Jesus is not coming back. He already did in 70 A.D.

[Roku23]

When were all who beliv HIm takrn up to be with Him?

It happened in 70 A.D. just like Jesus said it would. Let me give you 12 comparisons between Matt 24 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:8 that I think will show that Paul is talking about the same event Jesus was in the Olivet Discourse.

Mt. 24 = 1 Thess. 4: 13-18 & 5: 1-8

1. Christ Returns from Heaven Matt 24:30 = 1 Thess 4:16
2. With Voice of an Arch Angel Matt 24:31 = 1 Thess 4:16
3. With the Trumpet of God Matt 24:31 = 1 Thess 4:16
4. Caught/Gathered Together with/to Christ Matt 24:31 = 1 Thess 4:17
5. “Meet” the Lord in the Clouds Matt 24:30 & 25:6 = 1 Thess 4:17
6. Exact Time Unknown Matt 24:36 = 1 Thess 5:1-2
7. Christ Comes as a Thief Matt 24:43 = 1 Thess 5:2
8. Unbelievers Caught Off Guard Matt 24:37-39 = 1 Thess 5:3
9. Time of Birth Pangs Matt 24:8 = 1 Thess 5:3
10. Believers Not Deceived Matt 24:43 = 1 Thess 5:4-5
11. Believers to Be Watchful Matt 24:42 = 1 Thess 5:6
12. Exhorted to Sobriety Matt 24:49 = 1 Thess 5:7
12. Son/Sunlight Shining From E. to W. / Sons of the Day Matt 24:27, 36, & 38 = 1 Thess 5:4-8

Remember Jesus said this would happen to His generation in the Olivet Discourse. (Matt 24:34)

 

[cv5]

It happened in 70 A.D. just like Jesus said it would. Let me give you 12 comparisons between Matt 24 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:8 that I think will show that Paul is talking about the same event Jesus was in the Olivet Discourse.

Mt. 24 = 1 Thess. 4: 13-18 & 5: 1-8

1. Christ Returns from Heaven Matt 24:30 = 1 Thess 4:16
2. With Voice of an Arch Angel Matt 24:31 = 1 Thess 4:16
3. With the Trumpet of God Matt 24:31 = 1 Thess 4:16
4. Caught/Gathered Together with/to Christ Matt 24:31 = 1 Thess 4:17
5. “Meet” the Lord in the Clouds Matt 24:30 & 25:6 = 1 Thess 4:17
6. Exact Time Unknown Matt 24:36 = 1 Thess 5:1-2
7. Christ Comes as a Thief Matt 24:43 = 1 Thess 5:2
8. Unbelievers Caught Off Guard Matt 24:37-39 = 1 Thess 5:3
9. Time of Birth Pangs Matt 24:8 = 1 Thess 5:3
10. Believers Not Deceived Matt 24:43 = 1 Thess 5:4-5
11. Believers to Be Watchful Matt 24:42 = 1 Thess 5:6
12. Exhorted to Sobriety Matt 24:49 = 1 Thess 5:7
12. Son/Sunlight Shining From E. to W. / Sons of the Day Matt 24:27, 36, & 38 = 1 Thess 5:4-8

Remember Jesus said this would happen to His generation in the Olivet Discourse. (Matt 24:34)

There are zero reports of a resurrection event in 70ad. Utterly ridiculous.

 

[Roku23]

Matthew 24:36 New King James Version (NKJV)
No One Knows the Day or Hour
36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

Jesus didn't know the "day or the hour" when He was on earth but He knew it was in His generation. Just like in the days of Noah. Noah didn't know when the flood was coming either but he knew it was in his generation. He didn't know until 7 days before he entered the ark.

Rev 1:1 says, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John

God gave Jesus the revelation of His soon return in 70 A.D. right before He came back just like Noah was told shortly before the flood. As in the days of Noah so shall the coming of the son of man be.

