Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

It's about 5:30 am here, and the wind seems to be finally dying down. Still gusty though. It's creepy hearing one's house creak and groan for hours on end!

I hear ya. I had to go to work at 4:30 this morning, still have not accessed damage,

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Grace is unmerited favor - no manner how one tries to spin it. It simply means you can't earn it, especially through one's behavior. To do so would change what it is entirely. The same applies to salvation as a gift. If one gives a gift and then adds even a single condition to it, it destroys the notion it was a gift at all.

If you sin every single day (and you do) that is the epitome of staying in sin. You choose to do it. Sins are not accidental. You choose to rebel, you choose to not obey - period.

Now answer my question: If a Christian tells a lie, has a heart attack and immediately dies, is that Christian lost?

My friend, what sin do you do every single day?
It is like saying, you breath so you sin. Unless you can actually describe what you mean, you are just declaring being
human is to be sinning. Some believe so. Some would say the sexual impulse is original sin, and until we are none sexual
beings we cannot escape sin.

What I have noticed with discussing such general ideas, they sound true when they rely on the reader to define the
meaning themselves. So please tell me the sin I am committing so that I might confess and repent of it before God.

If you cannot tell me, then you do not know, and are just lying to me, like the enemy, making accusations about forgiven
sin of my past. So are you just the enemy speaking through Budman?

As believers we have victory in Christ, Praise the Lord. And listen to Paul

Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted.
Gal 6:1

Paul is saying, we are holy, redeemed, pure in our lives, but if you find someone caught in sin, restore them gently.

This assumes those in the Kingdom are not in sin but in Holiness. Quite a different picture than the one you push.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well, since that bunch loves to tie obedience to salvation, I assumed such. But if that was not what he meant, I apologize.

I am hoping he is open, but after last guy will be more reserved.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

one of my cats - she's 24yrs old, at least ((?)) - had a stroke overnight & can't use one of her hind paws

now i have to go to work

thank you for remembering the little one, Nebula, in your prayers, if you would

Prayer lifted up before i wrote this, God bless bro.

 

[Budman]

My friend, what sin do you do every single day?
It is like saying, you breath so you sin. Unless you can actually describe what you mean, you are just declaring being
human is to be sinning.

Have....you....stopped....sinning?

To remain in these bodies of flesh, is to sin.

What I have noticed with discussing such general ideas, they sound true when they rely on the reader to define the
meaning themselves. So please tell me the sin I am committing so that I might confess and repent of it before God.

If you cannot tell me, then you do not know, and are just lying to me, like the enemy, making accusations about forgiven
sin of my past.

That really made me roll my eyes. Once again, to give you the benefit of the doubt, since you are trying to make me into a psychic who can name your specific sins, here is the question:

Do you sin every day?

So are you just the enemy speaking through Budman?

That is a question meant to shut me up. You're not fooling anyone.

Oh, and once again, you neglected answering this question. So here it is......yet again:

If a Christian tells a lie, has a heart attack and immediately dies, is that Christian lost?

 

[FollowHisSteps]

A sad reality. To believe one is caught in sin everyday.
If this was so, one would be confessing sin and repenting all the time.

But this is not what the apostles were doing with Jesus. And Jesus declared them clean.
Paul describes himself as holy, pure, blameless.

You are witnesses, and so is God, of how holy, righteous and blameless we were among you who believed.
1 Thess 2:10

If what some believe about sin is true, Paul would write, of how through sinning, Gods grace worked to
cover over our sins, which you know were present and clearly demonstrated, with His gracious love and
forgiveness. But Paul does not write this.

 

[Budman]

A sad reality. To believe one is caught in sin everyday.
If this was so, one would be confessing sin and repenting all the time.

But this is not what the apostles were doing with Jesus. And Jesus declared them clean.
Paul describes himself as holy, pure, blameless.

You are witnesses, and so is God, of how holy, righteous and blameless we were among you who believed.
1 Thess 2:10

You have no idea what the two natures are, do ya?

If what some believe about sin is true, Paul would write, of how through sinning, Gods grace worked to
cover over our sins, which you know were present and clearly demonstrated, with His gracious love and
forgiveness. But Paul does not write this.

