What are the proof texts from the Bible for Slain in the Spirit?

[garee]

More confusion.

Eutychus was physically dead, just as Lazarus and Jesus were physically dead. Eutychus and Lazarus were restored to earthly life. Jesus was resurrected.

The hands don't necessarily represent anything in this story. Your use of unrelated comments in Scripture to make doctrine for today is simply unsupportable. Acts is a record of what happened, not a series of parables.

Nobody that I have come across "seeks after a signs and wonders gospel". You still don't provide any direct quotations of people doing that. Until you can, your position is in error.

Is that physically but not spiritual dead? How does the bible define dead ? Can God who has no beginning of Spirit life literally die and then be born again?

What does it mean when the bible say we have passed from death to life seeing we live in a body of death that does return to dust ?

And every one that walks by sight is seeking after a signs and wonder gospel. Its what natural unconverted man or an evil generation does .They have no faith needed to seek after God not seen . That faith alone comes from hearing prophecy .

 

[Dino246]

Is that physically but not spiritual dead? How does the bible define dead ? Can God who has no beginning of Spirit life literally die and then be born again?

I wrote "physically dead". I didn't say anything about "spiritual (sic) dead". The Bible uses "dead" in (at least) two different senses: physical and spiritual. When you mix them up, you confuse people.

What does it mean when the bible say we have passed from death to life seeing we live in a body of death that does return to dust ?

Are you asking because you don't know, or because you want to argue your point?

And every one that walks by sight is seeking after a signs and wonder gospel. Its what natural unconverted man or an evil generation does .They have no faith needed to seek after God not seen . That faith alone comes from hearing prophecy .

Evidence for this outrageous assertion? I think you're just stating your unsupported opinion. Most unsaved people aren't seeking anything from God.

 

[garee]

I wrote "physically dead". I didn't say anything about "spiritual (sic) dead". The Bible uses "dead" in (at least) two different senses: physical and spiritual. When you mix them up, you confuse people.


Are you asking because you don't know, or because you want to argue your point?


Evidence for this outrageous assertion? I think you're just stating your unsupported opinion. Most unsaved people aren't seeking anything from God.

Exactly how could they but walk by sight, seeking what is before them as the natural course of this world under the god of this world? The father of lies, he is the spirit of this world that draws men to seek after a lying spirit. as soon as natural man is born they go forth speaking lies .Again the nature of unconverted mankind . No tools to seek after our faithful Creator . No man can come to Him unless he draws them through, as it written

.Faith comes by hearing God. They have no faith, not little...…………. none.

Its what the evil generation,( natural unconverted mankind) does... turn the things of God not seen upside down to take away his understanding .making the word of God the one source of faith by which we could hear God to no effect.so that they might keep the oral traditions of men

Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: "they seek a sign"; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

 

[Hevosmies]

Ah, you spotted the typo ( 3 instead of 2). The right prooftext of course is 1 Corinthians 14:24-25.

Definately a typo. most churches today definately dont want nothing to do with 1 corinthians 14:34-35.

 

[Dino246]

Exactly how could they but walk by sight, seeking what is before them as the natural course of this world under the god of this world? The father of lies, he is the spirit of this world that draws men to seek after a lying spirit. as soon as natural man is born they go forth speaking lies .Again the nature of unconverted mankind . No tools to seek after our faithful Creator . No man can come to Him unless he draws them through, as it written

.Faith comes by hearing God. They have no faith, not little...…………. none.

Its what the evil generation,( natural unconverted mankind) does... turn the things of God not seen upside down to take away his understanding .making the word of God the one source of faith by which we could hear God to no effect.so that they might keep the oral traditions of men

Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: "they seek a sign"; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

You conflate continuationists with unbelievers. That is simply incorrect, and is likely at the root of your confusion about the gifts of the Spirit. Those who hold to the present-day operation of the gifts aren't unbelievers. Besides, that isn't the subject of this thread.

 

[Dino246]

Definately a typo. most churches today definately dont want nothing to do with 1 corinthians 14:34-35.

Likely because a straightforward reading of it is inconsistent with other things Paul wrote in the same letter.

 

[TheLearner]

Ah, you spotted the typo ( 3 instead of 2). The right prooftext of course is 1 Corinthians 14:24-25.

1 Corinthians 14:24-25 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
24 But suppose you are all prophesying and someone comes in who does not believe or who is without understanding. Their sin will be shown to them, and they will be judged by everything you say. 25 The secret things in their heart will be made known. So they will bow down and worship God. They will say, “Without a doubt, God is here with you.”