 

[cv5]

Jesus didn't know the "day or the hour" when He was on earth but He knew it was in His generation. Just like in the days of Noah. Noah didn't know when the flood was coming either but he knew it was in his generation. He didn't know until 7 days before he entered the ark.

Rev 1:1 says, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John

God gave Jesus the revelation of His soon return in 70 A.D. right before He came back just like Noah was told shortly before the flood. As in the days of Noah so shall the coming of the son of man be.

If you think 70ad = days of Noah....
think again.

 

[Roku23]

The resurrection of whom? Care to say who was actually resurrected in ad 70? Now you saying its spiritual resurrextion. But jesus was resurrected BODILY. And we will the same.

Matt 12: 39-40, "But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jesus' bodily resurrection was a sign. Otherwise nobody would have believed He rose from the dead. He tells you it is a sign. The dead are raised with a spiritual body. I don't know what that is like since I have never had one. It is not flesh and blood because flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. We will be like the angels.

Paul talks about us receiving a spiritual body in 1 Cor 15. It is not bodies flying out of the ground. Your new body does not use your physical body.

Also you didnt bother to answer the last question. Who was the man of sin then

The man of sin was one of the temple priests. He sits in the temple of God showing that he is God. There are different theories about who he was in 66-70 A.D. Only the Jews could defile the temple. The "abomination of desolation" is something only the Jews could do. Go read Ezekiel 8 & 9 when the first temple was defiled by the Jews. Read about all their abominations that upset the Lord. Same thing happened at the end for them near 70 A.D. You can also read about the zealots and others in Josephus who defiled the temple leading up to and during the siege.

 

[Roku23]

Generation means a people, when Jesus called the Pharisees a generation of vipers, a wicked and adulterous, generation he was referring to them as a people. Children of the devil and darkenss vs children of God and the light.

Generation, the Greek word "genea" always is used by Jesus in the New Testament for His contemporaries. We need to be honest with the Scriptures and accept them for what they say.

 

[Roku23]

That’s fine! You have a belief and I have the word of God. Read it! God works with numbers it’s been 70 years for Israel as a nation and Trump acknowledges Jerusalem as the capital that should be astonished!

The people in the middle east in Israel are not God's people. The church is. Scripture tells us neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female matter anymore but a new creation in Christ. God has gathered all people into one in Christ.

Read Deuteronomy 28 and 32. They tell you about the end of the Jews. It does not end with a regathering but a siege (deut 28) and their being scattered to the four winds forever. They can still be saved just like anyone else through faith in Christ. They do not have a special covenant (the old covenant) anymore with God.

 

[Lanolin]

The Disciples didn't have Dictionaries. Jesus used the same word meaning the present Generation in other places where the context clearly shows that he meant those that he was talking to. Imposing an interpretation on text to justify a position doesn't make the
position correct.

Actually no.
Otherwise Jesus would have said you standing here, or you disciples. Jesus was talking about the temple being destroyed. Its not my interpretsrion, or position, its just what Jesus said. Look there is no temple but the israelite generation is STILL here and hasnt passed away.

Its you who doesnt understand what Jesus said, thus you need a dictionary.

 

[Lanolin]

OP you like to insist you right, even when you interpret wrong. He who has ears, let them hear.

 

[Lanolin]

Lol you say there are theories over who the man of sin was, and you cant even name that person. So. Why should we believe you.

 

[Roku23]

I disagree all of Revelation was not fulfilled in AD70. The NT as a whole teaches a resurrection of the dead which is not
just a spiritualised resurrection. Jesus clearly states in his parables that there will be one. He made it clear to Martha in the death and resurrection of Lazarus that there would be one on the last day. Revelation speaks of a new heaven and earth. Peter confirms
it in his letters. I am not minimising the events of AD70 but they are not the full picture. Full Preterism is the opposite extreme to
Futurism neither position allows for any acknowledgement of the other.

