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Why do you think I'm self-righteous?
I depend on the righteousness we are given through Christ.
I'm NOT self-righteous just because I believe we are to obey God.
Apparently you don't.
And you quoted the wrong post.
Please check out post no. 89,232
where you plainly stated that you believe in OSAS which means:
That one that is born again could sin all he wants to and still be saved.
You practically said this in so many words about a week ago.
If you don't know what you believe,,,I can't help you much.
I did post 1 corinthians 11:1,,,, * I'd just try to do that if I were you and stop thinking about sin all the time and those that sin more than you. We're really called not to sin and to walk in the spirit.
Since this is humanly impossible,,,let's at least try to keep it down to a minimum and not admire those that sin more than we do.
* Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
I depend on the righteousness we are given through Christ.
I'm NOT self-righteous just because I believe we are to obey God.
Apparently you don't.
And you quoted the wrong post.
Please check out post no. 89,232
where you plainly stated that you believe in OSAS which means:
That one that is born again could sin all he wants to and still be saved.
You practically said this in so many words about a week ago.
If you don't know what you believe,,,I can't help you much.
I did post 1 corinthians 11:1,,,, * I'd just try to do that if I were you and stop thinking about sin all the time and those that sin more than you. We're really called not to sin and to walk in the spirit.
Since this is humanly impossible,,,let's at least try to keep it down to a minimum and not admire those that sin more than we do.
* Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
We certainly are not obeying God while we sin
I would ask you what sin do you commit everyday that God did not provide a way of Escape for you?
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
1 Corinthians 10:13 KJV
I would ask you what sin do you commit everyday that God did not provide a way of Escape for you?
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
1 Corinthians 10:13 KJV
You add obedience as a condition for the retention of salvation.
Yes or no?
Right there, It's right there when you add things like "you practically said this" so as to put words in other people's mouths. I never said it is "okay" to sin. Never. I simply stated a fact that we WILL continue to sin because Christians struggle with the Old Nature.
And I see you had nothing to say when I caught you in your lie that you don't put people on ignore.
Yes or no?
Right there, It's right there when you add things like "you practically said this" so as to put words in other people's mouths. I never said it is "okay" to sin. Never. I simply stated a fact that we WILL continue to sin because Christians struggle with the Old Nature.
And I see you had nothing to say when I caught you in your lie that you don't put people on ignore.
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That's not the point of the parable, but you have your agenda. In context, we see that Jesus is directing this parable to the Pharisees and scribes who complained, saying that Jesus receives sinners and eats with them, while failing to recognize because of pride and self righteousness that they were sinners themselves. The main point of this parable is not that a Christian lost their salvation and had to regain it back again, but the absolute importance of finding the one lost sheep -- there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.
You try to make this parable teach that this one "sheep" in this case was a saved person who lost their salvation and had to get saved all over again, but to no avail. You conveniently forget what Jesus said in Matthew 5:5 - These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
In Luke 19:10, we read - for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost. Not lost their salvation and had to get saved all over again.
You try to make this parable teach that this one "sheep" in this case was a saved person who lost their salvation and had to get saved all over again, but to no avail. You conveniently forget what Jesus said in Matthew 5:5 - These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
In Luke 19:10, we read - for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost. Not lost their salvation and had to get saved all over again.
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The above is true.
We don't become lost by committing a sin.
We become lost by WANDERING away....
Just like the Prodigal Son did,,,.just like the sheep did.
In the N.T. the word LOST means lost from salvation...away from God...
A soul that is lost be belonging to God.
One who is lost does NOT follow God but the enemy...
Those that follow God are always the FOUND.
In the Prodigal Son Jesus Himself says of the son:
Luke 15:24
24for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.’ And they began to celebrate.
We can see that Jesus likens LOST with being DEAD.
And being FOUND with celebrating,,,,as heaven celebrates over ONE LOST SINNER.
In the parable of the lost sheep...Jesus shows that the sheep has become LOST by leaving the other 99. The attempt is made to FIND him so that we could celebrate over the lost sheep being found.
In the Pr. Son,,,the son himself realizes what a mistake he made and returns to the Father.
In the Lost Sheep, the sheep needs assistance and Jesus goes after the sheep.
Today, He left the church and us to do this deed of helping those that are in need...
be it physical or spiritual.
I fail to understand why this is even argued....
We don't become lost by committing a sin.
We become lost by WANDERING away....
Just like the Prodigal Son did,,,.just like the sheep did.
In the N.T. the word LOST means lost from salvation...away from God...
A soul that is lost be belonging to God.
One who is lost does NOT follow God but the enemy...
Those that follow God are always the FOUND.
In the Prodigal Son Jesus Himself says of the son:
Luke 15:24
24for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.’ And they began to celebrate.
We can see that Jesus likens LOST with being DEAD.
And being FOUND with celebrating,,,,as heaven celebrates over ONE LOST SINNER.
In the parable of the lost sheep...Jesus shows that the sheep has become LOST by leaving the other 99. The attempt is made to FIND him so that we could celebrate over the lost sheep being found.
In the Pr. Son,,,the son himself realizes what a mistake he made and returns to the Father.
In the Lost Sheep, the sheep needs assistance and Jesus goes after the sheep.
Today, He left the church and us to do this deed of helping those that are in need...
be it physical or spiritual.
I fail to understand why this is even argued....
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Sin is missing the mark.