I often do not remember which verse is which. So, I post the text to see how it fits.

 

[MadHermit]

This text relates to the larger question: How can we know when charismatic prophetic utterances really are inspired by the Holy Spirit? Here is my discernment from growing up in a large Pentecost church and being around Pentecostals much of my life: most ecstatic "words of prophecy are of the flesh. So how then can a newbie discern authentic prophesying? The same Holy Spirit who inspires the prophesying plants an inner witness to its authenticity and whether it directly applies to the hearers. Notice, then, that in 14:24-25 "the outsider" neither sits down nor kneels down; rather, he "falls on his face" under conviction from the Spirit. I actually dislike the crude phrase "slain in the Spirit" and prefer the more popular Pentecostal phrase "falling under the power." The anointed one can fail forward or backwards.

When I was 11, I attended a camp meeting in British Columbia led by the evangelist Rev. Bloomfield. He invited a long line of supplicants to be anointed by the Spirit. My family pressured me to join the line and receive prayer. Each of the 200 plus ahead of me received the laying on of hands and fell backwards into the arms of catchers. Then my turn came: he laid hands on me and I just stood there. I heard groans throughout the amphitheater! Surprised, he laid hands on me again, this time actually shoving me, so that I lost my balance and fell down. The crowd went wild! But I just lay there, afraid that if I rose back to my feet too soon, I would be subjected to another "push down." So after a couple of minutes I rose and returned to my seat by my family. The ultimate effect? A cynic was born about all things charismatic! But there were 2 positive long-range outcomes: (1) I became plagued by doubts abput my entire faith and became so obsessed with resolving them that I got my MDiv from Princeton and my doctorate in NT and Judaism form Harvard. [John Piper was one of my fellow seminarians.] (2) I eventually did experience authentic gifts of the Spirit (speaking in tongues, prophecy, word of knowledge) and treasured those moments because I experienced them in the midst of so much counterfeit spirituality.

 

[Dino246]

This text relates to the larger question: How can we know when charismatic prophetic utterances really are inspired by the Holy Spirit? Here is my discernment from growing up in a large Pentecost church and being around Pentecostals much of my life: most ecstatic "words of prophecy are of the flesh. So how then can a newbie discern authentic prophesying? The same Holy Spirit who inspires the prophesying plants an inner witness to its authenticity and whether it directly applies to the hearers. Notice, then, that in 14:24-25 "the outsider" neither sits down nor kneels down; rather, he "falls on his face" under conviction from the Spirit. I actually dislike the crude phrase "slain in the Spirit" and prefer the more popular Pentecostal phrase "falling under the power." The anointed one can fail forward or backwards.

When I was 11, I attended a camp meeting in British Columbia led by the evangelist Rev. Bloomfield. He invited a long line of supplicants to be anointed by the Spirit. My family pressured me to join the line and receive prayer. Each of the 200 plus ahead of me received the laying on of hands and fell backwards into the arms of catchers. Then my turn came: he laid hands on me and I just stood there. I heard groans throughout the amphitheater! Surprised, he laid hands on me again, this time actually shoving me, so that I lost my balance and fell down. The crowd went wild! But I just lay there, afraid that if I rose back to my feet too soon, I would be subjected to another "push down." So after a couple of minutes I rose and returned to my seat by my family. The ultimate effect? A cynic was born about all things charismatic! But there were 2 positive long-range outcomes: (1) I became plagued by doubts abput my entire faith and became so obsessed with resolving them that I got my MDiv from Princeton and my doctorate in NT and Judaism form Harvard. [John Piper was one of my fellow seminarians.] (2) I eventually did experience authentic gifts of the Spirit (speaking in tongues, prophecy, word of knowledge) and treasured those moments because I experienced them in the midst of so much counterfeit spirituality.

It's sad that a preacher would "push" someone down under such circumstances. That's flesh, not Spirit. You handled it well; most don't. These days, if someone pushed me down, I'd be inclined to get up and give them a stern rebuke. The trouble is that usually when someone is ministering under such delusion, they also claim "don't touch the Lord's anointed". I've seen that firsthand too.

 

[TheLearner]

Are not all Christians anointed? Therefore, he is not allowed to kill you either.

Psalm 105:15 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
15 He said, “Don’t hurt my chosen people.
Don’t harm my prophets.”

Personally I do not consider the clown a prophet and I smack him down.