1. The resurrection happened in 70 A.D. when Jesus came back (second coming).

Daniel 12: 1-2 talk about the resurrection and judgment. Some to everlasting life. Some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Daniel 12 is during the time of the Roman king and at the end of the 70 weeks prophecy which happens in A.D. 70. The entire book is about the destruction of Jerusalem and the setting up of Christ's kingdom. People did not see the resurrection because it is not a physical body. Matt 25 also tells you about the sheep and goats judgment as does Rev 20 talk about the judgment. The timing is 70 A.D. which Scripture makes clear.

2. The new covenant age has no end. Christ's kingdom is forever. If His kingdom is forever it cannot have a last day. The last day was the last day of the Jewish age. This is what the disciples asked in Matt 24: 3. They knew that the destruction of the temple was the "end of the age". The end of the jewish age. When Jesus says in John 6 that whoever believe in Him He will raise up on the last day He is talking about 70 A.D.

3. The New Heavens and Earth that Peter talks about is Christ's kingdom. He established it in 70 A.D. after He received it from the Father and came back with it. It was established when He destroyed Jerusalem and the temple. When it talks about the "elements" melting with fervent heat the word for "elements" is the Greek word Stoichea. It means the basic principles of a relgious system. The mosaic law. The old covenant was being destroyed (the old heavens and earth) and the new covenant kingdom was being established by Christ (the new heavens and earth). This is why Peter says in 1 Peter 4: 7 "the end of all things is at hand". He was referring to the jewish age.

Read Isaiah 65. The first 16 verses are about old covenant Israel who was always unfaithful. In verse 17 and 18 God creates a new heavens and earth which is a new people in Christ. These people, the New Jerusalem, will be a joy. It is not a new physical universe. People don't understand this because they think carnally which is natural for humans since we live in a physical world using our 5 senses. It is not a carnal kingdom. It is a spiritual kingdom.

 

[Roku23]

Those "standing here who shall not taste death" were Peter, John and James. This prophecy was fulfilled a week after Jesus said this when He took them up on a high mountain where Jesus was transformed into His glorified state. This is what He was referring to when He said, "till they see the Son of Man coming in His glory" and not the end of the age.

No it wasn't fulfilled at the Mount of Transfiguration. Jesus says specifically in Matt 16: 27-28 that when He comes in His kingdom He will reward every man according to his deeds. No one was rewarded at the Mount of Transfiguration. That only happened in 70 A.D.

"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its branches become tender and sprout leaves, you know that summer is near. So also, when you see all these things, you will know that He is near, right at the door. Truly I tell you, this generation (the one where those signs take place) will not pass away until all these things have happened."

This is a lie taught by futurists. Jesus uses "genea", the Greek word for generation, 25 times in the New Testament. If a person looks at the context it shows that He is always talking about His contemporaries. There are no exceptions. To say that it is a "final generation" would mean Jesus was deceiving the disciples by not answering their question about the destruction of the temple.

Even if you disagree with that Matt 16: 27-28 shows that He came back in 70 A.D.

 

[Roku23]

I have no idea how people can believe such stupid things.
You need to throw away any material that teaches this, stop watching vidios that teach this, and avoid any teachers that teach this.
It is obvious that you and those you are influenced by have zero understanding of Scripture. Your post is not worthy of any farther discussion.

So you respond with an emotional attack and I used Scripture, that you didn't respond to, that shows Jesus said He was coming back in His generation.

 

[Roku23]

Revelation 21 says there are no more tears and no more death in the new heaven and new earth. Do you know anyone who has died recently? That puts a dent in your theory now doesnt it?

God has never been worried about physical death. He created the universe that way and said everything He created was very good. He has always been worried about spiritual death. Separation from God. He reconciled that in Jesus. You think the new heavens and earth is a physical place but Scripture says it is not. Many christians think physically and that is why they have difficulty understanding this.

Full-preterism is a WICKED heresy!

It is not wicked heresy. It is what the Bible teaches. You just won't accept what the Scripture says. There are a lot of Christians who won't because of carnal/physical thinking. You are not alone.

