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Sounds like you are arguing against calvinism here
Most of us are not calvinist, we are free will believers.
Trying to discuss things with a non calvinist using anti calvinist tactics will just cause more confusion. I could be wrong, but the robot comment, never heard anyone use this outside of a calvinist debate
Most of us are not calvinist, we are free will believers.
Trying to discuss things with a non calvinist using anti calvinist tactics will just cause more confusion. I could be wrong, but the robot comment, never heard anyone use this outside of a calvinist debate
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This reminds me, I have been going to the same church for 3 decades, and there are people who do not
know me, only in passing. I had one sister tell me she assumed this and that from our interactions.
It soon became obvious her assumptions were wrong, but not bad.
I fear this medium can create the wrong impression, because this is belief, experience and theology all
wrapped together without context, culture, churches and responsibility. So I think I only know a few a
little, and the rest, total strangers, except for a few sentences of faith. But after seeing what that can
mean for some, even that does not necessarily mean much, sadly.
So God bless you. I am wondering about your games comment and sheep and goats, but so be it.
know me, only in passing. I had one sister tell me she assumed this and that from our interactions.
It soon became obvious her assumptions were wrong, but not bad.
I fear this medium can create the wrong impression, because this is belief, experience and theology all
wrapped together without context, culture, churches and responsibility. So I think I only know a few a
little, and the rest, total strangers, except for a few sentences of faith. But after seeing what that can
mean for some, even that does not necessarily mean much, sadly.
So God bless you. I am wondering about your games comment and sheep and goats, but so be it.
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Interesting question
Eternal - forever, never ending, everlasting, without end
Life - living, not dead, in the context of scripture, being quickened or made alive in christ, or spiritual live vs spiritual death.
Hence
Eternal life is a point in which a person is made alive, who was dead in tresspasses and sins, and the therm of this life is eternal, never ending, everlasting, without and..
Anyway i know you did not ask me, just wanted everyone to know my view
Whats yours if i may ask?
Eternal - forever, never ending, everlasting, without end
Life - living, not dead, in the context of scripture, being quickened or made alive in christ, or spiritual live vs spiritual death.
Hence
Eternal life is a point in which a person is made alive, who was dead in tresspasses and sins, and the therm of this life is eternal, never ending, everlasting, without and..
Anyway i know you did not ask me, just wanted everyone to know my view
Whats yours if i may ask?
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I am at work also, so did not check my formatting, i will try to repost.
Yes, a backslid son, i never denied that, so we see from the start, you already do not understand all i am saying.
I just used examples, another example would be a soldier who wandered away from his unit, who is alone and lost, cut off from his supplies, having to fend for himself, basically dead.
I asked what thyou difference between a dead son and a dead non son was. You never answered, again, your stuck on the word dead.
So what you have is what they call circumstancial evidence, which can not be proven, but your using it to support your belief,
I think it is dangerous to say god is a less loving father than a human father, i think it is dangerous to put a dead son and a non dead son in the same category. And i think it is fangerous to say you can lose, what you could never earn to begin with, based on your actions.
The son did not have any involvement in his birth, he never earned that right to be his dads son, he canr unearn something he bever earned, thats why i asked, and will keep askimg why you focus on the word death, and not son,
Yes, a backslid son, i never denied that, so we see from the start, you already do not understand all i am saying.
I just used examples, another example would be a soldier who wandered away from his unit, who is alone and lost, cut off from his supplies, having to fend for himself, basically dead.
I asked what thyou difference between a dead son and a dead non son was. You never answered, again, your stuck on the word dead.
So what you have is what they call circumstancial evidence, which can not be proven, but your using it to support your belief,
I think it is dangerous to say god is a less loving father than a human father, i think it is dangerous to put a dead son and a non dead son in the same category. And i think it is fangerous to say you can lose, what you could never earn to begin with, based on your actions.