2 Corinthians 1:21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;

 

[TheLearner]

I watch in YouTube. Ex Muslim now Christian pastor preach in gorontalo, indonesia, about 5000 muslim school student was there. 7 of the student mad come to the pulpit with sword try to kill the pastor, but Holy Spirit struck them, they fall.

This is not slain in the spirit. This is punishment, slain in the spirit is for people that come to the Lord.

Paul was fall when he try to persecute Christian, it is different story.

We need to know when apostle lay hand and pray for a person than they fall.

Slain | Define Slain at Dictionary.com
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/slain
verb (used with object), slew or slayed (especially for def 4); slain; slay·ing. to kill by violence. to destroy; extinguish. sley. Slang

 

[TheLearner]

Is that physically but not spiritual dead? How does the bible define dead ? Can God who has no beginning of Spirit life literally die and then be born again?

What does it mean when the bible say we have passed from death to life seeing we live in a body of death that does return to dust ?

And every one that walks by sight is seeking after a signs and wonder gospel. Its what natural unconverted man or an evil generation does .They have no faith needed to seek after God not seen . That faith alone comes from hearing prophecy .

death is defined in James 2:26

 

[TheLearner]

Exactly how could they but walk by sight, seeking what is before them as the natural course of this world under the god of this world? The father of lies, he is the spirit of this world that draws men to seek after a lying spirit. as soon as natural man is born they go forth speaking lies .Again the nature of unconverted mankind . No tools to seek after our faithful Creator . No man can come to Him unless he draws them through, as it written

.Faith comes by hearing God. They have no faith, not little...…………. none.

Its what the evil generation,( natural unconverted mankind) does... turn the things of God not seen upside down to take away his understanding .making the word of God the one source of faith by which we could hear God to no effect.so that they might keep the oral traditions of men

Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: "they seek a sign"; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

Luke 11:29 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
Some People Doubt Jesus’ Authority
29 The crowd grew larger and larger. Jesus said, “The people who live today are evil. They ask for a miracle as a sign from God. But no miracle will be done to prove anything to them. The only sign will be the miracle that happened to Jonah


Jesus is speaking about the generation when he was locally on earth. He is not speaking of every person on the earth at that time, nor is he in context speaking about every person of every generation.

 

[TheLearner]

This text relates to the larger question: How can we know when charismatic prophetic utterances really are inspired by the Holy Spirit? Here is my discernment from growing up in a large Pentecost church and being around Pentecostals much of my life: most ecstatic "words of prophecy are of the flesh. So how then can a newbie discern authentic prophesying? The same Holy Spirit who inspires the prophesying plants an inner witness to its authenticity and whether it directly applies to the hearers. Notice, then, that in 14:24-25 "the outsider" neither sits down nor kneels down; rather, he "falls on his face" under conviction from the Spirit. I actually dislike the crude phrase "slain in the Spirit" and prefer the more popular Pentecostal phrase "falling under the power." The anointed one can fail forward or backwards.

When I was 11, I attended a camp meeting in British Columbia led by the evangelist Rev. Bloomfield. He invited a long line of supplicants to be anointed by the Spirit. My family pressured me to join the line and receive prayer. Each of the 200 plus ahead of me received the laying on of hands and fell backwards into the arms of catchers. Then my turn came: he laid hands on me and I just stood there. I heard groans throughout the amphitheater! Surprised, he laid hands on me again, this time actually shoving me, so that I lost my balance and fell down. The crowd went wild! But I just lay there, afraid that if I rose back to my feet too soon, I would be subjected to another "push down." So after a couple of minutes I rose and returned to my seat by my family. The ultimate effect? A cynic was born about all things charismatic! But there were 2 positive long-range outcomes: (1) I became plagued by doubts abput my entire faith and became so obsessed with resolving them that I got my MDiv from Princeton and my doctorate in NT and Judaism form Harvard. [John Piper was one of my fellow seminarians.] (2) I eventually did experience authentic gifts of the Spirit (speaking in tongues, prophecy, word of knowledge) and treasured those moments because I experienced them in the midst of so much counterfeit spirituality.

WOW Joseph Smith was a true prophet. Ask any Mormon with a burning bosom.

Personally, I would have dropped kicked him to see who fell down.

 

[TheLearner]

read to here

 

[preacher4truth]

From my lifelong experience of manifestations of the Spirit in church I've concluded that 95% of these are "of the flesh." Satan likes to counterfeit what is most helpful and transformative in the work of the Spirit, but the 5% that is real makes it worthwhile to endure and discern your way through what is counterfeit. As I've noted, my experience of speaking in tongues as a 16-year-old several decades ago is by far the most treasured day of my life, and I still regularly draw spiritual nourishment from the very memory of that day. My experiences of the word of knowledge are also among the highlights of my life.