Read Romans 7:14-25 when ya get a chance.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Have....you....stopped....sinning?
To remain in these bodies of flesh, is to sin.
That really made me roll my eyes. Once again, to give you the benefit of the doubt, since you are trying to make me into a psychic who can name your specific sins, here is the question:
Do you sin every day?
That is a question meant to shut me up. You're not fooling anyone.
Oh, and once again, you neglected answering this question. So here it is......yet again:
If a Christian tells a lie, has a heart attack and immediately dies, is that Christian lost?

"To remain in these bodies of flesh, is to sin."

In your definition of sin, I am sinning to be alive. But I cannot confess or repent or deal with this
definition of sin. And this definition means Jesus as a sinner.

You do understand if our flesh is to sin, Jesus was a sinner and your salvation is impossible, as sinners
cannot pay the price for sin. It creates a faith tautology.

It is also not a christian belief. When Adam and Eve were created what did God say

"God saw all that he had made, and it was very good."
Gen 1:31

God walked with Adam and Eve and did not call them evil or sinful.
So flesh is not evil or sinful like you believe according to scripture.

 

[Budman]

And this definition means Jesus as a sinner.

Being fully God and fully man makes that impossible. You never get tired of hyperbole, do you?

Do you sin every day or not? A simple yes or no will do.

Oh, and: If a Christian tells a lie, has a heart attack and immediately dies, is that Christian lost?

 

[FollowHisSteps]

You have no idea what the two natures are, do ya?
Read Romans 7:14-25 when ya get a chance.

There is a miss-understanding between the nature of our existence.
The first is our behaviour which is dictated by biology and experience.
The second is our aspirations, which is what we would like to be, or think we are.

Paul describes what he is and does does not match is aspirations. He has no control.

But in romans he goes on to describe in the Holy Spirit, through the redemption of Christ and Gods
work in his heart, Paul is a new man, a man of God, redeemed and empowered to walk in righteousness.

And all your position and ideas demonstrate is you know the world of the flesh and that of aspirations,
yet have not experienced the freedom in Christ to walk in righteousness.

It does not mean it is not possible, but you testify that you cannot, and claim everyone else is like
you trapped and enslaved to the flesh. I understand your experience, but cannot deny my own and many
many believers who walk in the Spirit and minister His grace to others and know His transforming power
through repentance, confession and faith.

 

[gb9]

You have no idea what the two natures are, do ya?



Read Romans 7:14-25 when ya get a chance.

the reason followhissteps says he does not sin everyday is he does not recognize the definition of sin.

he thinks that sin is just breaking a command and that is it.

but, as we know, the actual definition of sin is missing the mark, falling short of a standard, knowing to do good and not doing so, whatever is not of faith is sin.

now, I wish I could just make it up as I go along, but God has set the standards, and I submit my self to them, not change them.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Being fully God and fully man makes that impossible. You never get tired of hyperbole, do you?
Do you sin every day or not? A simple yes or no will do.
Oh, and: If a Christian tells a lie, has a heart attack and immediately dies, is that Christian lost?

I have told you, my friend, by your definition I sin by being alive, by Gods definition of sin,
no I only sin when I commit sinful actions, which I have not done daily as you seem to allege.

 

[Budman]

And all your position and ideas demonstrate is you know the world of the flesh and that of aspirations,
yet have not experienced the freedom in Christ to walk in righteousness.

It does not mean it is not possible, but you testify that you cannot, and claim everyone else is like
you trapped and enslaved to the flesh.

So, are you claiming you don't sin every single day?

C'mon.....you can answer this.

And: If a Christian tells a lie, has a heart attack and immediately dies, is that Christian lost?

 

[GodsGrace101]

one of my cats - she's 24yrs old, at least ((?)) - had a stroke overnight & can't use one of her hind paws

now i have to go to work

thank you for remembering the little one, Nebula, in your prayers, if you would

I had to put my 16 year old cat to sleep about two months ago.
Same thing....he was dragging the back paws.
No pain...and was eating...but other problems develop, so you should start thinking about this...
I'm sorry, it's sad.