 

[Roku23]

You assert but fail to draw any connection - the verses you quoted only confirmed that Jesus was to come soon but why did you choose 70AD? Matt 24:6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. These things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

Jesus says in Matt 24: 34 that everything He just mentioned would come upon His generation. That includes His second coming in verses 30 and 31. Unfortunately, people do not want to accept the Scriptures for what they say try to twist that word for generation. Cannot be done. I'm not saying that you are but many Christians try and twist it.

Matt 16: 27-28 tell us that Jesus was coming back in His generation. He did not reward every man according to his deeds at the Mount of Transfiguration or Pentecost which futurists will try to claim. He did that in 70 A.D. when the Jews who rejected Him died in the city, the living Christians escaped, and the dead were raised out of Hades; some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt. (Dan 12: 1-2).

 

[Roku23]

I'm intrigued by this subject. I've been investigating the preterist perspective and, so far, have found a lot to commend it. I haven't come to any conclusions yet.

I believe that you will find that full preterism is the truth if you will accept what the Scripture says. It doesn't make sense at first but when you see many passages converging and saying the same thing the evidence becomes overwhelming. It is beautiful to have the truth but I know my opponents would disagree with me that I have it.

Frankly, I'm disgusted by the tone of responses so far. Are we as Christians incapable of discussing a position without attacking the person presenting it? Has nobody learned that ad hominem attacks and strawman arguments are meaningless? Have we utterly neglected Scripture which states, "To answer before listening--that is folly and shame" and "In a lawsuit the first to speak seems right, until someone comes forward and cross-examines" (Proverbs 18:13 and 17)?

People have very emotional reactions to the Scriptures. It upsets what they have been taught all their life by well meaning pastors and men. I am used to Ad Hominem's. Emotions override peoples senses sometimes. We should always use Scripture alone and not emotions to make our arguments as you rightly pointed out.

 

[Roku23]

The Bible says "EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM" until that happens,it ain't happened. It's that simple folks.

You are thinking that you are going to see Him with your physical eyes. That is not what that verse is saying. You are quoting from Rev 1: 7 which is quoting from Zec 12: 10. The people in Jerusalem during it's judgment saw Him coming in judgment. They mourned because of their destruction. It's not talking about every eye on the planet. The book of Revelation is about the destruction of Jerusalem and the vindication of Jesus and the saints and the establishment of the New Covenant kingdom on earth.

 

[Roku23]

The preterist view = an impotent Christ bereft of glory

It actually glorifies God because it shows He kept all His promises and Jesus finished the last of those promises in 70 A.D.

The entire Bible is fulfilled. All Scripture is still profitable for instruction in righteousness (2 tim 3: 16) but we need to keep it in its proper understanding.

BTW....where is the Third Temple? Surely a blatant deficiency.

The temple will never be rebuilt. God has made that obvious to the world by destroying it and leaving it vacant for 2,000 years. Even if Israel were to rebuild it God would never be there.

 

[tanakh]

Actually no.
Otherwise Jesus would have said you standing here, or you disciples. Jesus was talking about the temple being destroyed. Its not my interpretsrion, or position, its just what Jesus said. Look there is no temple but the israelite generation is STILL here and hasnt passed away.

Its you who doesnt understand what Jesus said, thus you need a dictionary.

Where does Jesus say ''The Israelite generation?'' I am following the plain text what are you following? If I spoke about this generation
would you understand it as my current generation or a British Generation 2000 years from now?

 

[Roku23]

Preterists are lacking a 3rd Temple and Abomination of Desolation. Sorry it doesn't meet the requirements of Scripture. Not even close. Frankly I find the view absurd to the extreme.

Just because we don't know who the exact person was sitting in the temple in 65-70 A.D. doesn't mean it did not happen. Once again, only the jews could commit the Abomination of Desolation. They did that to the first temple in Ezekiel 8 & 9. They did it again right before Christ's second coming in 70 A.D. I understand you think the position is absurd but you should try and study it and give it a chance before you condemn it.