So, 95% of everyone else's experiences are of the devil, but yours, on the other hand, are purely from God.

 

[MadHermit]

So, 95% of everyone else's experiences are of the devil, but yours, on the other hand, are purely from God.

You should be careful about ridiculing what you don't understand and should repent for putting words in people's ,mouths. I never said the 95% were "of the devil." Most of those tongues speakers were utterly sincere and devoted to promoting the Gospel. Only shallow minds dismiss those they disagree with as automatically "of the devil," to use your glib phrase. Since I became a teen, I longed to hear a word from the Risen Lord through an interpretation of tongues or a word of prophecy. When I'd hear such messages in church I had an automatically vehement reaction: either I'd freeze as if confronted by a cobra or I'd be deeply moved to tears of joy. Most of the time my reaction was negative, though, and I now realize that the Holy Spirit had given me the gift of discernment. I eventually realized that when I myself occasionally prayed in tongues, much of that was also "of the flesh," but not demonic because I was worshiping the Lord with all my heart. Then at age 16, I had what is by far the happiest and most important spiritual moment of my life. I describe that outpouring of the gift in tongues in my thread on this gift. I have absolutely no doubt that if you or any other readers on this site had the same experience, it would be by far the high point in your life.

 

[preacher4truth]

You should be careful about ridiculing what you don't understand and should repent for putting words in people's ,mouths I never said the 95% were "of the devil."

Oh stop it with your rebuking and telling all others they're wrong and you're in the right. I stated what you in essence claimed. You left the balance of 5% outside in Satans realm after you claimed it "of the flesh" and then right after attributed it to Satan.

You went there.

Here's what you said: "Satan likes to counterfeit what is most helpful and transformative in the work of the Spirit, but the 5% that is real makes it worthwhile to endure and discern your way through what is counterfeit."

Of course you included yourself in the 5%, all others in the Satan and of the flesh crowd, but not you.

I have absolutely no doubt that if you or any other readers on this site had the same experience, it would be by far the high point in your life.

I don't want your experience. I want Christ, and conversion via the Gospel of grace is the best by far.

No one needs your experience, you think your personal experience transcends the word in being the highest point of one's life, which is foolishness.

It is not by far the high point in anyone's life, not even yours. Your entire experience is to point to you, to exalt you, to talk of you. The Holy Spirit does not do this, he glorifies Christ, not experience, as you do, not yourself as you do. Christ. You've yet to do so. You talk about you, and how you are in the 5%. You, you, you. Note John 16:14 and take heed, none of this is about you and your little alleged experience that others need to have.

Even the apostle Peter rebukes you, and shows how the WORD OF GOD supersedes all experiences, something you exalt as the most important by far, which Peter clearly rejects:

"For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,” 18we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain. 19And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, 20knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. 21For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

 

[AxeElf]

Here's a fun little video of some Benny Hinn performances--and Foxy Shazam singer Eric Nally nailing the highest note ever sung by a man at the 1:54 mark...

 

[MadHermit]

Oh stop it with your rebuking and telling all others they're wrong and you're in the right. I stated what you in essence claimed. You left the balance of 5% outside in Satans realm after you claimed it "of the flesh" and then right after attributed it to Satan.

You went there.

Here's what you said: "Satan likes to counterfeit what is most helpful and transformative in the work of the Spirit, but the 5% that is real makes it worthwhile to endure and discern your way through what is counterfeit."

Of course you included yourself in the 5%, all others in the Satan and of the flesh crowd, but not you.



I don't want your experience. I want Christ, and conversion via the Gospel of grace is the best by far.

No one needs your experience, you think your personal experience transcends the word in being the highest point of one's life, which is foolishness.

It is not by far the high point in anyone's life, not even yours. Your entire experience is to point to you, to exalt you, to talk of you. The Holy Spirit does not do this, he glorifies Christ, not experience, as you do, not yourself as you do. Christ. You've yet to do so. You talk about you, and how you are in the 5%. You, you, you. Note John 16:14 and take heed, none of this is about you and your little alleged experience that others need to have.

Even the apostle Peter rebukes you, and shows how the WORD OF GOD supersedes all experiences, something you exalt as the most important by far, which Peter clearly rejects:

"For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,” 18we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain. 19And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, 20knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. 21For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."