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Bud, on repeat again. God bless you, but in the gerbil tread mill, I cannot see you getting very far.
Aim for perfection.
This obviously does not chime with you heart. We are exalted to not harden our hearts as Israel did
in the desert who were then rejected.
So, as the Holy Spirit says: "Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, during the time of testing in the desert,
where your fathers tested and tried me and for forty years saw what I did.
That is why I was angry with that generation, and I said, 'Their hearts are always going astray, and they have not known my ways.'
So I declared on oath in my anger, 'They shall never enter my rest.'
Heb 3:7-12
Aim for perfection.
This obviously does not chime with you heart. We are exalted to not harden our hearts as Israel did
in the desert who were then rejected.
So, as the Holy Spirit says: "Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, during the time of testing in the desert,
where your fathers tested and tried me and for forty years saw what I did.
That is why I was angry with that generation, and I said, 'Their hearts are always going astray, and they have not known my ways.'
So I declared on oath in my anger, 'They shall never enter my rest.'
Heb 3:7-12
I said which it is. In the official documents the catechisms etc. its only catholics are saved.
But if you listen to the current Pope and the current catholic church, everyone is already saved. I heard someone ask the Pope about his father who died an atheist and if hes in heaven. The Pope said YUP, God is "proud" of that man because while being an atheist he got his family baptized still!
I saw that dolt smiling with some idolater hindu priest holding a golden elephant statue in a church, cross in the background! Ecumenicalism in full swing!
I wish they would stop calling themselves Christians. Alternatively: If anyone has any other names we could go by, im listening! Dont wanna identify with that ecumenical mess!
But if you listen to the current Pope and the current catholic church, everyone is already saved. I heard someone ask the Pope about his father who died an atheist and if hes in heaven. The Pope said YUP, God is "proud" of that man because while being an atheist he got his family baptized still!
I saw that dolt smiling with some idolater hindu priest holding a golden elephant statue in a church, cross in the background! Ecumenicalism in full swing!
I wish they would stop calling themselves Christians. Alternatively: If anyone has any other names we could go by, im listening! Dont wanna identify with that ecumenical mess!
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I know.....I actually went to a second funeral in Australia about 6 weeks ago and a good friend of mine had his sister do a triple gainer off of a 900 foot cliff in the Blue Mountains to commit suicide........they also are Catholic and they HAD the most worldly funeral and did not allow the priest to speak because he was going to say it is too late for her and she is in hell..........like a fish...they flip flop from one extreme to another.....
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Based on love = works I'm inclined to agree with you. Others will never. I then to disagree because to me works are labor to me and to me love is not a labor. It came upon me with the Holy Spirit and to me it became natural putting love into practice often requires work but it's effort is a reward in and of itself. Because through the gifts I have received I now love those I used to hate. If I say being kind brings me joy does that make me selfish? I don't care. The Lord has blessed me and not to keep for myself but to share with others. I do it willingly and it dosn't seem like work to me.
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If you were a serious person I'd actually discuss this with you.
I knew you'd go to 1129....
Have you ever tried to teach from the CCC?
I'll bet no.
I have. I know its downfalls...
If a catholic dies without being baptized...does he go to hell ? (an adult convert)
If someone gets a divorce, are they ex-communicated?
Why should communion be received as much as possible?
Is it necessary to confess venial sins?
Also, I'm not here to defend the catholic church and will not be put in that position.
I knew you'd go to 1129....
Have you ever tried to teach from the CCC?
I'll bet no.
I have. I know its downfalls...
If a catholic dies without being baptized...does he go to hell ? (an adult convert)
If someone gets a divorce, are they ex-communicated?
Why should communion be received as much as possible?
Is it necessary to confess venial sins?
Also, I'm not here to defend the catholic church and will not be put in that position.
Also, no salvation unless one bends the knee to the Pope.
In 1302 Pope Boniface said this in a letter to the Catholic Church: "Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."
Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam (Rome: 1302).
Chew on that too, Fran.
In 1302 Pope Boniface said this in a letter to the Catholic Church: "Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."
Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam (Rome: 1302).
Chew on that too, Fran.
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Amen to that.
I've often stated here that works should not be a problem for us.
Why such a big fight over this?
I hear some say that FAITH is a work!
It's becoming ridiculous.
We need to be kind and loving toward everyone...this is what Jesus taught.
And it should give us joy since we're doing what our Savior wants us to do and
He was the best psychologist of all and knows that if we give love out,,,we get love back.
I think Lennon even wrote a song about this....
Some call it Karma...
Whatever we want to call it, it's a natural law of God.
Jesus said:
Mathew 11:30
"For My yoke is easy and my BURDEN IS LIGHT".
i also like this verse:
1 Corinthians 15:58
So then, my dear friends, stand firm and steady. Keep busy always in your work for the Lord, since you know that nothing you do in the Lord’s service is ever useless.
I've often stated here that works should not be a problem for us.
Why such a big fight over this?
I hear some say that FAITH is a work!
It's becoming ridiculous.
We need to be kind and loving toward everyone...this is what Jesus taught.
And it should give us joy since we're doing what our Savior wants us to do and
He was the best psychologist of all and knows that if we give love out,,,we get love back.
I think Lennon even wrote a song about this....
Some call it Karma...
Whatever we want to call it, it's a natural law of God.
Jesus said:
Mathew 11:30
"For My yoke is easy and my BURDEN IS LIGHT".
i also like this verse:
1 Corinthians 15:58
So then, my dear friends, stand firm and steady. Keep busy always in your work for the Lord, since you know that nothing you do in the Lord’s service is ever useless.