It's not rebelling...you could think of it like that but that would be arguing with God.
I feel that if we get to the point of "rebelling",,,we are in danger of being lost.
When we sin,,,we are to be sorry for that sin and endeavor not to repeat it. ENDEAVOR.
I once used to think it's OK to call ourselves sinners because we still sin every day.
I've come to change my mind about this with the help of a member of a different forum.
What do YOU think? Is it right to call ourselves sinners?
It's not rebelling...you could think of it like that but that would be arguing with God.
I feel that if we get to the point of "rebelling",,,we are in danger of being lost.
When we sin,,,we are to be sorry for that sin and endeavor not to repeat it. ENDEAVOR.
I once used to think it's OK to call ourselves sinners because we still sin every day.
I've come to change my mind about this with the help of a member of a different forum.
What do YOU think? Is it right to call ourselves sinners?
Speak of @dcontroversal when he calls people dishonest...
something I don't do.
But in your case PE,,, you really ARE being dishonest.
This is NOT what is being discussed.
You should answer the other member instead of criticizing him...
Is that what we're here for?
Even Catholicism has moved away from the DAISY theory. (cute idea).
So, really, BE HONEST and discuss instead of criticizing.
something I don't do.
But in your case PE,,, you really ARE being dishonest.
This is NOT what is being discussed.
You should answer the other member instead of criticizing him...
Is that what we're here for?
Even Catholicism has moved away from the DAISY theory. (cute idea).
So, really, BE HONEST and discuss instead of criticizing.
You mean this is how your commitment is towards the Lord.
I know for sure God loves us and nothing will ever separate us from His love.
Not even the depths of hell.
God loves the world.
Unfortunately because God loves the world, doesn’t mean the world is saved.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him is predestined to be saved, should not perish but have everlasting life. Calvinism 3:16
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It's becoming difficult to speak to you so it may have to stop....
1. yes. I add obedience to keeping my salvation. This is what the N.T. teaches.
2. I do NOT add things to what you say.
YOU say what YOU say....not me.
I posted where you said it...what more could I do?
Do you believe that once saved, we could sin all we want to and still be saved?
Clarify yourself,,because this is what comes off from YOUR statements.
Again check out 89,232 for confirmation.
3. I DO NOT PUT PERSONS ON IGNORE.
you could believe it or not....I'm not interested.
1. yes. I add obedience to keeping my salvation. This is what the N.T. teaches.
2. I do NOT add things to what you say.
YOU say what YOU say....not me.
I posted where you said it...what more could I do?
Do you believe that once saved, we could sin all we want to and still be saved?
Clarify yourself,,because this is what comes off from YOUR statements.
Again check out 89,232 for confirmation.
3. I DO NOT PUT PERSONS ON IGNORE.
you could believe it or not....I'm not interested.
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Hi Bud,
You say we are caught in sin until we die, though called holy, righteous, sinless.
This is a statement of faith, which if true, would lead to your conclusions.
If on the other hand we do not accept this, but rather the flesh is cleansed of sin, we are purified,
literally, made whole and acceptable before God as cleansed believers, then your proposition is wrong.
The priests in the temple were regarded as Holy, purified and went through a purification process.
You do not believe this actually happened, and they were just regarded as Holy while not being so.
This is not what God declared.
Take the Levites from among the other Israelites and make them ceremonially clean.
To purify them, do this: Sprinkle the water of cleansing on them; then have them shave their whole bodies and wash their clothes, and so purify themselves.
Numbers 8:7-8
The Levites purified themselves and washed their clothes. Then Aaron presented them as a wave offering before the LORD and made atonement for them to purify them.
After that, the Levites came to do their work at the Tent of Meeting under the supervision of Aaron and his sons. They did with the Levites just as the LORD commanded Moses.
Num 8:21-22
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9
If you do not believe scripture you can never be pure.
You say we are caught in sin until we die, though called holy, righteous, sinless.
This is a statement of faith, which if true, would lead to your conclusions.
If on the other hand we do not accept this, but rather the flesh is cleansed of sin, we are purified,
literally, made whole and acceptable before God as cleansed believers, then your proposition is wrong.
The priests in the temple were regarded as Holy, purified and went through a purification process.
You do not believe this actually happened, and they were just regarded as Holy while not being so.
This is not what God declared.
Take the Levites from among the other Israelites and make them ceremonially clean.
To purify them, do this: Sprinkle the water of cleansing on them; then have them shave their whole bodies and wash their clothes, and so purify themselves.
Numbers 8:7-8
The Levites purified themselves and washed their clothes. Then Aaron presented them as a wave offering before the LORD and made atonement for them to purify them.
After that, the Levites came to do their work at the Tent of Meeting under the supervision of Aaron and his sons. They did with the Levites just as the LORD commanded Moses.
Num 8:21-22
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9
If you do not believe scripture you can never be pure.
negative. their is no such thing as getting saved and losing it and getting saved and....... over and over.
there is such a thing as one professing Christ, yet not being 100% committed . that is, I think, what you legalists fail to understand.
a person that is claiming to be saved, but does not truly believe is going to look very similar to a true believer struggling with sin.
that, sunshine, is why we are told not to judge.
there is such a thing as one professing Christ, yet not being 100% committed . that is, I think, what you legalists fail to understand.
a person that is claiming to be saved, but does not truly believe is going to look very similar to a true believer struggling with sin.
that, sunshine, is why we are told not to judge.
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