The son did not have any involvement in his birth, he never earned that right to be his dads son, he canr unearn something he bever earned, thats why i asked, and will keep askimg why you focus on the word death, and not son,
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greek word for obey- hupakoe- meaning- to submit to, to comply. it can also mean respond to what someone is saying.
this is not the same as believe. believe is a mental activity. hupakoe has a clear meaning as doing something.
obedience is something that happens AFTER belief, i.e., in response to.
as far as Matthew 25 goes, Jesus is speaking of those who CLAIM to follow Him, but do not truly believe.
true believers WILL do the things He say that they will do, i.e., feeding the hungry , caring for the sick, etc..
so, there is your answer. and your lies debunked ( again ).
this is not the same as believe. believe is a mental activity. hupakoe has a clear meaning as doing something.
obedience is something that happens AFTER belief, i.e., in response to.
as far as Matthew 25 goes, Jesus is speaking of those who CLAIM to follow Him, but do not truly believe.
true believers WILL do the things He say that they will do, i.e., feeding the hungry , caring for the sick, etc..
so, there is your answer. and your lies debunked ( again ).
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Aww.it was going good. Nobody was responding to him, he was talking to himself. Should have left it that way
Praise the Lord, freedom at last, the ability to express an idea without some strange allegations following.
I have been here 11 days, I think, and expressed scripture and my take, but already I am a terrible person.
I am not looking for sympathy, I am just puzzled. Is it possible some have a personality trait, a morality
around labelling and accusing individuals of general failures, and then trying to drive this home in some way.
The apostles said this
Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble.
Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing.
For, "Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech.
1 Peter 3:8-10
So I wish you all well, and desire to encourage you in the gospel, in reading and following His word and His commands.
This is our calling in Jesus Christ and what He has laid on my heart, Amen.
Praise the Lord, freedom at last, the ability to express an idea without some strange allegations following.
I have been here 11 days, I think, and expressed scripture and my take, but already I am a terrible person.
I am not looking for sympathy, I am just puzzled. Is it possible some have a personality trait, a morality
around labelling and accusing individuals of general failures, and then trying to drive this home in some way.
The apostles said this
Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble.
Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing.
For, "Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech.
1 Peter 3:8-10
So I wish you all well, and desire to encourage you in the gospel, in reading and following His word and His commands.
This is our calling in Jesus Christ and what He has laid on my heart, Amen.
HI MMD,,,
You got three likes....I wonder why.
First of all, I keep saying how we can't go by the Greek because we're IGNORANT about it.
There are varied translations of the above.
Try finding out if you could undersand what this means for example:
It's Luke 15:32 what you're speaking of:
εὐφρανθῆναι δὲ καὶ χαρῆναι ἔδει ὅτι ὁ ἀδελφός σου οὗτος νεκρὸς ἦν καὶ ἀνέζησεν καὶ ἀπολωλὼς ἦν, καὶ εὑρέθη
Then could you come back and tell us exactly what it means?
That would be great.
Second of all,,,it's obvious you don't trust English and the translators.
Maybe you should REALLY study Greek and Koine Greek and start reading the bible in Greek.
I'm serious.....
Third....The son was a son....so he had to have been saved before he got lost.
You and some others keep saying that being a son is forever...
so if the Prodigal was a SON,,,he had to have been SAVED BEFORE he became lost.
You can't have it both way and you've skirted around this issue before with no reply to me.
So... Is a son saved or not?
If he comes back and Jesus SAYS he was lost....Is Jesus lying?
And let's get your take on that Greek up there.
Thanks.
You got three likes....I wonder why.
First of all, I keep saying how we can't go by the Greek because we're IGNORANT about it.
There are varied translations of the above.
Try finding out if you could undersand what this means for example:
It's Luke 15:32 what you're speaking of:
εὐφρανθῆναι δὲ καὶ χαρῆναι ἔδει ὅτι ὁ ἀδελφός σου οὗτος νεκρὸς ἦν καὶ ἀνέζησεν καὶ ἀπολωλὼς ἦν, καὶ εὑρέθη
Then could you come back and tell us exactly what it means?
That would be great.
Second of all,,,it's obvious you don't trust English and the translators.
Maybe you should REALLY study Greek and Koine Greek and start reading the bible in Greek.
I'm serious.....
Third....The son was a son....so he had to have been saved before he got lost.
You and some others keep saying that being a son is forever...
so if the Prodigal was a SON,,,he had to have been SAVED BEFORE he became lost.
You can't have it both way and you've skirted around this issue before with no reply to me.
So... Is a son saved or not?
If he comes back and Jesus SAYS he was lost....Is Jesus lying?
And let's get your take on that Greek up there.
Thanks.
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