is wrong listen to me he didnt say that he said....

Blah blah blah,

Well come on we know the devil is always going to be opposed to the saints. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Aint buying the lies! Just report them if they continue on in such fashion.

 

[Noose]

so you believe Jesus spiritually disappeared rather than physically disappeared.

The crowds were eager for Him, there's no way to physically disappear from hungry eyes and hungry ears.

 

[KnowMe]

The crowds were eager for Him, there's no way to physically disappear from hungry eyes and hungry ears.

Luke 24:31
Then their eyes were opened and they recognized Jesus—and He disappeared from their sight.

 

[Noose]

Luke 24:31
Then their eyes were opened and they recognized Jesus—and He disappeared from their sight.

I do believe all these was happening in the spirit so that people could proclaim and in their proclamation the truth of the gospel would be revealed. Imagine the scenario where the old testament saints were resurrected and appeared to many soon after Jesus' resurrection; those people had died so many years ago (millennia) and there was no one in the 1st century who would have recognized them facially, yet we are told they appeared to many in the streets of Jerusalem. The only physical thing that happened was that their tombs were opened but recognizing them facially was God's doing in the spirit so that the truth of the gospel be revealed by their proclamation. Where those saints went after that is beyond everyone but their disappearance is not the point but their resurrection.

Same thing with Jesus here, their eyes were opened only to recognize that Jesus had resurrected- that was the main point.

 

[garee]

Do you think God could do that for real in our physical lives?

I would think physical life must be born .Flesh gives birth to flesh .

Visions are spirits bringing in information into our fleshly mind. They can come as a lying wonders worshipping of angels, as a source of lying faith . We understand the things not seen as it is written. We are warned of those who say thus says the Lord, I had a vision, or out of the body experience near death as those who intrude into those things which he has not seen by the faith of Christ, as it is written ,

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, Collosian2:18

 

[SIMON55]

I do agree the spiritual trumps the physical, but to say the physical becomes the illusion after experiencing a spiritual incounter, wouldn’t that be saying God created an illusion that is unreal?

Only for one who doesn't see because as you said it is God who makes-creates the reality the faithless think they see but it is an illusion unto them because they are blinded unto the reality of God who is the REALITY...
IS IT....Peter who tells us of this reality that is everywhere for the eye to behold....which verse is that.....
The blind can not behold reality .....neither the reality of the physical or the reality of the spiritual.....the creator whose works are everywhere to behold.....so even though they see..... they do not ....they see but remain blind....therein is the dilemma of both their
1. Delusion ( Faithlessness )
2. Illusion of a world without its Creator....
3. Our reality in the physical is but the imagination of the Creator who conceived it then spoke it....all of it so ......
4. We are looking at the mind of God....and we should see God in all things......
5. Man hasn't created anything he has only taken that which God imagined to give us and fashioned it into other things.....
God is everywhere
Let me tell you about one of many other experience...
One Easter morning early I rose said my prayers and gave thanks.....I made my coffee went out to the front steps and sat on the first at ground edge I noticed the rabbits 3 and squirrels 3 were full of joy.....they were chasing each other in circles in the yard and then they noticed me and there is a tree 3 ft from the step.....they came over all six and lined up in front of me and stared me right in the eyes.....after about a minute they started chasing each other in a circle around the tree.....3X around and then they stopped lined back up and stared me up again while they were staring me a cardinal fly's down and stands next to me on the step and looks at me....and stands there while the rabbits and squirrels repeat the tree circling two more times stopping and staring at me within arms reach...the second time they stared me up I said good morning Father God Jesus to them the cardinal didnt fly back up into the tree till after the six broke off and started circling in the yard again......
PHENOMENAH?
Not hardly....
God is everywhere , only the blind can't see him....we are all the unique miracles of his imagination that is limitless.
7 billion of us very few repeats....he is in us and all around us!

 

[garee]

Luke 24:31
Then their eyes were opened and they recognized Jesus—and He disappeared from their sight.

Amen nothing changed. He simply opened up the eyes of their hearts They were walking by sight and did not see the forest through the trees. He is a God who hides himself as our hiding place or city or refuge . He refuses to recognized as the one master as ahuman as if God was a man as us .One is our master Rabbi in heaven we are to call no man on earth good masters in that way , He said only God not seen is good .Giving glory to unseen holy place of faith.

Psalm 10:1Why standest thou afar off, O Lord? why hidest thou thyself in times of trouble?

Isaiah 45:15Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.

 

[Roku23]

The Preterists/Amillennialis would have the rest of us believe that by Jesus saying "some who are standing here will not taste of death before they see the kingdom of God," that He is saying that some who were standing would still be alive when Jesus returned to end the age, using it as a proof that He had to have already returned.
The error in their interpretation, (besides being stubborn and not willing to listen to the truth), is two fold.
1). The identity of "some who are standing here."
2). The kingdom of God (Number 2 is stated three different ways, which I am listing below
Matt.16:28 - Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
Mark 9:1 - Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God arrive with power.
Luke 9:27 - But I tell you truthfully, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God.”

The error is that I noticed you conveniently left out in your post the part of Matt 16: 27-28 that I will bold:

Matt 16: 27-28, " For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

So your claim that it was the Mount of Transfiguration is proven false by Scripture. Jesus didn't reward every one according to His works at the Mount of Transfiguration.

I mean this with all due respect but next time you make a post try being honest with the Scriptures and reading them for what they say. Don't leave out the parts that destroy your position so that you can make a false argument to try and support your futurism.