 

[Budman]

I have told you, my friend, by your definition I sin by being alive

Yep. It called "the Old Man" or the "Flesh" and it's not dead.

If it were, you wouldn't commit a single sin - ever.

by Gods definition of sin,
no I only sin when I commit sinful actions, which I have not done daily as you seem to allege.

Um, yeah. You sin when you sin. Which is how often?

Annnnd: If a Christian tells a lie, has a heart attack and immediately dies, is that Christian lost?

 

[GodsGrace101]

So, are you claiming you don't sin every single day?

C'mon.....you can answer this.

And: If a Christian tells a lie, has a heart attack and immediately dies, is that Christian lost?

You have a weird concept of Christianity,,,that's all I'll say.
Remember what Paul said:

1 Corinthians 11:1
Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.

Jesus didn't hang on that cross so you could believe it's OK to sin every day because everybody sins every day...he came to change you internally so you won't be likely to sin.

Let those who are better than you be your example...
not those that are worse than you.

And you should stop asking silly questions and start thinking about more serious concepts.
You seem like a smart guy.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have told you, my friend, by your definition I sin by being alive, by Gods definition of sin,
no I only sin when I commit sinful actions, which I have not done daily as you seem to allege.

Dude, sin is not an action, it is an attitude, a state of mind, a moment of focus. Actions come out of thise sins.

You still have no idea what sin is. Thats why your still stuck in legalism.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Hey, it’s past your bedtime. Why are you still up?

It’s 1:13 am Italy time. It’s 6:13 pm where I live.

What!
You want I should miss all the fun?
6:13 pm. Central time zone for you.

 

[Budman]

You have a weird concept of Christianity,,,that's all I'll say.
Remember what Paul said:

1 Corinthians 11:1
Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.

Jesus didn't hang on that cross so you could believe it's OK to sin every day because everybody sins every day...he came to change you internally so you won't be likely to sin.

Let those who are better than you be your example...
not those that are worse than you.

And you should stop asking silly questions and start thinking about more serious concepts.
You seem like a smart guy.

You have a weird concept of Christianity,,,that's all I'll say.
Remember what Paul said:

1 Corinthians 11:1
Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.

Jesus didn't hang on that cross so you could believe it's OK to sin every day because everybody sins every day...he came to change you internally so you won't be likely to sin.

Let those who are better than you be your example...
not those that are worse than you.

And you should stop asking silly questions and start thinking about more serious concepts.
You seem like a smart guy.

First off: I though you put me on ignore?

Jesus didn't hang on that cross so you could believe it's OK to sin every day

Never once said it was okay. You're back to putting words in other's mouths I see.

because everybody sins every day

Yep. Prove me wrong.

.he came to change you internally so you won't be likely to sin.

How likely are you to sin every day?

Let those who are better than you be your example...

Are you more saved than others?

And you should stop asking silly questions and start thinking about more serious concepts.

Self-righteousness is serious. And it has infected this thread.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

the reason followhissteps says he does not sin everyday is he does not recognize the definition of sin.
he thinks that sin is just breaking a command and that is it.
but, as we know, the actual definition of sin is missing the mark, falling short of a standard, knowing to do good and not doing so, whatever is not of faith is sin.
now, I wish I could just make it up as I go along, but God has set the standards, and I submit my self to them, not change them.

Hi gb9,

Is your definition of sin, knowing to do good and not doing so, or whatever is not of faith is sin?

This is very subjective definition of sin. If my idea of good is being kind to people, I do not sin when I am kind to all.
If obeying faith, if being kind to everyone, I do not sin.

A guilty conscience could invent versions that say, just thinking about someone in a negative light is sin, or being
hungry, or thirsty, or aspiring for something is not of faith, so sin, I can be overcome with self condemnation.

So this kind of religion, would have some living in liberty while others doomed to hell and living in an OCD hell.

God was specific about sin so as to free people and help them understand what it means to walk in His ways.
But man wants to reject themselves and deny God could love them by inventing more reasons to say they
fail, because being acceptable would be too much to hope for.